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Did Obama admin issue a “stand down” order on Russian meddling?

Perotista said:
Very well could have been longer, much longer. Time flies. These things all melt together.
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They surely do. Trying to construct a time line for all the associated events in this mess is daunting.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Need some of that good old forethought in planning to lock down with better precision your framing an OP. Good lesson this, but sorry, once a mistake is made its like a poorly drafted law, loopholes available... are legal.
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5 posts, three pages and you have yet to address the topic. And you speak of "framing an OP". The OP is fine, tis you that ignores the topic.
 
hanger4 said:
5 posts, three pages and you have yet to address the topic. And you speak of "framing an OP". The OP is fine, tis you that ignores the topic.
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First off, if you hadnt side tracked me with the nanny state policing of an American exercizing his god given right of free speech, and then continued over and over when I pretty thoroughly explained in rather easily understandable English...

And yet you still persist...i can accurately counter that youve had the equivalent number of responding posts not addressing the topic... but instead you are trying to be my what? Mother? Sorry, she has long since passed... as have your very tiny contributions on your own topic.

If you had desired a smart conservative post you might, you know, have broached the topic with me yourself instead of the endless complaining, pushing me away from the topic with your unwarranted and unwanted nannying...

Maybe something like...what might slenderman actually have been thinking with this limp wristed strategy?? Was he afraid of Putin, outclassed? Was he just not that big on protecting America, was this the part that he hoped to change, taking us from strong worldwide leadership to cowardly? What were the people around him advising? Etc...

I really shouldnt have to school a fellow conservative to stop with all the waaaah waaah whining, as well as the attempt at remote parenting, that fell flat, too.

Live and learn, hopefully. And yeah, the framing and later defense of that faulty framing was, more than a waste, a serious flub up.

Better luck next time? Hardly. Nope, it should be framed more precisely as....Better skills next time...;):peace:2wave:
 
My assumption is that when in doubt, republicans blame Obama. If that doesn't work, blame Hillary.
 
Nickyjo said:
My assumption is that when in doubt, republicans blame Obama. If that doesn't work, blame Hillary.
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Oh that works alright...know why? Cause they are involved and guilty most the time they are accused ( cant remember a time either was falsely accused, can you? ) enough as well as being all over the map, fudging in and with so many areas
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
First off, if you hadnt side tracked me with the nanny state policing of an American exercizing his god given right of free speech, and then continued over and over when I pretty thoroughly explained in rather easily understandable English...

And yet you still persist...i can accurately counter that youve had the equivalent number of responding posts not addressing the topic... but instead you are trying to be my what? Mother? Sorry, she has long since passed... as have your very tiny contributions on your own topic.

If you had desired a smart conservative post you might, you know, have broached the topic with me yourself instead of the endless complaining, pushing me away from the topic with your unwarranted and unwanted nannying...

Maybe something like...what might slenderman actually have been thinking with this limp wristed strategy?? Was he afraid of Putin, outclassed? Was he just not that big on protecting America, was this the part that he hoped to change, taking us from strong worldwide leadership to cowardly? What were the people around him advising? Etc...

I really shouldnt have to school a fellow conservative to stop with all the waaaah waaah whining, as well as the attempt at remote parenting, that fell flat, too.

Live and learn, hopefully. And yeah, the framing and later defense of that faulty framing was, more than a waste, a serious flub up.

Better luck next time? Hardly. Nope, it should be framed more precisely as....Better skills next time...;):peace:2wave:
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Side tracked you ?? what a joke, your first post was off topic and have yet to post to the topic. Stop being an arse.
 
Nickyjo said:
My assumption is that when in doubt, republicans blame Obama. If that doesn't work, blame Hillary.
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Michael Isikoff and David Corn are far from Republican. They are quite progressive.
 
Obama did know about it.

Let's imagine if it was made public before the election that the Russians were trying to get Trump elected.

Obama would be smeared by trumpets for trying to interfere in the election. Other than sanctions which were applied no other real action was possible.

What is funny. Now Trumpets are blaming Obama for the election of Trump
 
hanger4 said:
Michael Isikoff and David Corn seem to think so.

*The question of how forcefully to respond would soon divide the White House staff, pitting the National Security Council’s top analysts for Russia and cyber issues against senior policymakers within the administration. It was a debate that would culminate that summer with a dramatic directive from Obama’s national security adviser to the NSC staffers developing aggressive proposals to strike back against the Russians: “Stand down.”*

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hotair...admin-issue-stand-order-russian-meddling/amp/

Much much more at the link.
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Yes and no.

I guess it depends on how you define stand down

Obama approved of some measures, while holding off on others.

IMO, a stand down order means do nothing. Since he did not do nothing, I do not consider it a stand down order.
 
Perotista said:
Very well could have been longer, much longer. Time flies. These things all melt together.
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No, not really much longer. It was not until 2016, or later, the we learned of the most egregious actions of the Russians, such as the hacking into state electoral databases and the DNC, etc, the mass use of fake accounts on Facebook and Twitter, etc
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Obama did know about it.

Let's imagine if it was made public before the election that the Russians were trying to get Trump elected.

Obama would be smeared by trumpets for trying to interfere in the election. Other than sanctions which were applied no other real action was possible.

What is funny. Now Trumpets are blaming Obama for the election of Trump
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And blaming Obama for not doing the things Trump is not doing either
 
sangha said:
Yes and no.

I guess it depends on how you define stand down

Obama approved of some measures, while holding off on others.

IMO, a stand down order means do nothing. Since he did not do nothing, I do not consider it a stand down order.
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No cyber options were taken just Obama telling Putin to stop which obviously didn't happen. The State Dept even started a program to counter the disinformation RT amd other Ruskies were disseminating, that too was stopped. The stand down order stands.
 
apdst said:
It looks more worser for the Liberals every day.
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No, it doesn't. If Obama mentioned anything about this, you guys would throw a fit about him trying to meddle in the election. Of course, you are OK with Comey doing such as it helped Trump. And you have no problem with Russia medddling because it helped get Trump elected.

Republicans and the right would have thrown a hissy fit like you did for 8 years of Obama with all their bull**** if he mentioned the suspicion of Russia meddling prior tot he extensive evidence gathering we have now

Obama probably didn't want the sight of impropriety when he probably had more faith in America to not be complete forking idiots and elect Trump as well. Typical no responsibility conservatives, buy the nonsense propaganda and vote for a scum like Trump, then blame democrats and Obama for it. LOL

Cardinal said:
Do you have a non-crap source to base your question on?
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I know right, Hotair, Oh my, are you kidding me?
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Obama did know about it.

Let's imagine if it was made public before the election that the Russians were trying to get Trump elected.

Obama would be smeared by trumpets for trying to interfere in the election. Other than sanctions which were applied no other real action was possible.

What is funny. Now Trumpets are blaming Obama for the election of Trump
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*What is funny. Now Trumpets are blaming Obama for the election of Trump*

Michael Isikoff and David Corn are "Trumpets" ?? Do tell ??
 
Sampson Simpson said:
No, it doesn't. If Obama mentioned anything about this, you guys would throw a fit about him trying to meddle in the election. Of course, you are OK with Comey doing such as it helped Trump. And you have no problem with Russia medddling because it helped get Trump elected.

Republicans and the right would have thrown a hissy fit like you did for 8 years of Obama with all their bull**** if he mentioned the suspicion of Russia meddling prior tot he extensive evidence gathering we have now

Obama probably didn't want the sight of impropriety when he probably had more faith in America to not be complete forking idiots and elect Trump as well. Typical no responsibility conservatives, buy the nonsense propaganda and vote for a scum like Trump, then blame democrats and Obama for it. LOL



I know right, Hotair, Oh my, are you kidding me?
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There is a MotherJones link about the same Isikoff and Corn story, would like me to post it aslo and embarrass you or would you rather google it yourself ??
 
sangha said:
No, not really much longer. It was not until 2016, or later, the we learned of the most egregious actions of the Russians, such as the hacking into state electoral databases and the DNC, etc, the mass use of fake accounts on Facebook and Twitter, etc
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I was just going by the article in the OP. August of 2016 was what I had heard and seen reported. But the article goes back further. So the question becomes do you or I believe Corn and Isikoff? Is it relevant to what is going on today? Why wasn't something done then? I think I know, but thinking you know and knowing for real is two different things.
 
hanger4 said:
There is a MotherJones link about the same Isikoff and Corn story, would like me to post it aslo and embarrass you or would you rather google it yourself ??
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The only person embarrassing themselves is you, who can't seem to make more than a one or two line off topic response, and is doing nothing but deflecting. You are continually ignoring people's arguments, doing nothing to refute them, and offering none of your own. Looks like yet another conservative who's sole mission appears to be to troll and post dumb deflections, not actually make any arguments
 
hanger4 said:
*What is funny. Now Trumpets are blaming Obama for the election of Trump*

Michael Isikoff and David Corn are "Trumpets" ?? Do tell ??
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This thread, the posters in this thread blaming Obama for not doing more to prevent Russian meddling to elect Donald Trump
 
hanger4 said:
Isikoff and Corn not left enough fer ya ??
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Gaugingcatenate said:
You mean they dont produce the quantity and quality of fake news you are generally accustomed to? Like, for instance the Washington Post, NYT, CNN, ABC, NEWSWEEK, to name just a few of the award winners?

Bawwwwwwaahaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....ah...aha.... stop it, you re killing us.


https://www.gop.com/the-highly-anticipated-2017-fake-news-awards/
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Those our both our original replies to "your" thread, and even to the same poster, early on ( your reply post #8, my #16 ). Similar in thrust, mine being just a bit more thorough...but it begs the question, are you implying you were off topic...or is it my post only that was off topic? :confused::roll:

Look in the mirror, hell, look in " your " own thread, perhaps take the neccesary time to assure you have even a clue about what you are talking about. And if you want to try to be my nanny maybe do us a favor, consider changing your lean to lib progressive, eh? Conservatives posts, let me remind, arent generally lazy nor do they whine without cause, yano?

Oh, and dont forget to put more thought/effort into more preciesly framing your thread titles, you see where such slipshod draftmanship gets you. :lamo:lamo:lamo

PS why didnt you address my specific questions about, you know "Obama" not his "administration" nor the "first lady". in my last post, trying to derail the thread are we?
 
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Perotista said:
It's common knowledge the Obama administration knew about the Russian meddling by August of 2016 and choose to keep it secret, from the American public. If Corn and Isikoff are correct, the Obama administration knew about this at least a year earlier if not two.

Corn and Isikoff are of the far left, perhaps extreme left, strange they would be the one's reporting on this. Both have been Obama apologist for his entire presidency. This does make one stop and think. Perhaps Trump was nothing more than the beneficiary of the Obama's stand down order. I suppose we ought to wait and see how this plays out before jumping to conclusions.
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Lets say Obama went public with the information

How would that have been received by the general public.

A significant number would believe it was a scam designed to get Hillary elected. The confidence in the electoral system would drop. If however Hillary was elected as was expected, the issue would have been seen as minor and likely not made public to a large degree

Options against Russia were limited. War was not an option cyber or otherwise. Shutting down advertising of a political nature during a campaign would again be seen as meddling in the election by a sitting president (a rather bad choice).

Overall in a country with free speech, a free press and open elections the choices left open were and are limited. In more oppressive countries the ability for countries to manipulate elections is still quite high, and counters generally include shutting down of instant messenger systems, blocking websites and arresting people. Arresting Russians in Russia would be rather hard
 
Sampson Simpson said:
The only person embarrassing themselves is you, who can't seem to make more than a one or two line off topic response, and is doing nothing but deflecting. You are continually ignoring people's arguments, doing nothing to refute them, and offering none of your own. Looks like yet another conservative who's sole mission appears to be to troll and post dumb deflections, not actually make any arguments
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Your argument was based on an appeal to hypocrisy (Tu quoque) and ad-hom, not an argument at all. Maybe you should try debunking Isikoff's and Corn's words.
 
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