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    Re: The latest left wing newspeak meme

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, didn't mean to wade into a feud there.

    All I know is I've seen responses to my posts many times that invoke "the left" or "liberals" and therefore effectively accuse me of hypocrisy when I never said or believe any such thing. When I ask to be quoted, actual positions I have embraced demonstrated, if I'm going to be accused of hypocrisy, I get crickets. That's what I was referring to, and the more general tactic of responding to a named person (like me, or you) with generalized comments invoking the alleged hypocrisy of roughly 100 million people (i.e. the right, or the left).
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    Re: The latest left wing newspeak meme

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    This is way off topic, but can you explain to me how Barney Frank, a Democrat, and in the minority party from 1995-2007, stopped these reforms pushed by...someone? The minority party in the House cannot stop a damn thing without GOP support. There is no filibuster in committee or on the floor. The GOP can treat him and his preferences like the coffee boy and Frank had no recourse.

    The Senate was also controlled by Republicans from 1996-2009. The regulators of the GSEs were in Bush's hands from obviously 2001-2009.



    You should be offended at such obvious hackery. Recall what is simply fact that I highlighted above, then read this line from your link:



    Yes, the GOP controlled the House and Senate and WH but all the blame falls on... Democrats!!!! Hell even the stuff Clinton proposed and backed that IMO did significantly contribute to the crisis a few years later was overwhelmingly backed by Republicans in both the House and Senate in 1999 and especially the end of 2000.

    Seriously, that editorial is so offensively dishonest and obvious partisan hackery that no doubt whoever wrote that swill was happy to hide behind the anonymity of an IBD editorial. It ought to offend anyone with a passing knowledge of the facts.

    The other funny thing is you're also arguing that Trump as POTUS, and the GOP Congress NOW has really vast power to dismantle the regulatory state, which is why we can credit the good economy to the GOP! But you're also simultaneously arguing that the Bush administration and GOP Congress had NO power to affect the trajectory of the financial crisis. It's pretty fascinating.

    So as always, if it's good, we can always credit the GOP. And when it's bad, it's the fault of Democrats and we just have to figure out how to blame them.
    Having "control" doesn't always mean having control. Hell, look at our current Senate. The Republicans have "control", but they couldn't do a simple thing like repeal Obamacare.

    In any case, again...I said that there is plenty of blame to go around...to BOTH parties in the government and to people outside the government. Don't get all bent out of shape and defensive when I include the Democrats in that bunch.
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    Re: The latest left wing newspeak meme

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Having "control" doesn't always mean having control. Hell, look at our current Senate. The Republicans have "control", but they couldn't do a simple thing like repeal Obamacare.

    In any case, again...I said that there is plenty of blame to go around...to BOTH parties in the government and to people outside the government. Don't get all bent out of shape and defensive when I include the Democrats in that bunch.
    I'm just pointing out that the right wing talking point about Barney Frank is pervasive, and people making it are lying to you/us. And you cited an article to prove your point which is delusional and offensively dishonest by explicitly heaping ALL the blame on Democrats.

    FWIW, I don't mind people including Democrats, I've done it too, many times. I think the truth is Wall Street and the big banks wield enormous power, and have effectively bought Congress and the WH without regard to party affiliation. It's why the general allegation that things like CRA "forced" the banks to make crap loans based on fraudulent appraisals, etc. is the core dishonesty in the whole mess. Just to pick CRA, it was a nuisance at best/worst - red tape. I know you're old enough to have lived through the bubble and pay attention, and if it was like where I lived, we were blanketed by ads by regulated banks and the unregulated mortgage originators for everyone who could draw an X on a piece of paper to take out loans, which is what happened. And the banks and others did that because they made record profits, paid out record bonuses, on record stock prices.

    The idea that the Feds "forced" them into actions that led to 7 and 8 figure paydays for the guys at the top is offensive to me. They bought the regulatory environment they wanted, paid themselves like royalty in the good times, we bailed them out of their losses, and now they've got an army of propagandists making dishonest claims like the one you cited from IBD, which knows better or they're too stupid and unobservant to write for any paper on which anyone close to investing should rely.

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    Re: The latest left wing newspeak meme

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Nope, it's more women complaining about Trump than complained the others who's careers have been ruined, yet Trump sits in office unconcerned and the Republicans don't care.
    Nope. Its just more women maneuvered by the complicit opposing side to stir something up for political purposes...been over a year...nothing but hot air
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