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Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?

OlNate said:
I just want to make sure I understand where you're coming from. Now, when you say you don't like liberals, is that all liberals? And how much do you dislike them? Would you refuse to eat at a liberal restaurant? How about a liberal doctor. Would that be ok? Would you piss on a liberal if they were on fire? Would you accept liberal piss if you were on fire?

Again, this is purely so I understand your point of view....understanding is half the battle. So...liberal piss or no liberal piss?
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issue is, what is more harmful Russian influence or liberal influence.
 
James972 said:
issue is, what is more harmful Russian influence or liberal influence.
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No it's not. It's about the fact that you don't like liberals. You've talked about it more than anything else. The idea that you're going to get any sane human being with an IQ in the double digits to say that liberals are more dangerous than Russians is a ridiculous, so let's talk about what you really want...you want to tell liberals to **** off. So I'm here, a liberal, and I'm trying to understand the extent of how much you don't like me. The floor is yours, this is your opportunity. Let me have it. What have I done to you, James, that you don't like me so much...?
 
"Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?"

What's the difference?!? They're both communists ... :lol:
 
James972 said:
Better to have Russians interfere than liberals. they are not aspiring communists as our liberals are. Do you understand?
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Let me just understand your perspective -- a hostile foreign power, that has malintent, and wants to see America in decline is better than liberals, who want the best for American and are disturbed when they see their country debauched.

Thanks for clearing that up!
 
Barnacle said:
"Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?"

What's the difference?!? They're both communists ... :lol:
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That goes down in the, I don't think that word means what you think it means, file.

To equate liberals with communists proves you don't know the difference, or, you are so far on the right edge of the horizon that anything to the left of you looks like communism.

The fact is that liberals believe in a private-enterprise economy, but one in which society’s winners are taxed to pay for a social safety net, which is morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. It’s only right, liberals believe, for the affluent to help the less fortunate.

Communism believes in state owned means of production. If you think that's what liberals believe, cite where any prominent liberal thinks that the government should seize factories.
 
James972 said:
Hillary paid Russians $12 million for info they fed her on Trump. Should she go to jail?
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No, she didn't. You are just spreading propaganda.

The reality, which you intentionally ignore, is that the DNC hired a firm and that firm obtained some information from private citizens, who happened to be Russian. The DNC didn't even know the sources. That's a different universe than the Russian state spending money to interfere with our election. One is legal, the other not -- but you don't make that distinction because you want to remain willfully ignorant, because that satisfies your ideology.
 
MTAtech said:
That goes down in the, I don't think that word means what you think it means, file.

To equate liberals with communists proves you don't know the difference, or, you are so far on the right edge of the horizon that anything to the left of you looks like communism.

The fact is that liberals believe in a private-enterprise economy, but one in which society’s winners are taxed to pay for a social safety net, which is morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. It’s only right, liberals believe, for the affluent to help the less fortunate.

Communism believes in state owned means of production. If you think that's what liberals believe, cite where any prominent liberal thinks that the government should seize factories.
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Communist Bernie speaking ... :lol:

What you just wrote about government seizing factories under communism refers to a different era.
Communist leaders have learned and they "evolved" in their thinking: leave the factories in private hands, but control their financial operation.
 
Barnacle said:
Communist Bernie speaking ... :lol:

What you just wrote about government seizing factories under communism refers to a different era.
Communist leaders have learned and they "evolved" in their thinking: leave the factories in private hands, but control their financial operation.
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Let me address your factual misconception head on. Bernie Sanders calls himself a "Social Democrat." What is a Social Democrat? Like the European party with that name, they believe in neither strict capitalism nor full socialism but a mixed economy -- something like what we already have.

The notion that having such things as Social Security -- provided by the government -- something that Republicans Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon supported, is "socialism," tells us how far down the rabbit hole conservatives have fallen.
 
MTAtech said:
Let me address your factual misconception head on. Bernie Sanders calls himself a "Social Democrat."
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Sanders is a commie with a long history of supporting communism:

. In a speech he gave at the National Committee for Independent Political Action in New York City on June 22, 1989, reprinted in the December 1989 issue of the socialist publication Monthly Review: “In Vermont, everybody knows that I am a socialist"
 
MTAtech said:
To equate liberals with communists proves you don't know the difference,
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big govt liberalism is a route to bigger govt socialism and socialism a route to even bigger communism and another 120 million starved to death


Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
 
MTAtech said:
No, she didn't. You are just spreading propaganda.

The reality, which you intentionally ignore, is that the DNC hired a firm and that firm obtained some information from private citizens, who happened to be Russian. The DNC didn't even know the sources. That's a different universe than the Russian state spending money to interfere with our election. One is legal, the other not -- but you don't make that distinction because you want to remain willfully ignorant, because that satisfies your ideology.
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one day you will be right about something!!

"Foreign nationals are prohibited under 2 USC 441e from directly or indirectly making any kind of contribution, disbursement, expenditure or independent expenditure in our elections," he said. "If you look at the FEC regulation on this,11 CFR 110.20, it explains this statute in great detail. If a campaign is involved in soliciting such participation, they are violating the law."
 
Barnacle said:
Communist Bernie speaking ... :lol:

What you just wrote about government seizing factories under communism refers to a different era.
Communist leaders have learned and they "evolved" in their thinking: leave the factories in private hands, but control their financial operation.
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I don't think so. In last election Sanders said "it is wrong to have 23 deodorant companies while children are going hungry". Do you think deodorant companies are the only companies the communist pretending to be a social democrat or socialist wants to take over?
 
James972 said:
Sanders is a commie with a long history of supporting communism:

. In a speech he gave at the National Committee for Independent Political Action in New York City on June 22, 1989, reprinted in the December 1989 issue of the socialist publication Monthly Review: “In Vermont, everybody knows that I am a socialist"
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Amazingly, that has absolutely nothing to do with communism
 
MTAtech said:
The notion that having such things as Social Security -- provided by the government -- something that Republicans Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon supported, is "socialism," tells us how far down the rabbit hole conservatives have fallen.
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why be so 100% absurd. govt is never big enough for our libcommies until another 120 million have starved to death. Latest is free college and Obamcare. Its Never Enough. Read book by that title if you want to begin your education.
 
James972 said:
what has nothing to do with communism and why doesn't it???
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Socialism has nothing to do with communism.

His comments certainly didn’t make him a communist.

You, on the other hand, have proven your ignorance on the subject.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Socialism has nothing to do with communism.
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socialism is term popularized by Marx to describe point at which society is transitioning to communism. Do you understand now?
 
James972 said:
socialism is term popularized by Marx to describe point at which society is transitioning to communism. Do you understand now?
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Uh....no. Not even close.

“Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11]”

“The first "self-conscious socialist movements developed in the 1820s and 1830s. The Owenites, Saint-Simonians and Fourierists provided a series of coherent analyses and interpretations of society. They also, especially in the case of the Owenites, overlapped with a number of other working-class movements like the Chartists in the United Kingdom".[72] The Chartists gathered significant numbers around the People's Charter of 1838, which demanded the extension of suffrage to all male adults. Leaders in the movement also called for a more equitable distribution of income and better living conditions for the working classes. "The very first trade unions and consumers’ cooperative societies also emerged in the hinterland of the Chartist movement, as a way of bolstering the fight for these demands".[73] ”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
 
James972 said:
I'd rather have Russians since they seem neutral while encouraging demonstrations against both sides (according to Mueller's indictment) and operate on a tiny tiny scale whereas liberals operate on a massive scale supporting big govt schemes that clearly oppose the basic limited govt, carefully enumerated powers spelled out in our Constitution.
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Well "libruls" are definitely more communist. The Russians have already had a bellyful of that crap and know better.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Uh....no. Not even close.

“Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11]”

“The first "self-conscious socialist movements developed in the 1820s and 1830s. The Owenites, Saint-Simonians and Fourierists provided a series of coherent analyses and interpretations of society. They also, especially in the case of the Owenites, overlapped with a number of other working-class movements like the Chartists in the United Kingdom".[72] The Chartists gathered significant numbers around the People's Charter of 1838, which demanded the extension of suffrage to all male adults. Leaders in the movement also called for a more equitable distribution of income and better living conditions for the working classes. "The very first trade unions and consumers’ cooperative societies also emerged in the hinterland of the Chartist movement, as a way of bolstering the fight for these demands".[73] ”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
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Karl Marx (/mɑːrks/; German: [ˈkaɐ̯l ˈmaɐ̯ks]; 5 May 1818 – 14 March 1883) was a German philosopher, economist, historian, political theorist, sociologist, journalist and revolutionary socialist. Born in Trier to a middle-class family, Marx later studied political economy and Hegelian philosophy.
 
James972 said:
Karl Marx (/mɑːrks/; German: [ˈkaɐ̯l ˈmaɐ̯ks]; 5 May 1818 – 14 March 1883) was a German philosopher, economist, historian, political theorist, sociologist, journalist and revolutionary socialist. Born in Trier to a middle-class family, Marx later studied political economy and Hegelian philosophy.
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So in other words you just learned that there were socialist movements well before Marx began his work, and thus socialism is not related to communism.
 
James972 said:
why be so 100% absurd. govt is never big enough for our libcommies until another 120 million have starved to death. Latest is free college and Obamcare. Its Never Enough. Read book by that title if you want to begin your education.
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I am not your mirror image. Conservatives see smaller government as an end in itself, liberals don’t see bigger government the same way. Think about it: while you often see conservatives crow about, say, reducing discretionary spending as a good thing just because the number is down, do you ever see liberals crowing about a rise in spending, never mind what on? Liberals want government to do certain things, like provide essential health care; the size of government per se isn’t the objective.
 
Tigerace117 said:
So in other words you just learned that there were socialist movements well before Marx began his work, and thus socialism is not related to communism.
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lol...no, he didn't. But nice job attempting to educate him. Thing is, though, these tired talking points have been defeated a million times before, and the thing I realize is that it doesn't have anything to do with being right or wrong, it is simply an opportunity for folks to vent about people they don't like. Calling someone a communist is the biggest insult they can manage on the political front, and they don't care if the educated people in the room know they are clueless.

Best to let him spout his nonsense and get it out of his system. There's no way this thread deserves 33 pages of replies...hehe :)
 
OlNate said:
lol...no, he didn't. But nice job attempting to educate him. Thing is, though, these tired talking points have been defeated a million times before, and the thing I realize is that it doesn't have anything to do with being right or wrong, it is simply an opportunity for folks to vent about people they don't like. Calling someone a communist is the biggest insult they can manage on the political front, and they don't care if the educated people in the room know they are clueless.

Best to let him spout his nonsense and get it out of his system. There's no way this thread deserves 33 pages of replies...hehe :)
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True....James972 owes people millions of dollars from his ill advised internet "bets" as well.
 
MTAtech said:
I am not your mirror image. Conservatives see smaller government as an end in itself,
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yes small govt and individual liberty was the genius idea of our founders since govt had been the source of evil in human history. We wish HItler Stalin and Mao has been conservatives. We wish LBJ had been conservative and not turned our inner cities into Chi-Raqs. We wish evil govt had not taken over our health care system and driven up the prices 5 times over free market prices for worse care. Now do you understand?
 
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