Trump action made it easier for mentally ill to buy guns

Rogue Valley · Feb 15, 2018

Trump action made it easier for mentally ill to buy guns

Donald Trump said:
Annalisa Merelli
February 15, 2018

Yesterday, hours after 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz killed at least 17 people in a Florida high school, president Donald Trump was reportedly urged by White House staff to make a formal statement. Although he chose to wait until later on Feb. 15 to address the nation, he did soon tweet about the incident. In a tweet early this morning, Trump framed the shooting it as he has done in the past, describing Cruz as a disturbed and “erratic” individual. The trouble is, Trump has made it much easier for mentally-disturbed Americans to buy guns in the United States.

Donald Trump said:

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So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!
6:12 AM - Feb 15, 2018

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In February last year, the president signed a bill to overturn Obama-era regulations that restricted people with severe mental problems from buying guns. Those restrictions had been put into place after the 2012 massacre of schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut, by a young man with a history of mental illness. Before it was repealed, the rule had required the Social Security Administration to notify the FBI of any disability insurance recipients found mentally incapable of handling their finances. The individuals would then be added to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)—and disqualified from buying guns. By signing the law, Trump made it easier for an estimated 75,000 mentally unstable people to buy weapons. Through his presidency, Trump also removed more people from the NICS, effectively allowing them to buy guns: About 500,000 “fugitives from justice,” or people who have crossed state lines to avoid prosecution, were allowed to buy guns. More recently, in his 2019 budget, the president proposed deep cuts to funding for background checks on gun purchasers.

I have no idea what benefits Trump foresaw by repealing such common-sense background regulations. His 2019 federal budget deeply slashes funding for gun-purchase background checks.

Related: America is failing to treat its mentally ill, while making it possible for them to buy guns

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Parrish · Feb 15, 2018

Perhaps because they are part of his base?

AlbqOwl · Feb 15, 2018

Rogue Valley said:
Trump action made it easier for mentally ill to buy guns

I have no idea what benefits Trump foresaw by repealing such common-sense background regulations. His 2019 federal budget deeply slashes funding for gun-purchase background checks.

Related: America is failing to treat its mentally ill, while making it possible for them to buy guns

House Votes To Overturn Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill

Trump’s Budget Cuts Millions Of Dollars From Gun Background Check System

If you are going to go there in this debate, let's at least keep the premise of the argument accurate:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment

Please note the last paragraph in this argument:

. . . A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight. . .

tres borrachos · Feb 15, 2018

Rogue Valley said:
Trump action made it easier for mentally ill to buy guns

I have no idea what benefits Trump foresaw by repealing such common-sense background regulations. His 2019 federal budget deeply slashes funding for gun-purchase background checks.

Related: America is failing to treat its mentally ill, while making it possible for them to buy guns

House Votes To Overturn Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill

Trump’s Budget Cuts Millions Of Dollars From Gun Background Check System

And along with everything else, this is going to hurt the GOP in November and beyond.

Contrary to what a few people say, most Americans at this point are deeply disturbed by kids getting shot in their schools.

Spartacus FPV · Feb 15, 2018

tres borrachos said:
And along with everything else, this is going to hurt the GOP in November and beyond.

Contrary to what a few people say, most Americans at this point are deeply disturbed by kids getting shot in their schools.

Who the **** is saying otherwise? You are a complete liar.

faithful_servant · Feb 15, 2018

AlbqOwl said:
If you are going to go there in this debate, let's at least keep the premise of the argument accurate:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment

Please note the last paragraph in this argument:

. . . A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight. . .

Oops. You gave truth to a TDS suffering liberal and now they will be excusing, diverting, apologizing and denying until the cows come home. The one thing they won't do is admit that they were mistaken.

tres borrachos · Feb 15, 2018

AlbqOwl said:
If you are going to go there in this debate, let's at least keep the premise of the argument accurate:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment

Please note the last paragraph in this argument:

. . . A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight. . .

You posted a partisan blog.

The Obama rule added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. And this is a bad idea...why?

Oh yes, due process. Like all those kids in Sandy Hook got.

Rich123 · Feb 15, 2018

AlbqOwl said:
If you are going to go there in this debate, let's at least keep the premise of the argument accurate:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment

Please note the last paragraph in this argument:

. . . A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight. . .

I heard the sheriff say that people who are determined to committ mass murder are near impossible to stop. They could get a truck or car and mow down many at a time. I think that's a fair point but it's hard to do that in a building. Only a high output weapon can accomplish that sort of carnage in a building such as a school or event. Without a AR 15 Mr. Cruz couldn't have killed 17 innocent people.
Fufther more the mentally ill would have one less tool to commit their mayhem.
The president wants us talking about the mentally ill instead of talking about banning such weapons because the NRA uses Kremlin money to make Trump and the Republicans complient.

Rich123 · Feb 15, 2018

Spartacus FPV said:
Who the **** is saying otherwise? You are a complete liar.

Alex Jones says Newtown is a hoax for one. He doesn't seem too disturbed by children being murdered in their classrooms so that gun manufacturers and the filthy gun lobby can prosper.

Rich123 · Feb 15, 2018

faithful_servant said:
Oops. nmmYou gave truth to a TDS suffering liberal and now they will be excusing, diverting, apologizing and denying until the cows come home. The one thing they won't do is admit that they were mistaken.

Oops doesn't ban needless weapons such as AR15.
So it addresses mentally ill, what about terrorist.
It's a fake assertion, still doing the GUN MANUFACTURERS bidding.

Brochacholomigo · Feb 15, 2018

Rich123 said:
Alex Jones says Newtown is a hoax for one. He doesn't seem too disturbed by children being murdered in their classrooms so that gun manufacturers and the filthy gun lobby can prosper.

I heard someone mention Meme Daddy's name, and came running. What's going on?

Moon · Feb 15, 2018

AlbqOwl said:
If you are going to go there in this debate, let's at least keep the premise of the argument accurate:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment

Please note the last paragraph in this argument:

. . . A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight. . .

Spot on.

Moon · Feb 15, 2018

tres borrachos said:
You posted a partisan blog.

The Obama rule added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. And this is a bad idea...why?

Oh yes, due process. Like all those kids in Sandy Hook got.

Sorry, but constitutional protections trump emotional responses every day, even in the face of a horrible event like this.

Unless you think the shooter should just be executed by the government before he goes to trial. At least that would be a consistent position.

tres borrachos · Feb 15, 2018

Moon said:
Sorry, but constitutional protections trump emotional responses every day, even in the face of a horrible event like this.

Unless you think the shooter should just be executed by the government before he goes to trial. At least that would be a consistent position.

I have no idea why you posted that. Did I say anything about someone being executed in that post, Moon?

faithful_servant · Feb 15, 2018

Rich123 said:
Oops doesn't ban needless weapons such as AR15.
So it addresses mentally ill, what about terrorist.
It's a fake assertion, still doing the GUN MANUFACTURERS bidding.

Shiny side OUT. Why is that so hard to learn???

tres borrachos · Feb 15, 2018

Rich123 said:
Alex Jones says Newtown is a hoax for one. He doesn't seem too disturbed by children being murdered in their classrooms so that gun manufacturers and the filthy gun lobby can prosper.

That man should be ashamed of himself for that. I've met Jessica Rekos' parents. Maybe he wants to take a trip to her grave to see how real she was.

ReverendHellh0und · Feb 15, 2018

The rule was rightfully overturned as it violated due process laws of our constitution.

Roadvirus · Feb 15, 2018

Rogue Valley said:
Trump action made it easier for mentally ill to buy guns

I have no idea what benefits Trump foresaw by repealing such common-sense background regulations. His 2019 federal budget deeply slashes funding for gun-purchase background checks.

Related: America is failing to treat its mentally ill, while making it possible for them to buy guns

House Votes To Overturn Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill

Trump’s Budget Cuts Millions Of Dollars From Gun Background Check System

I had a feeling Trump would be blamed for this somehow.

I stubbed my toe. Damn that Trump!!!!

Roadvirus · Feb 15, 2018

AlbqOwl said:
If you are going to go there in this debate, let's at least keep the premise of the argument accurate:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/15/no-trump-did-not-make-it-easier-for-ment

Please note the last paragraph in this argument:

. . . A year ago, Congress and Trump eliminated a proposed rule that would have included in the federal government gun background database people who received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments.

This is a regulation that potentially deprived between 75,000 to 80,000 people of a right based not on what they had done but on the basis of being classified by the government in a certain way. The fact that these people may have these impairments did not inherently mean that they were dangerous to themselves or others and needed to be kept away from guns.

As I noted when the regulation was repealed last March, this rule violated not just the Second Amendment but the Fourth, because it deprived the affected people of a right without due process. The government does have the power to restrict and even deny gun ownership to people, but it has to show that these people have engaged in behavior that makes weapons dangerous in their hands.

That's why the regulation was opposed not just by National Rifle Association (NRA) but by several mental health and disability groups and by the American Civil Liberties Union. Pundits largely ignored the latter groups' opposition to the rule, preferring to play up the power of the NRA and their influence on Republicans to turn the issue into a partisan fight. . .

You just upset the Anti-Trumpers with facts. Shame on you.

Moon · Feb 15, 2018

tres borrachos said:
I have no idea why you posted that. Did I say anything about someone being executed in that post, Moon?

Specifically? No. But you certainly discount due process when it comes to taking people's constitutionally protected rights away. Wasn't sure how far that disdain for due process went.

Moon · Feb 15, 2018

ReverendHellh0und said:
The rule was rightfully overturned as it violated due process laws of our constitution.

It's frightening how many people don't seem to get that.

Roadvirus · Feb 15, 2018

Rich123 said:
The president wants us talking about the mentally ill instead of talking about banning such weapons because the NRA uses Kremlin money to make Trump and the Republicans complient.

Do you have any solid evidence to back that up?

I'll wait.

Goshin · Feb 15, 2018

Rogue Valley said:
Trump action made it easier for mentally ill to buy guns

I have no idea what benefits Trump foresaw by repealing such common-sense background regulations. His 2019 federal budget deeply slashes funding for gun-purchase background checks.

Related: America is failing to treat its mentally ill, while making it possible for them to buy guns

House Votes To Overturn Rule Restricting Gun Sales To The Severely Mentally Ill

Trump’s Budget Cuts Millions Of Dollars From Gun Background Check System

None of which applied to the recent shooter.

Casper · Feb 15, 2018

Rich123 said:
I heard the sheriff say that people who are determined to committ mass murder are near impossible to stop. They could get a truck or car and mow down many at a time. I think that's a fair point but it's hard to do that in a building. Only a high output weapon can accomplish that sort of carnage in a building such as a school or event. Without a AR 15 Mr. Cruz couldn't have killed 17 innocent people.
Fufther more the mentally ill would have one less tool to commit their mayhem.
The president wants us talking about the mentally ill instead of talking about banning such weapons because the NRA uses Kremlin money to make Trump and the Republicans complient.

Anyone proficient with firearms could have done the same damage with a couple of handguns, so much for your knowledge on firearms and their use......

Casper · Feb 15, 2018

Goshin said:
None of which applied to the recent shooter.

Correct, he had not been deemed to be mentally ill prior to the shooting and did not have a criminal history that would prohibit him from buying a firearm. As we both know more gun laws are not the end game here with some, it is a total removal of the 2nd A and confiscation of all existing firearms. Never happen.

Trump action made it easier for mentally ill to buy guns

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