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California has worst 'quality of life' in US, study says

danielpalos said:
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum will help that situation.
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No....actually that would merely result in more automation and less jobs. The concept of a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage is just stupid.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I do not bother to click on wikilnks links.....can be edited by the reader. However no matter. At least in Mississippi and Alabama, one can go outside and water the lawn or wash the car without fear of running afoul of the drought police.
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There's not much drought in Michigan, either. :roll:
 
ObamacareFail said:
No....actually that would merely result in more automation and less jobs. The concept of a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage is just stupid.
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Automation creates jobs....good ones, paying way more than $15 an hour.
 
Kreton said:
YOU, specifically YOU, stated how many and are yet to show that any did.
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The report posted says 800,000 just in California but probably more, How do you know they didn't? California wouldn't cooperate, why?
 
Kreton said:
YOU, specifically YOU, stated how many and are yet to show that any did.
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NO, I gave a link that showed 800,000 but the real issue is that you don't care as long as they support your ideology
 
Conservative said:
NO, I gave a link that showed 800,000 but the real issue is that you don't care as long as they support your ideology
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The study you are pushing doesn’t say what you think it says and the author of the study denounced the very story you posted, specifically to the Washington Times.

What is it about conservativism that causes this kind of loyalty and propensity for intellectual dishonesty?
 
Jetboogieman said:
The study you are pushing doesn’t say what you think it says and the author of the study denounced the very story you posted, specifically to the Washington Times.

What is it about conservativism that causes this kind of loyalty and propensity for intellectual dishonesty?
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Yep, no question about it, Californians refusal to submit to an audit is all that matters, giving Illegals driver's licenses which establishes residency didn't happen and no illegal or their legal family members voted in the California Presidential elections. Got it!! How naïve you truly are
 
Conservative said:
The report posted says 800,000 just in California but probably more, How do you know they didn't? California wouldn't cooperate, why?
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YOU said they did. You are offering as proof that they did an op-ed piece that says they might have. Might have is not did.
 
Conservative said:
Yep, no question about it, Californians refusal to submit to an audit is all that matters, giving Illegals driver's licenses which establishes residency didn't happen and no illegal or their legal family members voted in the California Presidential elections. Got it!! How naïve you truly are
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You keep stating this as fact yet you offer no proof. Am I mistaken or hasn't most voter fraud that has been proven been legal Americans voting for Republicans?
 
Conservative said:
Yep, no question about it, Californians refusal to submit to an audit is all that matters, giving Illegals driver's licenses which establishes residency didn't happen and no illegal or their legal family members voted in the California Presidential elections. Got it!! How naïve you truly are
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Here is some info to help.

Two studies done at Arizona State University, one in 2012 and another in 2016, found similarly negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.
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10 cases in 12 years. 0 in the next 4 years. That make 10 cases in 16 years.

A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but any and all credible claims.
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31 out of a billion. No mention which way they voted.

A review of the 2016 election found four documented cases of voter fraud.
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4. All for Trump.

A 2014 paper concluded that “the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.”
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https://cces.gov.harvard.edu/news/perils-cherry-picking-low-frequency-events-large-sample-surveys

IF, and it is a big IF, there are illegals voting, there is no credible proof that there is. And the questionable proof that exists can only find extremely small number.
 
Kreton said:
You keep stating this as fact yet you offer no proof. Am I mistaken or hasn't most voter fraud that has been proven been legal Americans voting for Republicans?
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What proof do you want? California will NOT submit to an audit and they run the election process? Only a hard core leftist would believe that no illegals voted in a state with millions of Hispanics, immigration the hot button issue, sanctuary cities, and illegals having driver's licenses that establish residency. Circumstantial evidence has convicted a lot of criminals.
 
Conservative said:
What proof do you want? California will NOT submit to an audit and they run the election process? Only a hard core leftist would believe that no illegals voted in a state with millions of Hispanics, immigration the hot button issue, sanctuary cities, and illegals having driver's licenses that establish residency. Circumstantial evidence has convicted a lot of criminals.
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I am not sure what evidence exists. You can cry and whine hardcore leftist all you want. All I am asking you for is proof of your statements that you are stating. You are making these claims, I am asking you to support them.
 
Kreton said:
I am not sure what evidence exists. You can cry and whine hardcore leftist all you want. All I am asking you for is proof of your statements that you are stating. You are making these claims, I am asking you to support them.
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Sorry but my position stands, there is no proof that they didn't vote or that they did but circumstantial evidence says they did. A State that supports Sanctuary cities and gives Driver's licenses to illegals then refuses an audit request has something to hide. There is no justification for that failure to support voter ID laws and the request for an audit. California has the largest Hispanic population in the nation and the most illegals. Belief that they didn't vote in some numbers just shows partisan ignorance
 
Conservative said:
Sorry but my position stands, there is no proof that they didn't vote or that they did but circumstantial evidence says they did. A State that supports Sanctuary cities and gives Driver's licenses to illegals then refuses an audit request has something to hide. There is no justification for that failure to support voter ID laws and the request for an audit. California has the largest Hispanic population in the nation and the most illegals. Belief that they didn't vote in some numbers just shows partisan ignorance
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You are assuming that they did because it fits your political agenda. I have no agenda other than the truth.

If I am understanding correctly since there is no proof that they didn't vote that means they did because their is circumstantial evidence that they might have.

Applying that exact same logic one could say that there is no proof that Trump didn't collude with Russia to undermine the United States election but there is certainly the same level of circumstantial evidence that he did.

Also applying that same logic one could say that there is no proof that Trump didn't rape and sexually assault women but there is certainly the same level of circumstantial evidence that he did.

If the bar is set to circumstantial evidence and the lack of proof that something didn't happen, then there are a whole lot of things one could assume. Which is why nothing really works that way. If it worked the way you are proposing then Trump would be in prison.
 
Kreton said:
You are assuming that they did because it fits your political agenda. I have no agenda other than the truth.

If I am understanding correctly since there is no proof that they didn't vote that means they did because their is circumstantial evidence that they might have.

Applying that exact same logic one could say that there is no proof that Trump didn't collude with Russia to undermine the United States election but there is certainly the same level of circumstantial evidence that he did.

Also applying that same logic one could say that there is no proof that Trump didn't rape and sexually assault women but there is certainly the same level of circumstantial evidence that he did.

If the bar is set to circumstantial evidence and the lack of proof that something didn't happen, then there are a whole lot of things one could assume. Which is why nothing really works that way. If it worked the way you are proposing then Trump would be in prison.
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And you are assuming they didn't because that is what your want to believe and your political agenda. Colluding with Russia isn't anywhere near the same thing as illegals actually casting ballots. The bar is very easy except for you as you want to believe propaganda changed votes while ignoring actual circumstantial evidence that actual illegal votes were cast
 
Conservative said:
And you are assuming they didn't because that is what your want to believe and your political agenda. Colluding with Russia isn't anywhere near the same thing as illegals actually casting ballots. The bar is very easy except for you as you want to believe propaganda changed votes while ignoring actual circumstantial evidence that actual illegal votes were cast
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I am not saying any of those things happened. I am saying that based on your level of evidence I am saying it would meet the criteria. There is easily more proof of Russian collusion and rape than their is of illegals impacting the election.
 
Kreton said:
I am not saying any of those things happened. I am saying that based on your level of evidence I am saying it would meet the criteria. There is easily more proof of Russian collusion and rape than their is of illegals impacting the election.
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Your opinion noted but that opinion is based upon your partisan beliefs. Illegals voting have happened in the past and has been proven, this election was even more important to them. Collusion hasn't been proven and even if it is no votes were hacked thus no votes changed. Illegals voting are ACTUAL votes. Only a truly leftwing partisan buys the belief that PROPAGANDA is more of an issue than illegals voting
 
Conservative said:
Your opinion noted but that opinion is based upon your partisan beliefs. Illegals voting have happened in the past and has been proven, this election was even more important to them. Collusion hasn't been proven and even if it is no votes were hacked thus no votes changed. Illegals voting are ACTUAL votes. Only a truly leftwing partisan buys the belief that PROPAGANDA is more of an issue than illegals voting
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You are dismissing one thing because it has not been proven, and then in the very next sentence stating something that hasn't been proven as a fact. You are the one influenced by partisan beliefs. You are demonstrating nothing but hypocrisy here.

Why not apply the exact same standard? Either admit that illegals didn't vote because it cannot be proven, or admit Trump rapes and assaults women and colluded with Russia because there is some evidence it might have happened. Take off your partisan blinders and apply just 1 standard. Not 1 for the right issues and 1 for left issues. Just 1 standard.
 
Kreton said:
You are dismissing one thing because it has not been proven, and then in the very next sentence stating something that hasn't been proven as a fact. You are the one influenced by partisan beliefs. You are demonstrating nothing but hypocrisy here.

Why not apply the exact same standard? Either admit that illegals didn't vote because it cannot be proven, or admit Trump rapes and assaults women and colluded with Russia because there is some evidence it might have happened. Take off your partisan blinders and apply just 1 standard. Not 1 for the right issues and 1 for left issues. Just 1 standard.
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You are simply blinded by hatred, RAPE?? OMG, we are done, what a waste of time.
 
Conservative said:
You are simply blinded by hatred, RAPE?? OMG, we are done, what a waste of time.
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Are you denying the accusations of rape don't exist? They do. They can't be proven or disproven, just like your illegal voting claim. Again I ask, are you able to put your political biases aside and apply just 1 standard or are you blinded by hatred?
 
Kreton said:
Are you denying the accusations of rape don't exist? They do. They can't be proven or disproven, just like your illegal voting claim. Again I ask, are you able to put your political biases aside and apply just 1 standard or are you blinded by hatred?
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I am not going to dignify your comments with a response, in this country one is innocent until proven guilty and to the best of my knowledge there is no lawsuit even claiming rape.
 
Conservative said:
I am not going to dignify your comments with a response, in this country one is innocent until proven guilty and to the best of my knowledge there is no lawsuit even claiming rape.
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So you believe no guilt is proven then they are innocent? So then you think that since there is nothing proven then illegals didn't vote and Hillary is innocent right? I gotta say I can't agree with all that. I think that people are guilty even without a guilt being proven in court.
 
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