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Ivanka Trump says she believes father’s denials of sex misconduct

Moderate Right said:
In other words, no. You do not have any evidence that Trump is guilty of sexual misconduct. You are just hoping.
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did you actually NOT hear what he said on the access tape about his own sexual conduct
 
justabubba said:
did you actually NOT hear what he said on the access tape about his own sexual conduct
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He was bragging about something that didn't happen. You guys are all into this sexual misconduct stuff against Trump and offer the access Hollywood tape as proof. Did it ever even occur to you that out of all of the women who claimed that Trump was guilty of sexual misconduct with them, not one of them has said that Trump went up to them and grabbed their ******s? Not even one! Isn't that a bit peculiar when considering that you are using the Access Hollywood tape as proof of his guilt? Not one woman has corroborated what Trump said on the Access Hollywood tape.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I gave you facts. It's up to you if you want to ignore them and dismiss them with an ad hominem attack.
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You gave no facts. Only your opinions. Opinions are a dime a dozen, especially for you kool aid drinkers.
 
rocket88 said:
He was unfaithful to her mother, why think he changed all of a sudden?

But honestly, it wasn't a question to ask her. It wasn't her doing.
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I agree, but the Trumps are celebs and that is what is in their background. She has no position in the WH nor should she. So since she is she is fair game.
 
Carleen said:
I agree, but the Trumps are celebs and that is what is in their background. She has no position in the WH nor should she. So since she is she is fair game.
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fair question

and now that she is of age, it would be fair to question chelsea on the campaign trail about her dad's indiscressions
 
justabubba said:
fair question

and now that she is of age, it would be fair to question chelsea on the campaign trail about her dad's indiscressions
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That would only apply if she was in the limelight or still in the WH. So if she decides to run someday I am sure that will be an issue.
 
What is the joke going around today:

Donald Trump treated Hope Hicks like his daughter.

Donald Trump treats Ivanka like his wife.
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Carleen said:
That would only apply if she was in the limelight or still in the WH. So if she decides to run someday I am sure that will be an issue.
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why would it be unfair to question chelsea about monica et al off of the campaign trail or outside the white house
 
justabubba said:
why would it be unfair to question chelsea about monica et al off of the campaign trail or outside the white house
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I didn’t say it would be unfair. I’m pointing out that right now no one cares about Chelsea.
 
Carleen said:
I didn’t say it would be unfair. I’m pointing out that right now no one cares about Chelsea.
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then we are agreed, chelsea is fair game to ask about her father's carousing just as it is fair to ask ivanka about her dad's sexual liasions
 
Moderate Right said:
He was bragging about something that didn't happen. You guys are all into this sexual misconduct stuff against Trump and offer the access Hollywood tape as proof. Did it ever even occur to you that out of all of the women who claimed that Trump was guilty of sexual misconduct with them, not one of them has said that Trump went up to them and grabbed their ******s? Not even one! Isn't that a bit peculiar when considering that you are using the Access Hollywood tape as proof of his guilt? Not one woman has corroborated what Trump said on the Access Hollywood tape.
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Why do you continue to repeat this lie when you know it is not true?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Jill Harth alleges that Trump assaulted her several times. Harth has stated that in December 1992, while dining with Trump and her then-boyfriend George Houraney, Trump attempted to put his hands between her legs.
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In the early 1980s, Leeds was a businesswoman at a paper company on a flight from the Midwest, returning to New York. A flight attendant offered her an empty seat in the first-class cabin next to Trump. Leeds alleged that about 45 minutes after takeoff, Trump lifted the armrest and began touching her, grabbing her breasts, and tried to put his hand up her skirt. "He was like an octopus," she said. "His hands were everywhere. It was an assault."[56][59] Leeds said she had sent a letter containing her allegations to the editor of The New York Times.[3][56]
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On October 14, 2016, The Washington Post reported allegations by Kristin Anderson that Trump groped her beneath her skirt in a Manhattan nightclub in the early 1990s.
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justabubba said:
then we are agreed, chelsea is fair game to ask about her father's carousing just as it is fair to ask ivanka about her dad's sexual liasions
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Nobody currently cares about Chelsea or Bill or Hillary, but they did at one time and to the best of my memory no one dared ask her at the time. Fair is fair, she would have been fair game.
 
holbritter said:
You're a good spinner. Questioning her about that subject is inappropriate.
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She is part of his government and as such can be questioned on her positions and her opinions. I wonder what she thought of her father when he was cheating on her mother? Junior didn't speak with 45 for a year.
 
Parrish said:
She is part of his government and as such can be questioned on her positions and her opinions. I wonder what she thought of her father when he was cheating on her mother? Junior didn't speak with 45 for a year.
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Thank you for your opinion.
 
holbritter said:
You're a good spinner. Questioning her about that subject is inappropriate.
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Yes and no. Questioning her as a daughter is inappropriate. However, she is no different than Kellyanne Conway or Sarah Sanders. She's a member of her father's staff, as is her husband. As such, everything is fair game. No different than if someone asked either Conway or Sanders if they believed it.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
More than there was than against Roy Moore, though not quite as much as against Bill Cosby.

Here's a clue, guy - when enough women stand up and say it happened, chances are pretty doggone good that it DID happen. If your mom said it happened, would you still sit back and say, "Where's the proof?" Somehow I doubt that. Here's another clue: those who spoke up are also mothers and sisters and daughters. YES, there are women who falsely accuse others - one such ruined my wife's business, so don't think for one moment that I'm just feeding you naive tripe - but when enough of them speak up with similar stories of one guy's conduct, it's pretty doggone sure that he did it...and that's if we don't even consider Trump's own words.
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Does that hold true for Juanita Broaddrick and the other women who claim Bill Clinton assaulted them?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
If there ever was the picture perfect victim to brainwashing and abuse. It is Ivanka Trump. This woman is just not a happy person. She's got those soulless dead eyes too.
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Sleeping with Kush must be a drag and having Donald as your dad is abuse in itself.
 
Acadia said:
Does that hold true for Juanita Broaddrick and the other women who claim Bill Clinton assaulted them?
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1. Trump has four times as many accusers as Clinton.

2. Clinton never bragged about "grabbing p**y" or any other form of assault - Trump did.

3. Y'all were so eager to investigate Clinton for his alleged assaults and did so...but y'all don't want any investigation at all of Trump when he's accused by four times as many.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
1. Trump has four times as many accusers as Clinton.

2. Clinton never bragged about "grabbing p**y" or any other form of assault - Trump did.

3. Y'all were so eager to investigate Clinton for his alleged assaults and did so...but y'all don't want any investigation at all of Trump when he's accused by four times as many.
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And you're evading my question why?
Do you believe Juanita Broaddrick? This isn't hard. Yes or no.
 
Acadia said:
And you're evading my question why?
Do you believe Juanita Broaddrick? This isn't hard. Yes or no.
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Have you ever had been in a position of conducting an investigation of a friend of yours who was accused of sexual harassment? I have, back when I was working with security on the USS Abraham Lincoln. I was one of the charter members of the Sexual Assault Victim Intervention group onboard. At one point I was informed by one young lady who complained that my co-worker had harassed her. I immediately took the matter to my division master chief, division officer, and department head. We couldn't proceed because it was the kind of case we hated most: a he-said/she-said. We all believed her, but we could not proceed on her word alone. So we had to take our time and in the ensuing months we were able to find several other female crewmembers who gave similar testimony of their own experiences.

Using the testimonies of all involved - I think there were six total females testifying against him - we took him to Captain's Mast, where he was punished with a fine, extra duty, and removal from his duties in security. That doesn't sound like much, but such punishment is greatly shameful to any sailor...especially to one who had been a Master-at-Arms (which is what we call those who work in security). I was the one marching him around in the Hangar Bay dressed in his white cracker-jack uniform carrying his fully-packed seabag on his back...and this was IIRC while we were in the Persian Gulf (or maybe it was 'just' the Indian Ocean). Either way, it was hot.

Thing is, Captain's Mast is nonjudicial punishment - it doesn't go on your personal record because - as it says - it's NOT judicial in nature. It's administrative. As such - and this is crucial - the rules of evidence do not apply in Captain's Mast. To be sure, with the exception of this one case, the captains I served under always followed the rules of evidence without exception. But this time, it was the testimony of six women concerning six different allegations, all without extraneous witnesses. If he had been sent to Court-Martial - which is much like a regular civilian court - he might have been declared innocent since with each allegation, it was his word against that of one other woman's word. That was why we took him to Captain's Mast instead of Court-Martial - it was the only way we could guarantee that he would be punished for what we all believed he did.

So how's this apply to Clinton? I believe the women are almost certainly telling the truth - I can't guarantee it, but they almost certainly are. What's stopping me from saying 'absolutely certain' is that there are only three women accusing Clinton...and there's many documented cases of women making false accusations for various reasons. But Trump? That's sixteen women...and his own behavior that is often uncomfortably similar to what I recognized in hindsight was the behavior of the sexual predator who I helped investigate about twenty years ago. Trump's guilty, and guilty as sin. Problem is, Trump will never be investigated since all their accusations are outside the statute of limitations. The only reason Bill Cosby - whose conduct is worse by far - is being prosecuted is because one of the accusations was barely inside the statute of limitations.

Okay? If I can investigate and supervise the punishment of someone who was my friend, then yes, I HAVE demonstrated that I can be objective in my statements and judgments. Clinton's almost certainly guilty but I can't be certain. Trump's sure as hell guilty...but we can't do anything about it.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
1. Trump has four times as many accusers as Clinton.

2. Clinton never bragged about "grabbing p**y" or any other form of assault - Trump did.

3. Y'all were so eager to investigate Clinton for his alleged assaults and did so...but y'all don't want any investigation at all of Trump when he's accused by four times as many.
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1. Guilty is guilty.

2. That we know of... no audio tape has come forth. Clinton has always schemed on women, too, albeit he's probably much smoother about it.

3. If you condemned Clinton you have to condemn Trump. If you gave Clinton a pass you have to give Trump a pass. And visa-versa. (Generic 'you')
 
radcen said:
1. Guilty is guilty.

2. That we know of... no audio tape has come forth. Clinton has always schemed on women, too, albeit he's probably much smoother about it.

3. If you condemned Clinton you have to condemn Trump. If you gave Clinton a pass you have to give Trump a pass. And visa-versa. (Generic 'you')
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By your same metric, then if Bill Cosby had never admitted anything, we'd have to give him a pass, too.
 
Acadia said:
Does that hold true for Juanita Broaddrick and the other women who claim Bill Clinton assaulted them?
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You mean the same Juanita Broaddrick who signed an affadavit that said
During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies. Newspaper and tabloid reporters hounded me and my family, seeking corroboration of these tales. I repeatedly denied the allegations and requested that my family's privacy be respected. These allegations are untrue and I had hoped that they would no longer haunt me, or cause further disruption to my family.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/affidavit122398.htm
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That Juanita Broaddrick?
 
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