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When did the GOP Become Diepicable?

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Full disclosure, I voted for W in 2000, hated Al Gore, rooted against Hillary in the NY state US Senate race, wished Ted Kennedy would just die, hoped Tom Daschle would get ousted, thought Rush made more sense than Maxine Waters and 100% supported the Iraq War until the moment the statue fell. And, then...then the cold hard reality hit me. The GOP were scum. They milked that war for profit, turned a blind eye to the sodomizing of POW (if not even encouraged it), lied endlessly--basically pissing on our heads and telling us it was raining gold--and eventually ****ed up everything from the Iraq occupation to the American economy.

But, were they truly despicable back then though? Nah. Not yet. The GOP didn't cross that line until later. I'd say the party became puke-worthy during the election of 2008. And, the lead puke was named Sarah. The big haired bimbo was the harbinger of the Orange Buffoon. She was the mascot for Deplorables before anyone even thought to call them deplorable.

So, whenever was that exact night, during the fall of 2008, when Palin made her first nationally televised speech...that was the moment when the GOP became despicable. Can I get an Amen?
 
calamity said:
Full disclosure, I voted for W in 2000, hated Al Gore, rooted against Hillary in the NY state US Senate race, wished Ted Kennedy would just die, hoped Tom Daschle would get ousted, thought Rush made more sense than Maxine Waters and 100% supported the Iraq War until the moment the statue fell. And, then...then the cold hard reality hit me. The GOP were scum. They milked that war for profit, turned a blind eye to the sodomizing of POW (if not even encouraged it), lied endlessly--basically pissing on our heads and telling us it was raining gold--and eventually ****ed up everything from the Iraq occupation to the American economy.

But, were they truly despicable back then though? Nah. Not yet.
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Neocon warmongering and torture and bombing of civilians isn't despicable? Umm.

The GOP didn't cross that line until later. I'd say the party became puke-worthy during the election of 2008. And, the lead puke was named Sarah. The big haired bimbo was the harbinger of the Orange Buffoon. She was the mascot for Deplorables before anyone even thought to call them deplorable.

So, whenever was that exact night, during the fall of 2008, when Palin made her first nationally televised speech...that was the moment when the GOP became despicable. Can I get an Amen?
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What irks you more is a personality? Not warmongering and killing of innocents?
 
Wow, you've gone in the Way-Back Time Machine for this one!:lamo
 
calamity said:
Full disclosure, I voted for W in 2000, hated Al Gore, rooted against Hillary in the NY state US Senate race, wished Ted Kennedy would just die, hoped Tom Daschle would get ousted, thought Rush made more sense than Maxine Waters and 100% supported the Iraq War until the moment the statue fell. And, then...then the cold hard reality hit me. The GOP were scum. They milked that war for profit, turned a blind eye to the sodomizing of POW (if not even encouraged it), lied endlessly--basically pissing on our heads and telling us it was raining gold--and eventually ****ed up everything from the Iraq occupation to the American economy.

But, were they truly despicable back then though? Nah. Not yet. The GOP didn't cross that line until later. I'd say the party became puke-worthy during the election of 2008. And, the lead puke was named Sarah. The big haired bimbo was the harbinger of the Orange Buffoon. She was the mascot for Deplorables before anyone even thought to call them deplorable.

So, whenever was that exact night, during the fall of 2008, when Palin made her first nationally televised speech...that was the moment when the GOP became despicable. Can I get an Amen?
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JMO, you woke up about 30 years too late. But happy to see you finally did.
 
calamity said:
Full disclosure, I voted for W in 2000, hated Al Gore, rooted against Hillary in the NY state US Senate race, wished Ted Kennedy would just die, hoped Tom Daschle would get ousted, thought Rush made more sense than Maxine Waters and 100% supported the Iraq War until the moment the statue fell. And, then...then the cold hard reality hit me. The GOP were scum. They milked that war for profit, turned a blind eye to the sodomizing of POW (if not even encouraged it), lied endlessly--basically pissing on our heads and telling us it was raining gold--and eventually ****ed up everything from the Iraq occupation to the American economy.

But, were they truly despicable back then though? Nah. Not yet. The GOP didn't cross that line until later. I'd say the party became puke-worthy during the election of 2008. And, the lead puke was named Sarah. The big haired bimbo was the harbinger of the Orange Buffoon. She was the mascot for Deplorables before anyone even thought to call them deplorable.

So, whenever was that exact night, during the fall of 2008, when Palin made her first nationally televised speech...that was the moment when the GOP became despicable. Can I get an Amen?
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Let me guess.... You hate white people especially men, and more especially WASPS.

Can you answer that?
 
phattonez said:
Neocon warmongering and torture and bombing of civilians isn't despicable? Umm.



What irks you more is a personality? Not warmongering and killing of innocents?
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My disdain for torture was covered by the "sodomizing" statement. I guess some people need things spelled out. :roll:
 
1896 with the McKinley/Bryan election. That was when the party went lock, stock and barrel into the tank for corporate America over the people. It began right there.
 
JMR said:
JMO, you woke up about 30 years too late. But happy to see you finally did.
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Yep. The whole "Reagan myth" took me forever to see through. I'd say, that era maybe started to be seen by me through glasses which were not rose colored in roughly 2004.
 
calamity said:
My disdain for torture was covered by the "sodomizing" statement. I guess some people need things spelled out. :roll:
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To which you said:

calamity said:
But, were they truly despicable back then though? Nah. Not yet.
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I guess some people need things spelled out.
 
calamity said:
Full disclosure, I voted for W in 2000, hated Al Gore, rooted against Hillary in the NY state US Senate race, wished Ted Kennedy would just die, hoped Tom Daschle would get ousted, thought Rush made more sense than Maxine Waters and 100% supported the Iraq War until the moment the statue fell. And, then...then the cold hard reality hit me. The GOP were scum. They milked that war for profit, turned a blind eye to the sodomizing of POW (if not even encouraged it), lied endlessly--basically pissing on our heads and telling us it was raining gold--and eventually ****ed up everything from the Iraq occupation to the American economy.

But, were they truly despicable back then though? Nah. Not yet. The GOP didn't cross that line until later. I'd say the party became puke-worthy during the election of 2008. And, the lead puke was named Sarah. The big haired bimbo was the harbinger of the Orange Buffoon. She was the mascot for Deplorables before anyone even thought to call them deplorable.

So, whenever was that exact night, during the fall of 2008, when Palin made her first nationally televised speech...that was the moment when the GOP became despicable. Can I get an Amen?
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No amen from this Liberal.

As much as you should not have been "all in" in the early 2000s, you should also not be "all out" now.

This current "populism" phenomenon can be likened to a school lunchroom, on a Friday.

One day the school bully stands up and says, "hey, I'm running for class President, everybody vote for me, I got the whole thing figured out."

So a majority do just that. Some for spite, some think it's funny, and some really believe it's the right choice. And lots of them really don't like who he is running against--Miss Smarty-Pants, who acts like she's better than everyone. We'll show her!

Come Monday morning, the reality sets in. He ends up being the school principal, with no earthly idea what to do. He's never run a school before, and has no intention of trying to do so now.

So everyone starts to cry, but it's too late. And now, with the bully running the show, we're all in this together. Some of us realize that, while others, who just "can't EVER be wrong," stick to their guns.
 
haymarket said:
1896 with the McKinley/Bryan election. That was when the party went lock, stock and barrel into the tank for corporate America over the people. It began right there.
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Interesting history. I'll have to dig into that a little deeper. But, what I do recall is that was when the Teddy R populist wing got whacked upside the head by the corporatists.
 
DickBanks said:
No amen from this Liberal.

As much as you should not have been "all in" in the early 2000s, you should also not be "all out" now.

This current "populism" phenomenon can be likened to a school lunchroom, on a Friday.

One day the school bully stands up and says, "hey, I'm running for class President, everybody vote for me, I got the whole thing figured out."

So a majority do just that. Some for spite, some think it's funny, and some really believe it's the right choice. And lots of them really don't like who he is running against--Miss Smarty-Pants, who acts like she's better than everyone. We'll show her!

Come Monday morning, the reality sets in. He ends up being the school principal, with no earthly idea what to do. He's never run a school before, and has no intention of trying to do so now.

So everyone starts to cry, but it's too late.
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Great analogy. I like it.
 
phattonez said:
To which you said:



I guess some people need things spelled out.
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The whole party was not lockstep pro torture like they now are pro Deplorable. Big difference.
 
calamity said:
Interesting history. I'll have to dig into that a little deeper. But, what I do recall is that was when the Teddy R populist wing got whacked upside the head by the corporatists.
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The funny thing is that McKinley won and then five years later TR became president when he was slain by an assassin. TR then slapped the corporate wing around for a bit only to have that return even stronger with a string of Republican presidents in the Twenties.

There is a pretty good book about the McKinley murder by Scott Miller... THE PRESIDENT AND THE ASSASSIN. It came out in 2011 and does a great job at bringing all the figures to life.
 
calamity said:
The whole party was not lockstep pro torture like they now are pro Deplorable. Big difference.
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They are now? Odd, I remember a significant number of presidential candidates speaking out against torture, like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
 
To seriously answer you, I think it has to do with our laws and culture.
I think our laws are filled with holes, some just entirely absent. We've relied on culture for decades to sort of sensibly fill the gaps on a lot of things. A business that self-polices, a congress that cooperates on important issues, a president that takes on a more sober, nationally-aware image when leading the free-world.

If both sides "play by the unwritten rules", it works. But if one side can get an advantage in "betraying", and they have no moral/ethical qualms about it, they may push it for advantage.
The "rule" that typically results in this, is "ends justify the means". If it's not a law, then we can betray it...sort of thing...because ultimately winning is all that matters.

You see this expressed in capitalism too. Buy up all the patents and hike the price of a drug? Profit is what matters, so yes, it's acceptable.

It's up to our culture, our people to reign in this bad behavior, and both keep it in check, and to push for legislation that helps make it harder to ignore such rules on a whim. And in the case of a populace that is too lazy, or too brainwashed by Hannity and Fox and Friends, we don't have to rely on their bad ethics...we would have better laws to fall back on.

What you've seen is a steady eroding of those unwritten rules of decent, cooperative behavior. They just ran that special on Gary Hart, who thought the media would never report on his affairs...how far we have come in such a short time. People tell themselves as long as "their side wins", it's worth it. But I think many sane, rational adults, understand that it's a knife's edge that makes the United States a wonderful place to have been lucky enough to be born in, vs man other nations that are corrupt and have so few rules and laws and essentially a firm adherence to "reason". It's acceptance of reason and logic, and "good" application of it, that have given us science, democracy, etc.

*while in the short term it may feel like it's getting worse, it probably isn't. It has been going on for at least a few thousand years, I can cite evidence of similar discussions among the Ancient Greeks, which is both depressing and encouraging at the same time. Depressing that it's not fixed, encouraging in that it hasn't destroyed humanity...yet.
 
Acadia said:
Wow, you've gone in the Way-Back Time Machine for this one!:lamo
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Not that far. The GOP became the party of bigotry in the 1960s. It later became the party of big government in the 1980s under Reagan, who enacted more anti-free market policies than any President ever to this date: https://mises.org/library/ronald-reagan-protectionist helping to destroy the middle class by socializing the risk for big businesses, passing the cost of failure down to the taxpayers.

And right wing people claim they want less taxes. The corporate class is laughing all the way to the bank.
 
calamity said:
Why bother? You won't understand it.
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It is my understanding that Hillary defined us as deplorables

According to you now we are in fact what makes the GOP despicable. Now do you understand?

Or do I have to school you some more?

Your hatred for Palin is, well just over the top. :roll: :doh
 
phattonez said:
They are now? Odd, I remember a significant number of presidential candidates speaking out against torture, like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
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Ted Cruz doesn't mind torture. He just moves the goalposts, so anything we do isn't defined as torture. You can be against torture if you don't define your cruelty and violence as torture.

This is like saying we are liberating a nation while we slaughter the people who live there. It's just pretty dressing for a cruel action. It's Machiavellian nomenclature.
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
It is my understanding that Hillary defined us as deplorables

According to you now we are in fact what makes the GOP despicable. Now do you understand?

Or do I have to school you some more?

Your hatred for Palin is, well just over the top. :roll: :doh
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No one said you were deplorable. You just self-identified as it.
 
You hate whites. This makes you a racist. Look it up
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
It is my understanding that Hillary defined us as deplorables

According to you now we are in fact what makes the GOP despicable. Now do you understand?

Or do I have to school you some more?

Your hatred for Palin is, well just over the top. :roll: :doh
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It is the bigotry of the right that makes too many who vote for the GOP as deplorable or despicable. Clinton uttering the words was only a public recognition of what was already painfully obvious to most political observers.
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
It is my understanding that Hillary defined us as deplorables
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~"This is a gross generalization, but roughly half of Trump supporters are in a basket of deplorables: sexists, racists, homophobes and such".


Blkdirt Farmer said:
Excuse me are you deft?

Hillary defined whites as deplorables. Got it yet, or do we have to go over it once again?
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Haha, no. See above.


Blkdirt Farmer said:
You hate whites. This makes you a racist. Look it up
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Do you often call people racists?
 
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