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California has worst 'quality of life' in US, study says

Only the right wing is that clueless and that Causeless. We don't care if we lose, low wage jobs.

With that logic, you certainly do come off as a liberal. What you do not seem to want to grasp is that a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage would not just kill low wage jobs. An enormous number of high wage jobs would also be lost to automation.
 
With that logic, you certainly do come off as a liberal. What you do not seem to want to grasp is that a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage would not just kill low wage jobs. An enormous number of high wage jobs would also be lost to automation.

lol. no, they wouldn't. automation requires higher paid labor.
 
You are assuming that they did because it fits your political agenda. I have no agenda other than the truth.

If I am understanding correctly since there is no proof that they didn't vote that means they did because their is circumstantial evidence that they might have.

Finding and knowing truth of all kinds, regardless of where the chips fall, is an honorable principle; conversely, avoiding the discovery of truth and assuming the posture of the ostrich (head in hole) is a sadly all too common and shameful fear of using one's brain.

To that end, there is statistical evidence of voting by non-citizens (which could also include those legally residing in the US but who do not have citizenship). Jesse Richman, Gulshan Chattha, and David Earnest published their study in the journal Electoral Studies and the authors found that a small percentage of noncitizens do report having voted — roughly 6 percent in 2008 — and they concluded that their votes might be enough to affect very close elections, such as the Minnesota Senate race between Al Franken and Norm Coleman.

It is difficult to estimate how many non-citizens of voting age that there are in California. California's illegal population (between 2.5 and 3 million) suggest (proportionally) that there is another 3.6 million legal non-citizens (background data available upon request). As 78 percent of all non-citizen immigrants were over the age of 15, the potential pool non-citizen voters is (6.6 x .78) is 5,150,000.

Hence, in a Presidential election year upto 6 percent of that total number (309,000 votes) could be by non-citizens, 80 percent of whom vote democratic.

Unfortunately, most social scientists are fiercely opposed to further research and determined to close inquiries down before they begin. In other words, they don't want to know where the chips might fall -
 
Poor by whose standards

By almost everyone's standards. Or are you really going to argue that it is better to be a state where the median income is lower than other states?
 
No other state comes close to California in terms of total welfare spending

California, with its suffocating cost of living and huge population, is home to an inordinate number of households receiving public assistance. In fact, with $103 billion going toward welfare, the Golden State’s spending on the financially needy is more than the next two on the list combined.

New York, at number two, paid out $61.4 billion in 2015, while Texas, in the third spot, spent $35.4 billion, according to U.S. Census Bureau data.

Cost-estimating website HowMuch.net used the numbers to create this map. Each bubble represents a state, and the size of the bubble corresponds to the size of the welfare expenditure. Blue means the state spends relatively little, while pink and red indicate a higher-than-average amount.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/n...-when-it-comes-to-welfare-spending-2017-11-28

Of course the highest pop. state has the most welfare spending.

In per capita terms, the District of Columbia had the highest level of state and local public welfare spending at $5,316 followed by state and local governments in New York ($3,110), Vermont ($2,765), New Mexico ($2,751), and Massachusetts ($2,739).3 State and local governments in Utah spent the least on public welfare at $1,135 per person, followed by Georgia ($1,177), South Dakota ($1,224), and Texas ($1,290).


https://www.urban.org/policy-center...cal-backgrounders/public-welfare-expenditures
 
Of course the highest pop. state has the most welfare spending.

In per capita terms, the District of Columbia had the highest level of state and local public welfare spending at $5,316 followed by state and local governments in New York ($3,110), Vermont ($2,765), New Mexico ($2,751), and Massachusetts ($2,739).3 State and local governments in Utah spent the least on public welfare at $1,135 per person, followed by Georgia ($1,177), South Dakota ($1,224), and Texas ($1,290).


https://www.urban.org/policy-center...cal-backgrounders/public-welfare-expenditures

No where near proportionate to the population....

34%

Of the nation’s welfare recipients live in California but only …

12%

… of the U.S. population resides here.


Is California the welfare capital? - The San Diego Union-Tribune
 
By almost everyone's standards. Or are you really going to argue that it is better to be a state where the median income is lower than other states?

So cost of living doesn't resonate with you?? All that money spent in California and to have it rank last is a true tribute to liberalism.
 
So cost of living doesn't resonate with you??

Higher cost of living means higher demand. California invests into its infrastructure and institutions and that is the result. The problem they have, like pretty much the rest of the world, is that they tax and untax the wrong things. If they were truly progressive, California would untax productive activity and tax site speculation and create a citizens dividend from that. The result would be far less poverty/welfare.
 
Higher cost of living means higher demand. California invests into its infrastructure and institutions and that is the result. The problem they have, like pretty much the rest of the world, is that they tax and untax the wrong things. If they were truly progressive, California would untax productive activity and tax site speculation and create a citizens dividend from that. The result would be far less poverty/welfare.

California leads the nation in poverty, homelessness, and is among the highest cost of living in the nation with among the highest taxes. That places them also at the bottom of the quality of life. Only a true leftist would try to defend the indefensible.
 
You are assuming that they did because it fits your political agenda. I have no agenda other than the truth.

If I am understanding correctly since there is no proof that they didn't vote that means they did because their is circumstantial evidence that they might have.

Applying that exact same logic one could say that there is no proof that Trump didn't collude with Russia to undermine the United States election but there is certainly the same level of circumstantial evidence that he did.

Also applying that same logic one could say that there is no proof that Trump didn't rape and sexually assault women but there is certainly the same level of circumstantial evidence that he did.

If the bar is set to circumstantial evidence and the lack of proof that something didn't happen, then there are a whole lot of things one could assume. Which is why nothing really works that way. If it worked the way you are proposing then Trump would be in prison.

You remind of religious people knocking at my door wanting to know if I want to know the "truth".
 
California leads the nation in poverty, homelessness, and is among the highest cost of living in the nation with among the highest taxes. That places them also at the bottom of the quality of life. Only a true leftist would try to defend the indefensible.

And is home to the most one percenters.
 
Higher cost of living means higher demand. California invests into its infrastructure and institutions and that is the result. The problem they have, like pretty much the rest of the world, is that they tax and untax the wrong things. If they were truly progressive, California would untax productive activity and tax site speculation and create a citizens dividend from that. The result would be far less poverty/welfare.

1. Bullet Train. A train to nowhere that will not exceed the speed of the average Amtrak... A 400 mile route that 2016 business plan is supposed to cost $64 billion... Recently it was estimated will cost $10.6 billion (up from 2.8 billion) for 119 miles of bullet train track in the Central Valley... The cheapest portion to build IIRC.

2. I agree they tax the wrong thing. The middle class. 8% marginal kicks in at about $50,000. The "gas tax" to fix the roads which will not actually go to fixing the roads. This too hits the middle and lower class. The "bedroom" communities for San Diego, San Francisco and Los Angeles are often 30-70 miles away.
 
Spending as a percent of GDP means exactly what?

Surely this is not beyond your skill in math to figure out. You take the figure for welfare spending for a given year and divide it by the GDP for that same year. The result is a number between zero and one (assuming spending isn't greater than the GDP, which is unlikely), which is then converted to a percentage, which shows the ratio between GDP and welfare spending.

DO you understand the private sector economy?

Not completely. No one does. But I suspect I understand it better than most folks.

This is GOVT. spending NOT Private sector nor should it be.

Yes, correct.

Does California have double the population of TX?

No.

Could it be that California is a magnet for the poor and poverty because of all that spending?

People who are poor generally don't have the means to move to another state. Wasn't one of your sources somewhere back in this thread saying that people were leaving California?

Where is the incentive to the poor to get over the poverty level?

The implied argument is not based on evidence. To be sure, there are "welfare families"--people who figure out ways to make a living from government assistance, usually with some small-time criminal activity on the side. I'm sure you'll agree when I say those people should be cut off without mercy if we find them.

The majority of people who accept government assistance do so for fairly limited intervals.

Again, not the issue, they rank at the bottom now so cutting social spending doesn't make a lot of difference in the ranking.

Doesn't make any sense. As has already been pointed out to you, relative performance is only a proxy for absolute performance, which is really all that matters. Suppose for a moment that every state in the union had exactly one person below the poverty line, except California, which had two. They'd be dead last, but it'd hardly be worthwhile criticizing them.

On the other hand, they could have 50%, or even 100%, below poverty level, and that would clearly be much worse than the situation as it exists now.

Anyway, what you're arguing about isn't poverty, for the most part. Look: I make about $135K per year, my wife a little more (I'm a professor, she's an attorney). Where we currently live, that puts us in the affluent class. Were we to move to San Francisco with those same salaries, we'd maybe be able to afford a two-bedroom apartment. That is what is at issue--it's not that people cannot find jobs in California, or even that they cannot find good jobs in California. It's that so many people live there--so many with plenty of income--that the price of housing has been driven way high by demand. Aside from instituting some form of socialist economy (not welfare spending that you guys like to call Socialism--I mean real Socialism, like what Russia had in the 1970s), I'm not sure what California government can do about that. It's an effect of market economics.

Keep ignoring how much is actually spent and the actual results generated.

You're mistaking the fact that I don't agree with you for my ignoring the data...despite the fact that you also accuse me of writing too extensively on that same data.

Yes many people live well in California as the gap between the rich and the poor is among the greatest in the nation.

Sounds like you're arguing against capitalism.

Things could be worse?? That is your standard? That is why liberalism is a failure, low expectations and terrible economic results by creating dependence

Nothing I said should cause you to make this inference. You're just pulling stuff out of thin air now.
 
Surely this is not beyond your skill in math to figure out. You take the figure for welfare spending for a given year and divide it by the GDP for that same year. The result is a number between zero and one (assuming spending isn't greater than the GDP, which is unlikely), which is then converted to a percentage, which shows the ratio between GDP and welfare spending.



Not completely. No one does. But I suspect I understand it better than most folks.



Yes, correct.



No.



People who are poor generally don't have the means to move to another state. Wasn't one of your sources somewhere back in this thread saying that people were leaving California?



The implied argument is not based on evidence. To be sure, there are "welfare families"--people who figure out ways to make a living from government assistance, usually with some small-time criminal activity on the side. I'm sure you'll agree when I say those people should be cut off without mercy if we find them.

The majority of people who accept government assistance do so for fairly limited intervals.



Doesn't make any sense. As has already been pointed out to you, relative performance is only a proxy for absolute performance, which is really all that matters. Suppose for a moment that every state in the union had exactly one person below the poverty line, except California, which had two. They'd be dead last, but it'd hardly be worthwhile criticizing them.

On the other hand, they could have 50%, or even 100%, below poverty level, and that would clearly be much worse than the situation as it exists now.

Anyway, what you're arguing about isn't poverty, for the most part. Look: I make about $135K per year, my wife a little more (I'm a professor, she's an attorney). Where we currently live, that puts us in the affluent class. Were we to move to San Francisco with those same salaries, we'd maybe be able to afford a two-bedroom apartment. That is what is at issue--it's not that people cannot find jobs in California, or even that they cannot find good jobs in California. It's that so many people live there--so many with plenty of income--that the price of housing has been driven way high by demand. Aside from instituting some form of socialist economy (not welfare spending that you guys like to call Socialism--I mean real Socialism, like what Russia had in the 1970s), I'm not sure what California government can do about that. It's an effect of market economics.



You're mistaking the fact that I don't agree with you for my ignoring the data...despite the fact that you also accuse me of writing too extensively on that same data.



Sounds like you're arguing against capitalism.



Nothing I said should cause you to make this inference. You're just pulling stuff out of thin air now.

Here is reality, California does not have double the population of the next largest state in the Union and spends more than double the next state in welfare and social services yet has among the highest cost of living, the worst Business climate, and the most below the poverty level and homelessness in the nation. You can try to defend that record until hell freezes over but it is the worst in the nation and has created the worst quality of life for millions. This is liberalism, creating dependence and spending IN THE NAME OF COMPASSION.
 
Here is reality, California does not have double the population of the next largest state in the Union and spends more than double the next state in welfare and social services yet has among the highest cost of living, the worst Business climate, and the most below the poverty level and homelessness in the nation. You can try to defend that record until hell freezes over but it is the worst in the nation and has created the worst quality of life for millions. This is liberalism, creating dependence and spending IN THE NAME OF COMPASSION.

Right to work States have no better solution. Why is there Any homelessness at all, in alleged, Right to Work States?
 
Right to work States have no better solution. Why is there Any homelessness at all, in alleged, Right to Work States?

You really don't have a clue as to what is going in in your state just like you have no understanding of basic economics or even civics. How is that money tree working out for you? California ranks last in Poverty and when that new minimum wage takes affect more businesses/taxpayers will be leaving the state because they cannot afford to support the California socialism. Where does the money come from to pay these workers and those on welfare?
 
Here is reality, California does not have double the population of the next largest state in the Union and spends more than double the next state in welfare and social services yet has among the highest cost of living, the worst Business climate, and the most below the poverty level and homelessness in the nation. You can try to defend that record until hell freezes over but it is the worst in the nation and has created the worst quality of life for millions. This is liberalism, creating dependence and spending IN THE NAME OF COMPASSION.

Those are all assertions, not truth, because they ignore literally half of the truth. I'm not arguing in the name of compassion. I'm arguing in the name of reason.

It doesn't take half again the population to drive housing prices sky-high in a capitalist market--which, as has been pointed out to you on a number of occasions, is where the problem really lies.

If this were a problem with liberalism or liberal policies (well, moderate policies, as has also been pointed out to you), all the "liberal" states would have the same problem. And they don't.
 
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You really don't have a clue as to what is going in in your state just like you have no understanding of basic economics or even civics. How is that money tree working out for you? California ranks last in Poverty and when that new minimum wage takes affect more businesses/taxpayers will be leaving the state because they cannot afford to support the California socialism. Where does the money come from to pay these workers and those on welfare?

I have no clue and no Cause, as to what You are referring to:

If it were a country, California’s $2.6 trillion economy would be the sixth biggest in the world behind the United Kingdom. The state represents 14% of the U.S. economy. Home prices in the state are up 83% from the lows of 2011 and finally surpassed their pre-recession highs in 2017. California’s outlook is bright with economic and job growth both expected to be strong over the next five years. Another plus is the $110 billion in venture capital money invested in California companies over the past three years, an amount which is more than five times the total of any other state.--https://www.forbes.com/places/ca/

The right wing has even less solutions. Yet, blames the left.
 
Those are all assertions, not truth, because they ignore literally half of the truth. I'm not arguing in the name of compassion. I'm arguing in the name of reason.

No, you are arguing against logic and common sense. how can any state with such spending in the name of compassion lead the nation with the highest number below the poverty level and the highest homelessness in the nation and call that spending a success simply because the problem would be worse without that spending? These shows that throwing money at the problem isn't the answer because it doesn't change human behavior. Facts always get in the way of liberal rhetoric. Defending California by someone who doesn't even live there is relying simply on failed liberal ideology for your argument
 
I have no clue and no Cause, as to what You are referring to:



The right wing has even less solutions. Yet, blames the left.


Look, you can continual to ignore the thread topic but all that shows is your intellectual bankruptcy. having the 6th largest economy in the world has generated the worst record on homelessness and poverty showing the failure of liberalism

Here is the reality that you want to ignore, your magical $15 per hour doesn't improve the poverty as the cost of living in California is still much higher than that. For some reason you believe that when you raise wages you don't affect costs which is more liberal indoctrination. Then there is this

https://www.minimumwage.com/2016/02...MIz4fQ3vrr2QIVWrbACh1eIwHYEAAYASAAEgLLGfD_BwE

Keep buying the leftwing spin and keep losing what little credibility you have left
 
Look, you can continual to ignore the thread topic but all that shows is your intellectual bankruptcy. having the 6th largest economy in the world has generated the worst record on homelessness and poverty showing the failure of liberalism

Here is the reality that you want to ignore, your magical $15 per hour doesn't improve the poverty as the cost of living in California is still much higher than that. For some reason you believe that when you raise wages you don't affect costs which is more liberal indoctrination. Then there is this

https://www.minimumwage.com/2016/02...MIz4fQ3vrr2QIVWrbACh1eIwHYEAAYASAAEgLLGfD_BwE

Keep buying the leftwing spin and keep losing what little credibility you have left

A right wing propaganda site? How do you explain Seattle's unemployment rate with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage?

And, higher paid labor simply pays more in taxes and consumer goods.
 
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