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Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?

StuPedaso said:
Not that long ... yet. Shall I add you? Seriously James stays awake nights thinking up inflammatory topics; you can if you like but I'm not going to bother with his BS.
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Hmm. And how would you know that, in terms of longer term volume?
 
James972 said:
if so why so afraid to say what is bad in the Republican party
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I do all the time. I have called them the do nothing party and the democrats are the resistance. Between the 2 of them nothing gets done for the people. Now when the rich and powerful bankers need trillions of dollars for their screw up it is done immediately. The president signs it before they finish voting. For the people losing their homes well no money for them. George H W Bush pushing for NAFTA had me voting for Clinton. Who immediately pushed it through congress for the rich and powerful. That is when I realized neither party has any interest in the people only their rich and powerful masters. I don't see the rich and powerful lining up to pay the Clintons millions of dollars now that she is not going to be president. Anyone who couldn't figure out they were bribes has the IQ of brick. Both parties are funded by the rich and powerful. The bankers fund both parties equally. The don't care who we vote for they own both parties. They just provide us with the allusion of choice. You can vote for our man R or D.
 
James972 said:
well Friedman said starve the beast. All liberals have to do is cut welfare spend and there is no bankruptcy. Its a win/win!! Do you understand?
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Milton Friedman never said that. Friedman was a conservative economist and primarily a monetarist. You know nothing of Friedman.

The earliest use of the actual term "starving the beast" to refer to the political-fiscal strategy (as opposed to its conceptual premise) was in a Wall Street Journal article in 1985, wherein the reporter quoted an unnamed Reagan staffer. ( "Starve the Beast: Origins and Development of a Budgetary Metaphor". The Independent Review. Independent.org. The Independent Institute. Retrieved 2010-12-09.)
 
Vern said:
GC, don't cowardly cut and run from your own words yet. here's another conservative proving your "the entire public is usually pretty much in agreement about the punishing any caught culprits" narrative false.



and don't forget you also posted "libruls are mindless minions." You've posted nothing to support that obedient narrative either. I have proven that conservatives are mindless minions. Okay, you can cowardly cut and run from your own words now.
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Saying all liberals are mindless minions is idiotic, just as much as saying all conservatives are mindless minions.

Though that also means you have to prove that I am a completely transcribed conservative, which I am not. So that already blows the stupidity posted above, out of the water.

Not really much to say, other then suggesting you stop putting that foot in your mouth.
 
Vern said:
yes GC, you tried to cowardly cut and run before. But your "condition" forced you to again obediently flail at the facts I posted. You have to choose GC, do you want to cowardly cut and run or do you want to obediently flail at the facts. Anyhoo, I responded to your "libruls are mindless minions" assertion with actual examples that show conservatives are mindless minions. You've posted nothing to back your assertion. I've also responded to your "the entire public is usually pretty much in agreement about the punishing any caught culprits" narrative with two examples that show that conservatives are perfectly fine with Russian interference. You now claim my posts prove your assertions. I've asked you to back that up. You continue to cowardly deflect from my posts. Why do you think that's acceptable?
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no.

Unfortunately, you said you wanted to engage but then when I questioned you, you went directly to avoidance. I am not chasing you around to try to pull you towards the truth, you just stubbornly have no intention of coming closer to the light. So, a fake attempt at a conversation has its consequences.
 
James972 said:
I'd rather have Russians since they seem neutral while encouraging demonstrations against both sides (according to Mueller's indictment) and operate on a tiny tiny scale whereas liberals operate on a massive scale supporting big govt schemes that clearly oppose the basic limited govt, carefully enumerated powers spelled out in our Constitution.
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And your point ? Other than you would rather support Putin and his killing of children rather than a Dem. Have at it, go over to Russia, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out. Good riddance !!
 
Oborosen said:
Saying all liberals are mindless minions is idiotic, just as much as saying all conservatives are mindless minions.
Though that also means you have to prove that I am a completely transcribed conservative, which I am not. So that already blows the stupidity posted above, out of the water.
Not really much to say, other then suggesting you stop putting that foot in your mouth.
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Oh O, you can quibble about the word “all” that’s not in my post but you cant quibble about my point. GC claimed “liberals are mindless minions”. He posted nothing to back up his claim. I listed several official lying conservative narratives that large percentages if not a majority of conservatives believed. Hence proving conservatives are in fact mindless minions. You can’t argue my point so you argue the word “all.”

And O, you can quibble about being called a conservative but that’s an issue for your psychologist not me.
 
cuban smokes said:
I would prefer that no one from no where would interfere in any election within the US ..............
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Should we ban all international contact to protect us from dangerous thoughts ?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
no.

Unfortunately, you said you wanted to engage but then when I questioned you, you went directly to avoidance. I am not chasing you around to try to pull you towards the truth, you just stubbornly have no intention of coming closer to the light. So, a fake attempt at a conversation has its consequences.
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Oh GC, can you ever be honest? when you finally tried to "engage" me I told you your post made no sense. I find conservatives tend to babble when they are trying to extricate themselves from their own silly posts. Again, I’ve responded directly to your posts. I even responded directly to your attempts to cowardly cut and run from the conversation. Here’s your first two replies to me after I showed you your obedient narratives were false.

Gaugingcatenate said:
Wow.
The fact that you actually believe all that is really rather scary. Here's my answer in the form of a question: what should one do when confronted by a person loudly muttering crazy stuff to themself on a subway platform?
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Uh, huh.
Truth is truth. No brag, just fact.
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Yes GC, deflection, dishonest, incoherent and now feigning umbrage are all you got. You’re simply at that point in the conversation where you are looking for any excuse to cowardly cut and run without admitting you’re cowardly cutting and running. Maybe it would be best for your delicate ego to just cowardly cut and run already.

(again GC, notice how I respond directly to your post. You should try it sometime)
 
Vern said:
Oh GC, can you ever be honest? when you finally tried to "engage" me I told you your post made no sense. I find conservatives tend to babble when they are trying to extricate themselves from their own silly posts. Again, I’ve responded directly to your posts. I even responded directly to your attempts to cowardly cut and run from the conversation. Here’s your first two replies to me after I showed you your obedient narratives were false.




Yes GC, deflection, dishonest, incoherent and now feigning umbrage are all you got. You’re simply at that point in the conversation where you are looking for any excuse to cowardly cut and run without admitting you’re cowardly cutting and running. Maybe it would be best for your delicate ego to just cowardly cut and run already.

(again GC, notice how I respond directly to your post. You should try it sometime)
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I just make assessments on what is a complete waste of my time and what is deserving of my efforts.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
I just make assessments on what is a complete waste of my time and what is deserving of my efforts.
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so you admit you made no attempt to engage me in an honest and intelligent fashion. That's okay, how else can you respond when I prove your two points are not only false but laughably so. But GC, this is a debate forum. If you're going to constantly dishonestly deflect y and then cowardly cut and run, why are you at a debate forum? I think what you're looking for is a chatroom.
 
yankintx said:
you would rather support Putin and his killing of children rather than a Dem.
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who was talking about Putin and children? OP is about Russian influence on our election against mostly liberals. Now do you understand?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Between the 2 of them nothing gets done for the people.
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1) why would anything get done when the system is set up to impede or slow down getting things done as much as possible on theory that govt action is likely to be mistaken

2) why would anything much get done when idiot voters send equal numbers of each opposing party to govt??

system is working perfectly well actually voters are center left and country has been drifting that way for 100 years. Do you understand?
 
SirGareth said:
Should we ban all international contact to protect us from dangerous thoughts ?
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and who is to say that international influence is less worthy than the influence promoted in our own absurd 30 second TV commercials?
 
Vern said:
“liberals are mindless minions”. He posted nothing to back up his claim..
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give us a break. Liberals look at how China switched to Republican capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planet's poverty and all they want is to switch to socialism!! How is that for utterly mindless??
 
MTAtech said:
Milton Friedman never said that. [starve the beast] Friedman was a conservative economist and primarily a monetarist. You know nothing of Friedman.
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feel embarrassed yet?


Starve the beast ... - American Enterprise Institute
https://www.aei.org/publication/starve-the-beast/
Jan 14, 2013 - Starve the beast … Protect the middle class. View related content: Politics and Public Opinion. Reuters. U.S. President Barack Obama visits members of ... That idea was associated with the libertarian economist Milton Friedman, who argued that spending amounted to the sum of available revenues and the .
 
Vern said:
comrade, I'm unconcerned with your whiny and false "nuh uhs". I asked you to please show me the nine times you asked for examples of conservatives being "mindless minions". Notice how you only repeated your narrative.
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subject is, you said conservatives are crazy. I asked for evidence on that important subject and you are trying to change subject to utter trivia. Do you know why you are afraid of important subject? What has the liberal learned from his fear?
 
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Vern said:
so you admit you made no attempt to engage me in an honest and intelligent fashion. That's okay, how else can you respond when I prove your two points are not only false but laughably so. But GC, this is a debate forum. If you're going to constantly dishonestly deflect y and then cowardly cut and run, why are you at a debate forum? I think what you're looking for is a chatroom.
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Say whatever you need to get you through, brother.
 
James972 said:
feel embarrassed yet?


Starve the beast ... - American Enterprise Institute
https://www.aei.org/publication/starve-the-beast/
Jan 14, 2013 - Starve the beast … Protect the middle class. View related content: Politics and Public Opinion. Reuters. U.S. President Barack Obama visits members of ... That idea was associated with the libertarian economist Milton Friedman, who argued that spending amounted to the sum of available revenues and the .
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You originally said Friedman coined the phrase, which is false. Your link said (I highlighted the operative words):
This argument—that keeping middle-class taxes low serves the cause of limited government—has much in common with what has been called the “starve the beast” theory: the theory, that is, that depriving the government of revenues will restrain spending. That idea was associated with the libertarian economist Milton Friedman, who argued that spending amounted to the sum of available revenues and the maximum politically acceptable deficit. That equation made controlling revenue seem to be the key to controlling spending.
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Friedman never argued that taxes should be cut to make an excuse to cut social programs, which is what starve the beast amounts to.
 
James972 said:
I'd rather have Russians since they seem neutral while encouraging demonstrations against both sides (according to Mueller's indictment) and operate on a tiny tiny scale whereas liberals operate on a massive scale supporting big govt schemes that clearly oppose the basic limited govt, carefully enumerated powers spelled out in our Constitution.
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You should have made this a poll.

:D

I choose Russians!

No hesitation.
 
Vern said:
Oh O, you can quibble about the word “all” that’s not in my post but you cant quibble about my point. GC claimed “liberals are mindless minions”. He posted nothing to back up his claim. I listed several official lying conservative narratives that large percentages if not a majority of conservatives believed. Hence proving conservatives are in fact mindless minions. You can’t argue my point so you argue the word “all.”

And O, you can quibble about being called a conservative but that’s an issue for your psychologist not me.
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Seeing as you were lying outright from the start, or that you just forget how to word a proper statement. Are two issues that I don't really care for at this point.

Besides, the OP isn't what I was addressing in the first place.
What does that foot taste like anyway?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Say whatever you need to get you through, brother.
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GC, my point still stands. This is a debate forum. If you're going to constantly dishonestly deflect and then cowardly cut and run, why are you at a debate forum? I think what you're looking for is a chatroom.
 
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