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Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?

Old Trapper said:
You people really have no clue as to what Liberalism is, do you?
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Obama had 3 communist parents supports single payer and voted to left of Sanders and now Sanders runs the Party. Liberals are communists and always were!

you've been brainwashed but do you want to be a liberal all your life?

Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
 
Old Trapper said:
I understand your lack of knowledge, and not only of history but current events. While Trump has given an additional 1 Trillion dollars to the wealth he has also added 1.5 trillion to the national debt,
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so???Trump is not a conservative and does not control the govt. Do you know this now???
 
Mycroft said:
I consider all of them to be Mainstream Media. I consider all of them to be interfering with our election.

I don't want a media that tells people what to think. I don't want a media who trots out talking potato heads to give their interpretation of events or facts.

I want a media that presents facts. I want a media that asks questions without arguing about the answers.

I am capable of interpreting facts. I am capable of evaluating answers.

The Mainstream Media is interfering in the election process by trying to get people to think as THEY do. I'll think as I do.
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So it would seem to me that you don't spend alot of time reading the news, instead it would appear to me that you watch commentators like Ratchel Maddow or Sean Hannity or perhaps you read editorials. But my proposition is to read the news reports in both the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal for one week to see how much the two differ or doesn't differ.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Its a hard question, more nuanced than one might expect.

The libs are more stupid and bungling, so easier to actually catch in the act. But they have 30% of the population, minions marching in mindless lockstep to whatever silly tune they start playing...so even with evidence abounding, caught red handed they say, see, Trump did it, Trump bad man.

The Russians are more secretive and cunning, hard to catch. But once caught the entire public is usually pretty much in agreement about the punishing any caught culprits.
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You assertions are rediculous and not accurate.
 
Rich123 said:
So it would seem to me that you don't spend alot of time reading the news, instead it would appear to me that you watch commentators like Ratchel Maddow or Sean Hannity or perhaps you read editorials. But my proposition is to read the news reports in both the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal for one week to see how much the two differ or doesn't differ.
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I get news from a lot of sources, but I tend to stay away from the talking potato heads.
 
RESULT: No liberals allowed to participate in elections, thus the United States of America now operates as a one-party system, and yet the BOT James972 believes this to be democracy.
And his lickspittle admirers go along with this because they are such patriots too?
Imagine, 2018 and they salute Putin.

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HowardBThiname said:
This is the kind of brainless post that got us into this mess in the first place. This is the sort of crybaby sentiment found in North Korea where the baby Kim shakes his little fists in rage when other nations speak out against him -- and he views their opinions as attacks on his nation.

Way to set foreign policy back a century with intellectually dishonest rhetoric.
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,HowardB, that is the most rediculous proposition so far. How is recognizing that our country was attacked brainless? It's the reluctance to accept what all,(Yes All) of our intelligence agencies have said was true that is brainless. That we were attacked by the Russian governmennt and we need to take overt actions to twart further attacks. Saying that a nation's leader is "Little Rocket Man" doesn't achieve complience ,it creates unnecessary anamousity and further exaserbates an already tense situation. That's Brainless. Your arrogant stuborn stance to accept what all our intlligence agencies say is true, the fact that we were attack, is brainless. Shame on you, your doing Putin's work for him.
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you're saying that Hillary and the DNC should not have colluded against Bernie?
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That is a miss use of the word colluded. If I am on a team that is in a fair competition against another team, I am not colluding with my team mates to attempt to achieve a victory. Collusion occurs when a person who is own a team, but plots with the opposing team to attempt to cause their loss of the team they claim to be a member of. Please , I don't mean to seem tutorial but you did use the word incorrectly.
 
Paperview said:
America was attacked by a hostile foreign government, and all you care about is protecting the attack, future attacks, and that hostile foreign government.

Nice going.
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Maybe we should lead by example. If we stop interfering in other governments we would actually have a legitimate beef. As long as we are constantly interfering in every government on the planet and their process of determining their leaders I have to support Russia and their basically telling us to f--k off. We are clearly 2 faced bigots. That is the proper term for people who do unto others and cry when they do unto us.
 
I think no one from other countries should interfere in the process by which countries determine their leaders or the type of government they choose to have. As a US citizen I cannot tell other people from other countries how to rule themselves. However as a US citizen I am sickened and appalled that we interfere in so many other countries business to support the interest of the rich and powerful who clearly own our government. I also do not want to be associated with the 2 faced bigots who cry about Russia interfering in our election when we have been doing the exact same thing. If and when we clean up our act and put our house in order then and only then will I cry foul when someone else does this to us.
 
James972 said:
I'd rather have Russians since they seem neutral while encouraging demonstrations against both sides (according to Mueller's indictment) and operate on a tiny tiny scale whereas liberals operate on a massive scale supporting big govt schemes that clearly oppose the basic limited govt, carefully enumerated powers spelled out in our Constitution.
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That's an unbelievable comment to make. Maybe you should check your citizen status?

I think many of you Trump supporters actually believe that Vladimir Putin is our friend, and probably wouldn't mind if he moved his desk into the oval office.

It was just 2-1/2 years ago that Russians hacked into the PENTAGON, and it was moving so fast through the Joint Chiefs of Staffs emails, they had to shut it down for 2 weeks to replace hardware and software.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-hack-almost-brought-the-u-s-military-to-its-knees/

They are constantly trying to get into our electric grid systems, especially if they're feeding U.S. military bases, and critical national security buildings.
DHS, FBI Warn Companies of Ongoing Cyber Attacks on Critical Infrastructure

I was very amused by the comment that the Russian in charge of invading social media outlets with advertisements said. He stated: "Americans are very impressionable."

A Russian businessman known as “Putin’s chef” who was indicted Friday by federal prosecutors says “Americans are very impressionable people.”
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The Latest: 13 Russians accused of plot to disrupt election - News - MetroWest Daily News, Framingham, MA - Framingham, MA

Well heck yeah they are--how else could a T.V. Reality star conman win the Presidency if Americans weren't "impressionable people.":lamo No brains but they're impressed.

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Of course 2 years after the hacking of the Pentagon, Trump suggested to Vladimir Putin that we form a joint cyber security unit with them--

That didn't go over to well in the Senate: :spank:

The idea appeared to be a political non-starter. It was immediately scorned by several of Trump’s fellow Republicans, who questioned why the United States would work with Russia after Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.

“It’s not the dumbest idea I have ever heard but it’s pretty close,” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told NBC’s “Meet the Press” program.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...th-russia-after-harsh-criticism-idUSKBN19U0P4
Trump appears to back off joint 'Cyber Security unit' with Russia after criticism | Fox News
 
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I'd rather have no one interfere with our elections.
 
James972 said:
Obama had 3 communist parents supports single payer and voted to left of Sanders and now Sanders runs the Party. Liberals are communists and always were!
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Obviously you do not understand what communism is anymore then you understand what liberalism is, how the Courts work, or much of anything else. In other words, the perfect Trumpkin.

you've been brainwashed but do you want to be a liberal all your life?
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Sad part is I used to think like you, then I grew up, and learned how to think for myself. Now I don't support any party, and vote for those who have actually served their country, and shown their patriotism, not a bunch of lying cowards.

Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
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LOL< Norman Thomas? Really? Get a clue fool. Socialism is not communism, and America has always had a certain degree of socialism. Of course, then it was branded as Christianity. But hell, the support of Trump showed that even that has gone by the side.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/what-the-founding-fathers-beli

And for goodness sake, quit listening to Faux News:

https://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/socialism.asp
 
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Mycroft said:
I don't care about the Russians. I don't care about the liberals.

But I DO care about the Mainstream Media interfering in our elections.
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Then you have a problem with Freedom of Speech and the Constitution.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Bolded the relevant parts. Now, unlike the second amendment, this one has clear language and really can't be debated on technicalities. Can something specifically protected by the Constitution be considered an interference in a process it's supposed to scrutinize, and that scrutinization is exactly why it's protected? I don't think it can. Seems to me, the whole point of including the press in the 1st Amendment is to protect it when it criticizes our leaders.

Why do you hate the Constitution?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Then you have a problem with Freedom of Speech and the Constitution.



Bolded the relevant parts. Now, unlike the second amendment, this one has clear language and really can't be debated on technicalities. Can something specifically protected by the Constitution be considered an interference in a process it's supposed to scrutinize, and that scrutinization is exactly why it's protected? I don't think it can. Seems to me, the whole point of including the press in the 1st Amendment is to protect it when it criticizes our leaders.

Why do you hate the Constitution?
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I've said nothing about making laws.
 
Oreo said:
It was just 2-1/2 years ago that Russians hacked into the PENTAGON, and it was moving so fast through the Joint Chiefs of Staffs emails, they had to shut it down for 2 weeks to replace hardware and software.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-hack-almost-brought-the-u-s-military-to-its-knees/

They are constantly trying to get into our electric grid systems, especially if they're feeding U.S. military bases, and critical national security buildings.
DHS, FBI Warn Companies of Ongoing Cyber Attacks on Critical Infrastructure
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If you keep looking back into history you will see that Russia has been hacking us since ww2 and before. I love the way the uninformed act like this latest hack is something new. The Russians knew about the Manhattan project before even the vice president. The only difference now is the DNC got exposed for their corruption. Putin made a fool out of the democrats and the FBI by exposing the corruption in our election process that the FBI should have been on top of.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
The libs are more stupid and bungling, so easier to actually catch in the act. But they have 30% of the population, minions marching in mindless lockstep to whatever silly tune they start playing...so even with evidence abounding, caught red handed they say, see, Trump did it, Trump bad man.

The Russians are more secretive and cunning, hard to catch. But once caught the entire public is usually pretty much in agreement about the punishing any caught culprits.
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says a guy in the group who believed President Obama was born in Kenya, his BC a forgery, the stimulus will cause hyper inflation, dollar collapse, market to zero and still believe the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies. And now he posts "once the Russians are caught the entire public is usually pretty much in agreement about the punishing any caught culprits" in a thread titled "Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?" just like everything else you believe, its a lie or a delusion. And now with evidence abounding, caught red handed cue the "but but Hillary"
 
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Rich123 said:
You assertions are rediculous and not accurate.
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Well, that was such a fact filled repudiation of my positions that you surely convinced me. I mean what can I really say except maybe in the genre of, " I know you are but what am I?", eh?
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well to be fair GC, there were no facts in your post. Just delusion. Oh, and I forgot to mention "death panels" above as one of the examples of "minions marching in mindless lockstep to whatever silly tune their conservative masters start playing"
 
James972 said:
I'd rather have Russians since they seem neutral while encouraging demonstrations against both sides (according to Mueller's indictment) and operate on a tiny tiny scale whereas liberals operate on a massive scale supporting big govt schemes that clearly oppose the basic limited govt, carefully enumerated powers spelled out in our Constitution.
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Inane? insane? I would say obediently ignorant. Your little screed leaves out the fact that the "counter protests" were after the election. Once Russian helped the Trumpster Fire[SUP]©[/SUP] get elected they set about causing more discord and chaos. As you desperately look for an excuse to not hold Russia accountable you had to rely on ignorance not fact.

oooooooo James, can you do me a favor, can you tell Gaugingcatenate you are not "in agreement about the punishing any caught culprits." thanks in advance.
 
Rich123 said:
That is a miss use of the word colluded. If I am on a team that is in a fair competition against another team, I am not colluding with my team mates to attempt to achieve a victory. Collusion occurs when a person who is own a team, but plots with the opposing team to attempt to cause their loss of the team they claim to be a member of. Please , I don't mean to seem tutorial but you did use the word incorrectly.
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LOL. Everyone but you seems to admit that Hillary and the DNC colluded against Bernie.
 
Vern said:
says a guy in the group who believed President Obama was born in Kenya, his BC a forgery, the stimulus will cause hyper inflation, dollar collapse, market to zero and still believe the vile and disgusting "stand down" lies. And now he posts "once the Russians are caught the entire public is usually pretty much in agreement about the punishing any caught culprits" in a thread titled "Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?" just like everything else you believe, its a lie or a delusion. And now with evidence abounding, caught red handed cue the "but but Hillary"
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Wow.

The fact that you actually believe all that is really rather scary. Here's my answer in the form of a question: what should one do when confronted by a person loudly muttering crazy stuff to themself on a subway platform?
 
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