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California has worst 'quality of life' in US, study says

Tanngrisnir said:
You'd hate it here. My advice is to stay away.
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I have Family in Palo Alto and used to travel there almost every summer as a kid
Haven't been back in a few years but we keep in touch and when my family, who happen to be Liberal, start complaining about the growing homeless crisis, poverty and drug use, maybe the Californian Govt should start listening

As for Houston, its clean, its vibrant, its safe and it happens to be the most diverse major city in America. I wouldn't live anywhere else

We do not have miles of tent cities, a growing hepatitis epidemic, rampant and open drug use and disintegrating infrastructure.

We do have a booming economy and a LOT of new residents who over the last few years have fled Blue States like Cali and made Houston and the surrounding areas their home.
The Left can continue to ignore the growing homeless crisis and rising poverty in California, I expect nothing different, but the rest of the Nation sure isn't
 
Conservative said:
Fox reported a US News report that has absolutely nothing to do with FOX!! California has one of the greatest divides between rich and poor and the nation and ranks number one in poverty and homelessness. that is reality and shows exactly what liberalism has done to this country.
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It was US News and World Report but the report itself came from McKinsey, as I pointed out earlier. California was in Republican hands until about five years ago.
Or do you not remember? Oh wait, that's right...you're in Texas.
Why are you so concerned about California again?

This isn't even an updated list:
Las Cruces NM, Olympia WA, Ann Arbor MI, Portland OR, Eugene OR, Fresno CA, Seattle WA, Ventura CA, Sacramento CA, San Jose CA, Ontario CA, Lakewood NJ, Lubbock TX, Chicago IL, Camden NJ, and countless others not even on the current list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tent_cities_in_the_United_States

https://www.nlchp.org/documents/WelcomeHome_TentCities

There's even a homeless encampment within sight of the White House at the intersection of the Watergate and Whitehurst Freeway in Washington DC, which has been there in one form or another for almost fifteen years.

There are over 7,000 homeless living in Hawaii, thought to be America's paradise.
And the one statistic which is most damning of all: Up to 60% of America's homeless work at jobs. It's just not enough to pay rent and survive.

And this proves that it's a NATIONAL problem, not a California problem.
YOUR PROBLEM is that you seem to think that liberals invented Hoovervilles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooverville
 
Conservative said:
What exactly is the CALIFORNIA EPA doing to solve your concerns. Seems you want the US Govt. to do what the state cannot or will not do. So tell me exactly why California is blaming Trump for EPA problems that the state controls? You do know that states have their own EPA departments?
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There is no such thing as a "California EPA".
There is a California Air Resources Board, which governs air quality management projects across the state, and it has proven itself to work.

https://news.usc.edu/76761/las-environmental-success-story-cleaner-air-healthier-kids/

So tell me exactly why California is blaming Trump for EPA problems that the state controls?
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Because Trump is actively attempting to "punish" states like California.
Specifically he recently launched an attack on California's higher smog standard for motor vehicles, insisting that the state doesn't have the right to impose higher smog standards than the Federal standard. You wanted specifics? I gave you specifics.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science...a-clean-air-act-waiver-climate-change/518649/

The E.P.A. will also begin legal proceedings to revoke a waiver for California that was allowing the state to enforce the tougher tailpipe standards for its drivers.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/us/politics/trump-vehicle-emissions-regulation.html

I suggest that you climb down off your high horse of ignorance and figure out how to deal with problems in your own state instead of devoting fourteen pages to whining and crying about a state you don't live in, seeing as you continually demonstrate that you don't know a goddam thing about the issues, or about California in general.
 
Fenton said:
As for Houston, its clean, its vibrant, its safe and it happens to be the most diverse major city in America. I wouldn't live anywhere else
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LOL! Houston is one of the most polluted cities in the entire country. Are you sure you mean Houston, Tejas? And the Houston shipping channel is incredibly polluted.

And the most diverse city? Nah. https://wallethub.com/edu/most-diverse-cities/12690/

I notice both here and in the past, esp. about education, you have to dishonestly misreprent realities about Tejas. Speaks volumes as to the validity of your points.
We do not have miles of tent cities, a growing hepatitis epidemic, rampant and open drug use and disintegrating infrastructure.
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LOL! Nor do we. MILES of tent cities? Nah. Sorry. Not there.

And, yes, I've been all over Tejas. You do have rampant and open drug use in Houston, as much as it clearly upsets you. You also allow almost uncontolled growth into flood plains. Genius.
We do have a booming economy and a LOT of new residents who over the last few years have fled Blue States like Cali and made Houston and the surrounding areas their home.
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I'll be among those laughing when they turn Tejas blue.
The Left can continue to ignore the growing homeless crisis and rising poverty in California, I expect nothing different, but the rest of the Nation sure isn't
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It isn't being ignored. Why lie like that?

Oh, wait. It's what you do.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It was US News and World Report but the report itself came from McKinsey, as I pointed out earlier. California was in Republican hands until about five years ago.
Or do you not remember? Oh wait, that's right...you're in Texas.
Why are you so concerned about California again?

This isn't even an updated list:
Las Cruces NM, Olympia WA, Ann Arbor MI, Portland OR, Eugene OR, Fresno CA, Seattle WA, Ventura CA, Sacramento CA, San Jose CA, Ontario CA, Lakewood NJ, Lubbock TX, Chicago IL, Camden NJ, and countless others not even on the current list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tent_cities_in_the_United_States

https://www.nlchp.org/documents/WelcomeHome_TentCities

There's even a homeless encampment within sight of the White House at the intersection of the Watergate and Whitehurst Freeway in Washington DC, which has been there in one form or another for almost fifteen years.

There are over 7,000 homeless living in Hawaii, thought to be America's paradise.
And the one statistic which is most damning of all: Up to 60% of America's homeless work at jobs. It's just not enough to pay rent and survive.

And this proves that it's a NATIONAL problem, not a California problem.
YOUR PROBLEM is that you seem to think that liberals invented Hoovervilles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooverville
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Want me to post census bureau data?

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Conservative said:
Want me to post census bureau data?

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What does it matter what I WANT?
Post anything you like, you still don't know diddly about California and you still have devoted fourteen pages to whining and crying about a place you don't live in.
 
It's too bad all these people from Texas keep coming here for a trip to Disneyland, and they end up getting a hummer from a tranny on Hollywood Boulevard, and from that point on, they question their masculinity so much that they have to post endless whiny inane threads about California.
 
Conservative said:
Fox reported a US News report that has absolutely nothing to do with FOX!!
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I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that Fox reported a story whose topic has nothing to do with Fox? Or do you mean that despite the fact that Fox reported the story, Fox has nothing to do with the story? If the former, I'm afraid that's the vast majority of news stories--CNN reports are seldom about CNN. Ditto the NY Times, MSNBC, Patriot News, etc. If the latter, the very claim seems self-contradictory. Fox picked one relatively insignificant detail out of a story in an attempt to trash California, and when we actually push on what the story really means, it's far less significant than the headline makes out. In that sense, any news agency has something to do with the stories they report.

Conservative said:
California has one of the greatest divides between rich and poor and the nation and ranks number one in poverty and homelessness. that is reality and shows exactly what liberalism has done to this country.
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Hmmm...well, it's certainly true that California and New York have a homelessness problem. But they're hardly the only ones, and homelessness affects comparatively few individuals--last I heard on average about 200 people per 100,000. See here:

AGRM - Homeless Rates by State

Poverty, on the other hand, affects a great many people, and using the same sources you seem to rely on in this thread--i.e. U.S. News--your claim about poverty appears to be false. Of the ten most impoverished states (those with the highest percentage of people living below the poverty line) all but two are pretty consistently conservative states:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...states-with-the-highest-poverty-rate?slide=11

The list goes:

1. Mississippi
2. Louisiana
3. New Mexico
4. Kentucky
5. West Virginia
6. Arkansas
7. Alabama
8. Arizona
9. Oklahoma
10. Georgia

Of those, all but New Mexico went to Trump. Wikipedia has a very helpful list based on the governor, state congress, and U.S. congressional delegations, here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states

Looks like only one state on the above list (New Mexico) is in the hands of the Democrats. The rest are run by and elect Republicans. So I'm not sure what your point is.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
And, yes, I've been all over Tejas. You do have rampant and open drug use in Houston, as much as it clearly upsets you. You also allow almost uncontolled growth into flood plains. Genius.\
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See? They handle their homeless much more efficiently than we do.
They take ordinary working people, let them build homes in a flood plain, soak them and submerge them, which makes them homeless, then they figure out ways to get blue states to buy them NEW HOMES.
Voila!
The regular homeless folks? They give them bus tickets to the Santa Monica Pier.

The solution is for blue states to stop contributing to the Federal coffers so that states like Texas have to take care of their own when they get submerged, and to turn those buses back at the border if they're coming from Texas.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
There is no such thing as a "California EPA".
There is a California Air Resources Board, which governs air quality management projects across the state, and it has proven itself to work.

https://news.usc.edu/76761/las-environmental-success-story-cleaner-air-healthier-kids/



Because Trump is actively attempting to "punish" states like California.
Specifically he recently launched an attack on California's higher smog standard for motor vehicles, insisting that the state doesn't have the right to impose higher smog standards than the Federal standard. You wanted specifics? I gave you specifics.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science...a-clean-air-act-waiver-climate-change/518649/



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/us/politics/trump-vehicle-emissions-regulation.html

I suggest that you climb down off your high horse of ignorance and figure out how to deal with problems in your own state instead of devoting fourteen pages to whining and crying about a state you don't live in, seeing as you continually demonstrate that you don't know a goddam thing about the issues, or about California in general.
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do leftists ever admit when wrong

https://calepa.ca.gov/

CA.Gov : Environmental Protection Agency

What is it about liberalism that creates such passion and loyalty along with the inability to admit when wrong?

High horse of ignorance?? You are too easily indoctrinated and the question is why?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
What does it matter what I WANT?
Post anything you like, you still don't know diddly about California and you still have devoted fourteen pages to whining and crying about a place you don't live in.
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Why don't you secede and create that third world country that you seem to want. What I do know as this country doesn't need or want the screwed up state of California electing our President.

California hasn't voted for a Republican Presidential Candidate since 1988 although much of the territory is Red the population centers are liberal bastions of poverty, homelessness, corruption, illegals and Democratic Control and hasn't had a Republican Senate since 1975. Your ignorance of your own state shows the problems in your own state
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
It's too bad all these people from Texas keep coming here for a trip to Disneyland, and they end up getting a hummer from a tranny on Hollywood Boulevard, and from that point on, they question their masculinity so much that they have to post endless whiny inane threads about California.
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And it is too bad your businesses keep moving out of your state with some to TX. It is truly a shame how screwed up your state is and how you violate US Immigration laws. Your state's population growth comes from Illegals loving the "free stuff" you provide them. Your ignorance about your owns state shows why leftists are out of touch with reality
 
Conservative said:
California has worst 'quality of life' in US, study says | Fox News

Donald Trump lost this state by 4.3 million votes, lost the popular vote by 2.8 million. Apparently this is the kind of country leftists want as they would like the popular vote from California to elect the President of the United States. My bet is other blue areas like Chicago, NYC, Seattle aren't very far behind. You leftists certainly have very low standards when it comes to reviewing actual results
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That same study had Texas in the bottom 5 and North Dakota in the top 5. I find that all a little hard to believe, so I would not be touting this study if I were you.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That same study had Texas in the bottom 5 and North Dakota in the top 5. I find that all a little hard to believe, so I would not be touting this study if I were you.
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The issue was the popular vote win by Hillary which was generated by the 4.3 million vote win in the state of California thus my point stands. Why would anyone want the state of California with its massive debt, massive poverty, massive homelessness, illegal activity electing our President?
 
ashurbanipal said:
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that Fox reported a story whose topic has nothing to do with Fox? Or do you mean that despite the fact that Fox reported the story, Fox has nothing to do with the story? If the former, I'm afraid that's the vast majority of news stories--CNN reports are seldom about CNN. Ditto the NY Times, MSNBC, Patriot News, etc. If the latter, the very claim seems self-contradictory. Fox picked one relatively insignificant detail out of a story in an attempt to trash California, and when we actually push on what the story really means, it's far less significant than the headline makes out. In that sense, any news agency has something to do with the stories they report.



Hmmm...well, it's certainly true that California and New York have a homelessness problem. But they're hardly the only ones, and homelessness affects comparatively few individuals--last I heard on average about 200 people per 100,000. See here:

AGRM - Homeless Rates by State

Poverty, on the other hand, affects a great many people, and using the same sources you seem to rely on in this thread--i.e. U.S. News--your claim about poverty appears to be false. Of the ten most impoverished states (those with the highest percentage of people living below the poverty line) all but two are pretty consistently conservative states:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...states-with-the-highest-poverty-rate?slide=11

The list goes:

1. Mississippi
2. Louisiana
3. New Mexico
4. Kentucky
5. West Virginia
6. Arkansas
7. Alabama
8. Arizona
9. Oklahoma
10. Georgia

Of those, all but New Mexico went to Trump. Wikipedia has a very helpful list based on the governor, state congress, and U.S. congressional delegations, here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states

Looks like only one state on the above list (New Mexico) is in the hands of the Democrats. The rest are run by and elect Republicans. So I'm not sure what your point is.
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Interesting how the problems in California are minimized and yet how California is touted when it gave Hillary the 4.3 million vote popular vote win in the Presidential election. So keep ignoring that California does lead the nation in poverty, homelessness, debt, and illegal activities.

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/09/25/california-leads-the-nation-in-poverty/

https://krcb.org/krcb-news-feed/california-leads-the-nation-in-homelessness

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...ary-state-bill-is-actually-an-ineffective-way
 
calamity said:
Dude, people are dying to move to California, especially So Cal. 72 degrees and sunny, over 300 days a year.

No one is tripping over themselves to move to Jackson ****ing Mississippi. :roll:
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The crowd is not the sum of its parts. A lot of people move to these big cities because there aren’t other options. It is like gravity. Larger populations tend to attract more people. It doesn’t make it superior politically or anything. It just means that more people live there.

Anyway. I’d rather live in Jackson than California. But I’d rather live in Florida than either. :shrug:
 
blackjack50 said:
The crowd is not the sum of its parts. A lot of people move to these big cities because there aren’t other options. It is like gravity. Larger populations tend to attract more people. It doesn’t make it superior politically or anything. It just means that more people live there.

Anyway. I’d rather live in Jackson than California. But I’d rather live in Florida than either. :shrug:
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If you're looking for opportunity, few places in the US offer as much of it as California. I'm actually quite stunned at the number of people I know who moved to San Jose even though their cost of living quadroupled and pay barely doubled.

But, over 10 years, not one of those people regrets their decision.
 
danielpalos said:
Let's wait for the next study, and then talk, right wingers.
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Or the next big technical innovation that comes out of that state which allows right wingers to easier rant endlessly about "California liberals."

Seriously, anyone not recognizing the huge asset that state is to the US is a ****ing moron.
 
calamity said:
Or the next big technical innovation that comes out of that state which allows right wingers to easier rant endlessly about "California liberals."

Seriously, anyone not recognizing the huge asset that state is to the US is a ****ing moron.
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right wingers are like women; i try to no longer use, "single syllable words" in my arguments with them.
 
calamity said:
If you're looking for opportunity, few places in the US offer as much of it as California. I'm actually quite stunned at the number of people I know who moved to San Jose even though their cost of living quadroupled and pay barely doubled.

But, over 10 years, not one of those people regrets their decision.
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The plural of anecdote is data'
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Like I said. It is like gravity. Job opportunities open up because the market is already there. Be it film or cars or electronics. The companies aren’t going to build a new electronics place in mobile Alabama because that isn’t where the talent pool is. They will build it in Silicon Valley instead. Then they bring in jobs. If they need more? More people may come.

It doesn’t make said place superior politically. Just bigger. Just the way that it has worked since the establishment of structured cities. :shrug:



Here is a cool video that really explains it. Kinda long, but the guy has a lot of cool stuff on his channel.
 
calamity said:
Or the next big technical innovation that comes out of that state which allows right wingers to easier rant endlessly about "California liberals."

Seriously, anyone not recognizing the huge asset that state is to the US is a ****ing moron.
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Meh. We would be fine without it. Mainly it is only important because it is where people congregate. Like I say about Tourists here in Florida...we would rather you just mail us your money and stay home. But if you have to come...just stay in Orlando or father south. :shrug:
 
Conservative said:
The issue was the popular vote win by Hillary which was generated by the 4.3 million vote win in the state of California thus my point stands. Why would anyone want the state of California with its massive debt, massive poverty, massive homelessness, illegal activity electing our President?
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Texas:

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California:

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That's why.

And yes, I know the two percent or so of Texas that constitutes the hill country is pretty, but 90% of the state is like a hotter version of Central and Western Kansas.

Moreover, California is a massive economic engine for the country and by itself is one of the largest economies on earth. So why would we not want their having a voice in who gets to run the county?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Texas:

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California:

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That's why.

And yes, I know the two percent or so of Texas that constitutes the hill country is pretty, but 90% of the state is like a hotter version of Central and Western Kansas.
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What is great about this country is you have freedom of movement so please don't move to TX, we don't need any more liberals to drive up the cost of living. Lived in TX 25 years, how long have you lived here making you an expert? by the way Mt. Rainier is beautiful, thanks for posting but isn't in California
 
Conservative said:
What is great about this country is you have freedom of movement so please don't move to TX, we don't need any more liberals to drive up the cost of living. Lived in TX 25 years, how long have you lived here making you an expert? by the way Mt. Rainier is beautiful, thanks for posting but isn't in California
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1. That is not Mt Rainier, that is Mount Shasta in Northern California.

2. My wife is from Houston. We are down there all the time. Like much of Texas, its a boom town with a horrendous quality of life. That is unless one enjoys spending several hours a day in traffic, a lack of zoning, an abysmal amount of public land, air so polluted you can often taste it, and a disgustingly polluted sea shore.
 
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