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California Shows How To Beat Trump

Checkerboard Strangler said:
I said that what Enron did to California would be considered an act of war, you're the one who brought up the legality of it.



And I've pointed out that Perry was in their pocket, and you're making excuses.
The fact remains, Enron plunged California's electrical grid into crisis repeatedly over a year and a half period.
You want to skirt around by saying that it was legal? Go right ahead. It still doesn't change the fact that it's typical of the kind of thing Texas is known for, in addition to threatening to secede, threatening to start civil wars, threatening to overthrow the Federal Government, committing similar hostile acts against other states, accepting blue state handouts for every natural disaster and then having their politicians VOTE NO when another state (particularly a blue state like New York) needs help, like during Hurricane Sandy.

I could go on but it won't change the fact that you're a weasel, and mighty tough sounding sitting at that keyboard.
But you don't have valid answers, just a typical Texas sized chip on your shoulder about California.
California survived that act of war by Texas, and we learned from it.
And we grew stronger, because we got rid of OUR Republican governor.

Remember, this is a thread about California, not your doubts about who is and who isn't "a Texan".

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Yeah, everyone has noticed that.
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lol if only it was an act of war, still waiting on you ****ers to try to do something smart. So far, all I see is california with ya'lls tail between your legs, too afraid to solve your illegal immigrant problem.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
lol if only it was an act of war, still waiting on you ****ers to try to do something smart. So far, all I see is california with ya'lls tail between your legs, too afraid to solve your illegal immigrant problem.
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Since you don't actually know a damn thing about California, I'll consider the source of that comment accordingly.
We're the fifth largest economy on the planet, larger than France, larger than RUSSIA.

The only economies larger than California are the entire United States itself, China, Japan, Germany and the United Kingdom.
We have illegal immigrants, but we're doing a better job handling them than anyone else.
 
danielpalos said:
I think California Labor needs a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, to help with cost of living.
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It wouldn't help if they did, the minimum wage increase issue. Has cause several companies like McDonalds to implement ways to cut down their workforce. Automated kiosk and the like is what I have been seeing come up recently.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Some do, especially in Texas where the sales/property taxes are hard to avoid, but that is not to say that any low wage worker pays their own (indluding their dependents) way via their taxes. That also ignores the harm done to the overall tax base by having wages suppressed. Other issuses, such as roadside dumplng and open pit burning of trash (indluding tires), are made worse in areas with loads of low wage illegal immigrants.
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Lets not forget that the smog over the state, is mostly caused by those same "recycled" tires.
 
Phys251 said:
Texas has multiple major metro areas that are surprisingly progressive. Cities are where the growth is happening.

I think some of that effect is happening in Cali as well, but geographic and cost-of-living obstacles do impede some of the growth in LA, the Bay, and San Diego.
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Yeah, I have a friend who wants to immigrate from Kuwait. However, she wants to go to LA to live and I have warned her multiple times now. That the cost of living there will break her if she is not careful.

Jacking up the minimum wage, will hurt it even worse.
 
dobieg said:
You liberals sure like to exploit cheap foreign labor at the same time you call for raising the minimum wage of those you've hurt by,.....allowing cheap foreign labor.


One of these days your side will get it. Maybe.
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So long as those liberal elites love to chow down on their own form of easy access slavery, fat chance.
 
Chomsky said:
Californian doesn't allow illegals entry. That's your much vaunted federal boys in Washington that can't control the border.
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That is a correct statement, but when California actually works to protect even the illegal criminals. It is pretty obvious that they aren't doing much better.
 
Chomsky said:
There's much to admire about California, but I do not believe it's ever right to condone, much less celebrate, illegal migration.

Yes, DACA needs to be reinstated. And it seems impractical and disruptive to attempt to remove 11-12M illegals. But at the least, the border needs to be secured, and access to illegal employment - the draw for illegals - needs to be ended.

It's my belief that the California economy and otherwise strong state is not succeeding due to illegal immigration, but despite it. And if by chance illegal immigration were to be somehow proven to help the economy, I am dead against a two-tiered society even if were to be found good for the economy.
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Would keeping the DACA recipients that actually have reasonably clean records and removing those with heavier offenses be a good step to take?
 
Chomsky said:
I can't even imagine the hell those directly on the border have had to live through, particularly those that own property.

And all these years? Why? It's pure insanity.

I'm definitely not a Trump fan, but he's right in general on illegal immigration. I don't necessarily agree with his methodology, but do agree with his general idea of getting a handle on this. And his substantial popularity, shows just how large the public response is to this issue.

I live in a northern city, where even here we suffer from the effects of illegal immigration. I can't even imagine what it's like on the border.
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I think we got the idea from Israel. Their wall is necessary and formidable. Of course our border situation is much more complex.

We'll see how it all plays out but, a combination of security measures will likely be in the final draft.
 
Old Trapper said:
It isn't the illegal, or the immigrant, that is suppressing wages. It is the greed of the 1%, and the abundance of workers created by "free trade", and the recession. Illegals do work for less, however, these are in unskilled jobs where wages are usually lower. It does not explain the decline in wages in the skilled fields.
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I've been in and around the construction/service industry for over 40 years and you are wrong. Illegals are doing every sort of job and making very good money. The only thing they are lacking are benefits.

IOWs. taking jobs from Americans
 
Mycroft said:
Do you live in Colorado? I do. I've seen what happened to my State in the early 90's when liberals from CA and elsewhere bailed on their state and moved here. As I said...maybe they'll move back.
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West coasters have been moving to TX for decades. Please let some of them move back.
 
California has an cheating way! Embrace the immigrants and, built the democrats base!


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WCH said:
I've been in and around the construction/service industry for over 40 years and you are wrong. Illegals are doing every sort of job and making very good money. The only thing they are lacking are benefits.

IOWs. taking jobs from Americans
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If they are making good money then they are not driving down wages. And if they are working then there is obviously a need for their skills.

Now, how many jobs has Trump, and his kind, taken from Americans by having their goods manufactured in China, or other countries overseas? Or through the H2-B visa program?

How many jobs did Romney, through Bains Capital, send offshore?

How many Americans are willing to work in the fields 10 hours a day?

But hey, its the illegals fault.
 
Oborosen said:
Would keeping the DACA recipients that actually have reasonably clean records and removing those with heavier offenses be a good step to take?
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One of the requirements to be on DACA is a clean record, and those are already being deported. The ones that are now being deported are the ones that paid their Court fees ($500.00 a year), and obeyed the orders of the Court. Some have actually been picked up when reporting to the Courts.
 
Old Trapper said:
If I was a thinking person, and not an idiot like some, my question would be what benefits is she being denied? The VA does not deny a service connected disability, and it would not matter what State she resided in.

Then too, UI see nothing in this post suggesting she was/is being denied benefits. The complain seems to be over dip**** Abbot, and the Texans in general, making things difficult for the disabled. I do know that just recently the Republicans passed a law making it harder for the disabled to sue for damages. I also know that Trump has decreased funds for the mentally ill which I am sure you could use.

But hey, you have to be a "thinking person" to come to conclusions like that, and you aren't one.
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My wife is being taken care of very well by the VA, it's a few of her friends who have been royally screwed, and those friends aren't disabled vets, they are other wheelchair users that she has met over the years.
 
Old Trapper said:
If they are making good money then they are not driving down wages. And if they are working then there is obviously a need for their skills.

Now, how many jobs has Trump, and his kind, taken from Americans by having their goods manufactured in China, or other countries overseas? Or through the H2-B visa program?

How many jobs did Romney, through Bains Capital, send offshore?

How many Americans are willing to work in the fields 10 hours a day?

But hey, its the illegals fault.
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Romney...man you are old.
 
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