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When did the GOP Become Diepicable?

Excuse me are you deft?

Hillary defined whites as deplorables. Got it yet, or do we have to go over it once again?

She defined roughly half as deplorable, then a lot of you self described as deplorable. Not her fault. I do think now she was a little low with the half figure at this point. It make me sad even some of my extended family self identify as proud deplorables and I know they aren't. They are too stupid to understand all this so that explains a lot.
 
The funny thing is that McKinley won and then five years later TR became president when he was slain by an assassin. TR then slapped the corporate wing around for a bit only to have that return even stronger with a string of Republican presidents in the Twenties.

There is a pretty good book about the McKinley murder by Scott Miller... THE PRESIDENT AND THE ASSASSIN. It came out in 2011 and does a great job at bringing all the figures to life.

Thanks. I'll see if I can round up a copy. I blast through books by the dozen these days.

I love this line in the review:

Was America a booming nation whose rapidly growing industries were creating wealth on an unprecedented scale? Or was it a place of misery for working people who labored in horrific conditions that would never voluntarily be improved by the capitalist class and the politicians who served it?

'The President and the Assassin' by Scott Miller: Book review - latimes
Truer words than that last sentence were/are rarely written.
 
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Excuse me are you deft?

Hillary defined whites as deplorables. Got it yet, or do we have to go over it once again?

False.

She stated half of Trump's supporters are Deplorables....and, she way underestimated. I put that figure up around 90%.
 
They are now? Odd, I remember a significant number of presidential candidates speaking out against torture, like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
Rand Paul is probably still against "enhanced interrogation." Cruz? Not so much.

McCain probably still is, but the Deplorables hate him.
 
Excuse me are you deft?

Hillary defined whites as deplorables. Got it yet, or do we have to go over it once again?

She said half were in a basket of deplorables and the other half were in the disillusioned and desperate for change basket.

You put yourself in the deplorable basket.
 
Full disclosure, I voted for W in 2000, hated Al Gore, rooted against Hillary in the NY state US Senate race, wished Ted Kennedy would just die, hoped Tom Daschle would get ousted, thought Rush made more sense than Maxine Waters and 100% supported the Iraq War until the moment the statue fell. And, then...then the cold hard reality hit me. The GOP were scum. They milked that war for profit, turned a blind eye to the sodomizing of POW (if not even encouraged it), lied endlessly--basically pissing on our heads and telling us it was raining gold--and eventually ****ed up everything from the Iraq occupation to the American economy.

But, were they truly despicable back then though? Nah. Not yet. The GOP didn't cross that line until later. I'd say the party became puke-worthy during the election of 2008. And, the lead puke was named Sarah. The big haired bimbo was the harbinger of the Orange Buffoon. She was the mascot for Deplorables before anyone even thought to call them deplorable.

So, whenever was that exact night, during the fall of 2008, when Palin made her first nationally televised speech...that was the moment when the GOP became despicable. Can I get an Amen?

Palin in my book was a spaced out wacko. Why McCain picked her is beyond anyone's ability to fathom. But I wouldn't say the Republican Party became despicable in 2008. McCain, Romney, Thompson, Giuliani, others who went after the nomination were pretty main stream. At least by Republican standards. Even in 2012, you had the Republican mainstream vying for the nomination.

Now the GOP has had a history of having factions within it that weren't mainstream, out there on the fringe. Some even won nominations to the senate. All of them lost in the general though. Now what I think is despicable is the nomination of Trump as the GOP standard bearer. That was accomplished with approximately 35% of Republicans voting for him in a very crowded field. It really amazed me that the Republican Party would turn to an eight time party switcher who just became a Republican in 2012 with a long history of supporting liberal Democrats. Now on the other hand I also think it was despicable that the Democratic Party nominated Hillary. I suppose that means I think both major parties are despicable. I probably do come to think about. When the good of a political party over rides the good for the nation, yes, that qualifies as despicable.

Right now the GOP is having an identity crisis. I would say right now about half of the Republican Party members or those who identify themselves as Republicans have climbed aboard the Trump train. Another quarter support him as he is better than any democrat, especially a democrat named Hillary Clinton. This quarter is still in the train station, they haven't climbed aboard the Trump Train, but they aren't leaving the station and abandoning Trump either. Of the remaining 25% you do have the never Trumpers, those who oppose Trump, probably half of that remaining 25% with the other half willing to dethrone Trump if another Republican replaces him.

This isn't seen in Washington as those in congress, the house and the senate know Trump is president and carries the R label. Even if they oppose Trump, which I think many do. They are afraid to cross him, to come out in opposition to him publicly. To do so would probably lose the portion of the Republican voters who are avid Trumpers and thus their seat in congress, Washington.

I do think this midterm may bring about a realignment within the GOP. Help solve their identify crisis. It looks if the trends continue we will have a Democratic wave sweeping into Washington in November. For the Republican Party, the key to solving their identity crisis is which GOP congressmen and senators lose. Will it be those who are avid supporters of Trump or those who aren't. Does the GOP revert back to the party of Reagan, Bush, even McCain and Romney, the lifelong Republicans and their proper conservative ideals or does it turn into the populist, nationalist, nativist party of the eight time party switcher who is a Republican in name only because he carries that party's label..

Regardless of what happens, it will be most interesting.
 
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I just want to say that I don’t think Sarah Palin is anywhere near as bad as Trump. As dumb as Trump but not as crooked and mean.


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Neocon warmongering and torture and bombing of civilians isn't despicable? Umm.



What irks you more is a personality? Not warmongering and killing of innocents?

Saddam Hussein brutally invaded his neighbors for decades. Your "Saddam was a victim" argument falls flat.
 
Saddam Hussein brutally invaded his neighbors for decades. Your "Saddam was a victim" argument falls flat.

Saddam wasn't our problem.
 
Saddam wasn't our problem.

Other than the time when he brutally attacked his neighbors.....and threatened US allies.....and fired missiles at US allies.....oh, and the time when he tried to assasinate the president of the United States.
 
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