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California Shows How To Beat Trump

Crovax said:
You have confused the cities for their metro area. Democrats might win Houston in elections but they lose the Huston metro area as a whole, same with DFW and San Antonio.
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I do not need a lecture from you about the difference between the two, thank you. :)

Also, you should know that while rural areas have been trending Red, thanks to the Trump Effect, suburbs are trending Blue.
 
Old Trapper said:
Actually, it will be quite easy if the people ever grow a backbone, and some integrity (especially the so-called "Christian" community), and vote for honest people, and patriots. Oregon, one of the top States in the nation, and California, have done so. I found this article to be interesting for many reasons, however, two paragraphs stood out as I was reading it:

https://www.thenation.com/article/california-shows-how-to-beat-trump-now-and-in-november/

"And yet no place is a more hopeful model for the future than California. Despite recent tax increases and tough environmental laws, its economy has been outperforming the rest of the nation. Between 2012 and 2016, California accounted for over 17 percent of US job growth. In 2016 California’s GDP grew at nearly twice the rate of the national economy. California is the nation’s leader, and often the world’s, in progressive energy policy and in reducing the per capita consumption of water, fossil fuels, and other natural resources; in creating the technologies of the future; and in celebrating the rich cultural mix that ethnic diversity produces.

That’s part of California’s story. The other part is its own recent history. In 1994, voters passed Proposition 187, an initiative that would have denied undocumented immigrants all public services, including schooling. Just as Trump does today, California back then sought to drive out immigrants, but later came to understand there was no future in that. After all, immigrants provided much of the labor force for the state’s agriculture and service sectors. Now California protects immigrants, and its majority-minority population—white, black, Latino, Asian, and so forth—looks very much like America’s will in another 25 years."

More about Oregon here:

More people are arriving: Oregon remains a top relocation spot, study finds | OregonLive.com
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There's much to admire about California, but I do not believe it's ever right to condone, much less celebrate, illegal migration.

Yes, DACA needs to be reinstated. And it seems impractical and disruptive to attempt to remove 11-12M illegals. But at the least, the border needs to be secured, and access to illegal employment - the draw for illegals - needs to be ended.

It's my belief that the California economy and otherwise strong state is not succeeding due to illegal immigration, but despite it. And if by chance illegal immigration were to be somehow proven to help the economy, I am dead against a two-tiered society even if were to be found good for the economy.
 
Is this about California "beating Trump" or California just doing what it believes is right for itself? Because this was going on well before Trump and his minion hoard appeared and will continue after Trump loses to a raccoon in 2020 (if he even bothers to run).
 
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Old Trapper said:
Actually, it will be quite easy if the people ever grow a backbone, and some integrity (especially the so-called "Christian" community), and vote for honest people, and patriots. Oregon, one of the top States in the nation, and California, have done so. I found this article to be interesting for many reasons, however, two paragraphs stood out as I was reading it:

https://www.thenation.com/article/california-shows-how-to-beat-trump-now-and-in-november/

"And yet no place is a more hopeful model for the future than California. Despite recent tax increases and tough environmental laws, its economy has been outperforming the rest of the nation. Between 2012 and 2016, California accounted for over 17 percent of US job growth. In 2016 California’s GDP grew at nearly twice the rate of the national economy. California is the nation’s leader, and often the world’s, in progressive energy policy and in reducing the per capita consumption of water, fossil fuels, and other natural resources; in creating the technologies of the future; and in celebrating the rich cultural mix that ethnic diversity produces.

That’s part of California’s story. The other part is its own recent history. In 1994, voters passed Proposition 187, an initiative that would have denied undocumented immigrants all public services, including schooling. Just as Trump does today, California back then sought to drive out immigrants, but later came to understand there was no future in that. After all, immigrants provided much of the labor force for the state’s agriculture and service sectors. Now California protects immigrants, and its majority-minority population—white, black, Latino, Asian, and so forth—looks very much like America’s will in another 25 years."

More about Oregon here:

More people are arriving: Oregon remains a top relocation spot, study finds | OregonLive.com
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I sincerely hope CA and OR do well. Maybe then their liberal citizens will leave CO and move back.
 
Chomsky said:
Californian doesn't allow illegals entry. That's your much vaunted federal boys in Washington that can't control the border.
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Then have no problem with building the wall?
 
None of this is breaking news BTW

One link was over a year old.
 
Crovax said:
Its quite obvious that you do :shrug:
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It seems that you are in a mood for laysplaining. Feel free to let me know when you are ready to have a civil conversation. :peace
 
trouble13 said:
Why is it a good thing to allow a state that violates federal laws to give them free acess to harm the rest of the nation?

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California is not violating fed law. If they were, the feds would take them to court, but of course the won't because they would lose.

Instead, the feds are resorting to coerce with federal funding games, what they can't do legally.

Now I don't agree with sanctuary cities, driving licenses, public assistance, etc., as benafits to illegals. I do not believe illegal behaviour should be rewarded. But I do very much believe in federalism & state's rights, and that seems to be the issue here.

But the main problem is the lack of mandating a robust implementation of E-verify, and the fed's failure to secure the border. Both are failures of the federal government.
 
Old Trapper said:
Actually, it will be quite easy if the people ever grow a backbone, and some integrity (especially the so-called "Christian" community), and vote for honest people, and patriots. Oregon, one of the top States in the nation, and California, have done so. I found this article to be interesting for many reasons, however, two paragraphs stood out as I was reading it:

https://www.thenation.com/article/california-shows-how-to-beat-trump-now-and-in-november/

"And yet no place is a more hopeful model for the future than California. Despite recent tax increases and tough environmental laws, its economy has been outperforming the rest of the nation. Between 2012 and 2016, California accounted for over 17 percent of US job growth. In 2016 California’s GDP grew at nearly twice the rate of the national economy. California is the nation’s leader, and often the world’s, in progressive energy policy and in reducing the per capita consumption of water, fossil fuels, and other natural resources; in creating the technologies of the future; and in celebrating the rich cultural mix that ethnic diversity produces.

That’s part of California’s story. The other part is its own recent history. In 1994, voters passed Proposition 187, an initiative that would have denied undocumented immigrants all public services, including schooling. Just as Trump does today, California back then sought to drive out immigrants, but later came to understand there was no future in that. After all, immigrants provided much of the labor force for the state’s agriculture and service sectors. Now California protects immigrants, and its majority-minority population—white, black, Latino, Asian, and so forth—looks very much like America’s will in another 25 years."

More about Oregon here:

More people are arriving: Oregon remains a top relocation spot, study finds | OregonLive.com
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I think California wants a war. Trump should send in the feds, with the power to execute the law with the most amount of force possible. I would join up immediately.
 
Phys251 said:
It seems that you are in a mood for laysplaining. Feel free to let me know when you are ready to have a civil conversation. :peace
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As soon as you learn the difference between metro areas and cities.

Note your quote

Phys251 said:
Texas has multiple major metro areas that are surprisingly progressive
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Old Trapper said:
Actually, it will be quite easy if the people ever grow a backbone, and some integrity (especially the so-called "Christian" community), and vote for honest people, and patriots. Oregon, one of the top States in the nation, and California, have done so. I found this article to be interesting for many reasons, however, two paragraphs stood out as I was reading it:

https://www.thenation.com/article/california-shows-how-to-beat-trump-now-and-in-november/

"And yet no place is a more hopeful model for the future than California. Despite recent tax increases and tough environmental laws, its economy has been outperforming the rest of the nation. Between 2012 and 2016, California accounted for over 17 percent of US job growth. In 2016 California’s GDP grew at nearly twice the rate of the national economy. California is the nation’s leader, and often the world’s, in progressive energy policy and in reducing the per capita consumption of water, fossil fuels, and other natural resources; in creating the technologies of the future; and in celebrating the rich cultural mix that ethnic diversity produces.

That’s part of California’s story. The other part is its own recent history. In 1994, voters passed Proposition 187, an initiative that would have denied undocumented immigrants all public services, including schooling. Just as Trump does today, California back then sought to drive out immigrants, but later came to understand there was no future in that. After all, immigrants provided much of the labor force for the state’s agriculture and service sectors. Now California protects immigrants, and its majority-minority population—white, black, Latino, Asian, and so forth—looks very much like America’s will in another 25 years."

More about Oregon here:

More people are arriving: Oregon remains a top relocation spot, study finds | OregonLive.com
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California is so great people are leaving it by the millions.

They're leaving California for Las Vegas to find the middle-class life that eluded them
 
WCH said:
Then have no problem with building the wall?
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I believe there are other solutions to try firstly, that may be more economically feasible and less disruptive. But if all other reasonable attempts eventually failed, I'd consider it. We cannot have an unsecured boarder, because that's insane.

But I'd need to see some legit impact studies, concerning the environment and the impact of wholesale confiscation of our citizens' private property.

I'd feel better about a wall if I knew it would work, and I saw the feds make legit attempts at conventionally securing the border firstly though.

Perhaps if robust conventional security attempts fail, the solution might be a hybrid mixture of conventional security in some areas, and a wall-like structure in others?
 
Chomsky said:
I believe there are other solutions to try firstly, that may be more economically feasible and less disruptive. But if all other reasonable attempts eventually failed, I'd consider it. We cannot have an unsecured boarder, because that's insane.

But I'd need to see some legit impact studies, concerning the environment and the impact of wholesale confiscation of our citizens' private property.

I'd feel better about a wall if I knew it would work, and I saw the feds make legit attempts at conventionally securing the border firstly though.

Perhaps if robust conventional security attempts fail, the solution might be a hybrid mixture of conventional security in some areas, and a wall-like structure in others?
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I can agree with that. We spent a lot of our own money here in TX doing the job the FedGov woudn't
 
trouble13 said:
The rest of the country should require anyone who attempts to cross the Stateline of California to get into another state to produce a passport. They should be forced to keep every illegal they allow entrance into our country in their state.

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California is the state where the governor Jerry Brown calls illegals Californians
Worse is that the racist liberals move from these locations when the crap gets bad and move on to infect other communities
and states with their failed ideals, like locusts.


Let's go to California where Clinton got all the votes she needs for a plurality:According to CNN
Clinton 8,753,798
Trump 4,483,810

So Clinton won the plurality one state California by 4,270,000 votes
While Trump won the plurality in the other 49 states by over 1,500,000 votes

Apparently this is how 'California Shows How To Beat Trump'
California now populated with 62% minorities. Two Democratic legislators in the state, Senate president Kevin de Leon and
assembly speaker Anthony Rendon, issued a statement about the election results:

"Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic
society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California," State Sen. Leader Kevin de León and Assembly Speaker Anthony
Rendon said in a joint statement, according to ABC News.
 
Chomsky said:
Californian doesn't allow illegals entry. That's your much vaunted federal boys in Washington that can't control the border.
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Fair enough and if they did require people leaving California to provide a passport it would simply be them attempting to control what they are responsible for controlling.

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DarkWizard12 said:
I think California wants a war.
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Holy cow...and you are from Texas?

- Who is constantly whining about secession?
- Who just sent National Guardsman to spy on the Active Duty because Obama was invading?

Great googily moogily.
 
WCH said:
I can agree with that. We spent a lot of our own money here in TX doing the job the FedGov woudn't
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Exactly.

And why isn't E-verify mandated? That should be a no brainer, unless our legislators are protecting business interests over the interests of private citizens?

But I do have an interesting question for you, since you're in a border state:

"Do you have any sense how the owners of the involved private lands, feel about the imminent domain seizures required?"

I have no idea if they are on-board. God knows they are likely already suffering enough, and may be supportive of kicking-in some of their land. But I have no idea. No one likes to lose their property.
 
MSgt said:
Yeah, California, especially southern California, blows.
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Not any better in San Fran or San Jose....I was just listening to a report that said you basically have to be making over $300,000 a year to afford a house in San Francisco.
 
trouble13 said:
Fair enough and if they did require people leaving California to provide a passport it would simply be them attempting to control what they are responsible for controlling.

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Uh, I suspect not.

Feds require passports, not states.

Your passport idea is likely unconstitutional.
 
Crovax said:
As soon as you learn the difference between metro areas and cities.

Note your quote
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Crovax, do you by chance know the meaning of the word "average" as used in statistics? I won't burden you with whether an average is taken over time, or distance, or area. I'm just wondering if you happen to know its definition.
 
Chomsky said:
Exactly.

And why isn't E-verify mandated? That should be a no brainer, unless our legislators are protecting business interests over the interests of private citizens?

But I do have an interesting question for you, since you're in a border state:

"Do you have any sense how the owners of the involved private lands, feel about the imminent domain seizures required?"

I have no idea if they are on-board. God knows they are likely already suffering enough, and may be supportive of kicking-in some of their land. But I have no idea. No one likes to lose their property.
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Maybe they'll take a page from Israel and grab some Mexican dirt while they're at it.
 
Just build the damned wall and extend it up California's eastern border.

We stole it from the Mexicans and now they have it back. Ok, fine.

Karma is a bitch, but it's fair.

Oh yeah......as for the ones that keep sneaking in......we need numbers tattooed on every Mexican's forearm so we can keep track of them more easily.

It will take about 25 years, but we CAN get rid of them.
 
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