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California has worst 'quality of life' in US, study says

ashurbanipal said:
Still more attempt at psychoanalysis. And just like the last time, and the time before that, it's inherently weak.

I've responded to all the data you've cited. You've not responded to any of my responses...which is how debate should normally work. It appears that you actually have no response, and you're just repeating the same stuff over and over.
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No, what you did was give your opinion basically that data doesn't matter and that things would be worse without the spending, spending that is more than double any state in the country including TX without double the population yet ranking at the bottom in quality of life. Your opinion is typical of most liberals, ignore, divert, and distort.

Another poster also posted data of which you ignored which is why this is a waste of time arguing with someone who cannot admit when wrong. California ranks at the bottom on the country in quality of life based upon US News, ranks at the bottom of the country in poverty according to the Census Bureau, and ranks at the bottom or close to it in cost of living including taxes, regulations and homelessness. That being defended shows exactly the problems we face in this country especially with someone supposedly an eduator.
 
Conservative said:
No, what you did was give your opinion basically that data doesn't matter
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First, I dare you to find anywhere I said that the data doesn't matter.

What I did do is show that what you're calling "poverty" is in fact due to the cost of housing, which in turn has been caused by the fact that there's more demand for housing than there is supply.

You seem to think that someone disagreeing with your view of data means they think data doesn't matter. If that's what's happening, you're obviously incorrect.

Conservative said:
and that things would be worse without the spending
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Which is what that same data--the data you posted--clearly shows.

Conservative said:
Another poster also posted data of which you ignored
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Which poster was this? I'm not aware of such data, but if they didn't address the post to me, I may not have paid any attention.

Conservative said:
California ranks at the bottom on the country in quality of life based upon US News
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Which means, once we looked into what "quality of life" means, that they have bad water and air quality.

Conservative said:
ranks at the bottom of the country in poverty according to the Census Bureau
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Which actually means that their housing costs are sky-high. It's almost like you'd think the Affordable Care Act made health care affordable because it's right there in the title.
 
ashurbanipal said:
First, I dare you to find anywhere I said that the data doesn't matter.

What I did do is show that what you're calling "poverty" is in fact due to the cost of housing, which in turn has been caused by the fact that there's more demand for housing than there is supply.

You seem to think that someone disagreeing with your view of data means they think data doesn't matter. If that's what's happening, you're obviously incorrect.



Which is what that same data--the data you posted--clearly shows.



Which poster was this? I'm not aware of such data, but if they didn't address the post to me, I may not have paid any attention.



Which means, once we looked into what "quality of life" means, that they have bad water and air quality.



Which actually means that their housing costs are sky-high. It's almost like you'd think the Affordable Care Act made health care affordable because it's right there in the title.
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And has been shown and ignored the high cost of housing is due to high regulations and requirements placed on builders for those houses along with the high taxes required after living in those houses. again facts get in the way of your opinions

As for things getting worse how can things get worse when your at the bottom? you think more spending is going to lower regulations, taxes, and the additional costs of living?

Keep ignoring reality and keep playing that stupid liberal game of distortion and diversion.
 
Conservative said:
And has been shown and ignored the high cost of housing is due to high regulations and requirements placed on builders for those houses
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Not shown, and not ignored (by me, that is) either. I asked some direct questions to the poster who posted that data, and so far have received no response. The report in question shows that local communities are the ones imposing those regulations, not state government, and they're doing so because there are too many people living there. What, exactly, should state government do about any of this? Are you saying that citizens should not be allowed to get together in their communities and make those decisions? Because if you are not saying those things, it's pretty hard to figure out what your point is.

Conservative said:
As for things getting worse how can things get worse when your at the bottom?
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I've already answered this question twice. Now for the third time, in a different way: there are a number of different ways to measure how bad something is. You're emphasizing relative rank. But that's clearly not the only way to measure. Look: suppose you're a student in a class all of whom earn an A. But you earn the lowest A in the class. If you instead earned a B, you'd still have the lowest grade in the class, but that would be worse than if you had the lowest A in the class. Your relative rank doesn't change from one case to another, but one is clearly worse than the other.

Similarly, in California's case, if 50% of the people couldn't afford decent housing, that'd be worse.

Conservative said:
you think more spending is going to lower regulations, taxes, and the additional costs of living?
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Not necessarily.
 
ashurbanipal said:
Not shown, and not ignored (by me, that is) either. I asked some direct questions to the poster who posted that data, and so far have received no response. The report in question shows that local communities are the ones imposing those regulations, not state government, and they're doing so because there are too many people living there. What, exactly, should state government do about any of this? Are you saying that citizens should not be allowed to get together in their communities and make those decisions? Because if you are not saying those things, it's pretty hard to figure out what your point is.



I've already answered this question twice. Now for the third time, in a different way: there are a number of different ways to measure how bad something is. You're emphasizing relative rank. But that's clearly not the only way to measure. Look: suppose you're a student in a class all of whom earn an A. But you earn the lowest A in the class. If you instead earned a B, you'd still have the lowest grade in the class, but that would be worse than if you had the lowest A in the class. Your relative rank doesn't change from one case to another, but one is clearly worse than the other.

Similarly, in California's case, if 50% of the people couldn't afford decent housing, that'd be worse.



Not necessarily.
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You are so right, those bastions of liberal ideologues in SF and LA are voting for the same politicians over and over again, the ones making the regulations and raising the taxes on everyone else funding social programs with no exit requirements. I suggest you look at a map of California and find out what areas are blue and what are red. Let me know what you find and tell me why those communities have such tough regulations and high taxes on buildings and residential living. Demand can always be handled by more building but that isn't happening, suggest you figure out why.

Love how you compare quality of life and cost of living to all students making an A lowering the quality of the A. California ranks at the bottom of the quality of life category and gets there by spending more than double the next closest state in population. They have among the highest cost of living in the nation with among the worst business climate and highest taxes. With all that spending they cannot even buy an A but rather get an F

From another poster that you ignored

https://www.investors.com/politics/...needs-millions-of-homes-why-arent-they-built/
 
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Conservative said:
You are so right, those bastions of liberal ideologues in SF and LA are voting for the same politicians over and over again, the ones making the regulations and raising the taxes on everyone else
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So far in this thread, none of this is in evidence. The report another poster linked showed that the high cost of housing was due partially to local governments bending to pressure put on them by citizens. I asked you a direct question about this point, that you did not answer: are you saying that citizens don't have that right? Because if that's not what you're saying, it's pretty difficult to figure out what kind of point you're making.

Of course, it's not surprising you won't answer any of my questions, including this one, because if you tried, it'd be easier for everyone reading this to see that you have no case.

Conservative said:
funding social programs with no exit requirements. I suggest you look at a map of California and find out what areas are blue and what are red. Let me know what you find and tell me why those communities have such tough regulations and high taxes on buildings and residential living. Demand can always be handled by more building but that isn't happening, suggest you figure out why.
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The report already linked seems to have answered all of these questions. The salient point is that the citizens living there have pressured local governments to take the actions they've taken. So, again, unless you're saying that citizens don't have that right, or that governments should not respond to the demands of the citizens that elect them, I have no idea what point you could be making.

Conservative said:
Love how you compare quality of life and cost of living to all students making an A lowering the quality of the A. California ranks at the bottom of the quality of life category and gets there by spending more than double the next closest state in population. They have among the highest cost of living in the nation with among the worst business climate and highest taxes. With all that spending they cannot even buy an A but rather get an F
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You've missed the point entirely--and that point was quite clear in my example. Your response is irrelevant to the point at hand.

Conservative said:
From another poster that you ignored
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I've ignored nothing. To ignore something, you have to be aware of it first, and I'm not reading every post in this thread--or even most of them, for that matter. I do read the ones addressed to me, provided the system alerts me.

Conservative;1068309299[URL said:
https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/california-needs-millions-of-homes-why-arent-they-built/[/URL]
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This is mostly an opinion piece that doesn't contain any information not already contained in the report to which I've already responded.
 
Conservative said:
And has been shown and ignored the high cost of housing is due to high regulations and requirements placed on builders for those houses along with the high taxes required after living in those houses. again facts get in the way of your opinions

As for things getting worse how can things get worse when your at the bottom? you think more spending is going to lower regulations, taxes, and the additional costs of living?

Keep ignoring reality and keep playing that stupid liberal game of distortion and diversion.
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new cities solves many of our problems.
 
calamity said:
Dude, people are dying to move to California, especially So Cal. 72 degrees and sunny, over 300 days a year.

No one is tripping over themselves to move to Jackson ****ing Mississippi. :roll:
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California is ranked 17th in population growth and #1 in poverty.

The people tripping over themselves to move to California are illegals...
 
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