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Trump will not release Democrats' memo

Fiddytree said:
This comes off looking bad for the President and the integrity of the House Intelligence Committee.

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You see, this is the kind of opinion I can get behind. Because it does look bad after all of the fuss we had earlier.
 
Mustachio said:
Barack Obama actually had a bipartisan cabinet. If you think the consequences of government are equivalent to the outcome of the super bowl and you're one of the guys screaming "we're the eagles, people hate us, we don't care!" then you have no business even pretending like you're here trying to debate politics.
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They are not equivalent, so the reference is already a waste. Though I would like to point out, that the cabinet would actually be less partisan. Had people not made assess of themselves though the whole election period.

If you talk poorly about the president elect, don't expect to have a part in his administration. Politics 101, kiss-ass tactics let you keep your job.
 
Hari Seldon said:
It shows 5 deferment cadet bone spurs is a true asshole scumbag. That's about all it shows.
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Not really no, but thanks for reverting to such schoolyard stupidity as the rest of them. True colors are wonderful thing in this day and age.
 
haymarket said:
Actually , pointing out the blatant unfairness and hypocrisy of Trump is far from crying. Its patriotic enlightenment.
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You are the last person that should even get to mention hypocrisy haymarket.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You and the truth haven't had a meeting since you started posting here.
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Back that up with evidence ... lets see ten different LIES I have told. Produce them or apologize for your slur against me.
 
Oborosen said:
You are the last person that should even get to mention hypocrisy haymarket.
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Why is that? What evidence do you have to make such a statement?
 
Fiddytree said:
I wasn’t exactly pleased with the prospect of having a Republican memo and a Democratic memo, but here we are needing it.

This shouldn’t be the way we conduct business.


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Hell, we had the meme wars during the 2016 election. Now I guess it's the Memo wars for crying out loud.

This is getting sad.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Yep, they gerrymandered all those governorships. All those legislations, all those statewide offices. That's got to be it.
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Just looking for something else to blame it on, let them roll with it. It gives them something to focus on until 2020.
 
haymarket said:
Otherwise known to people who re not right wing Trump apologists as patriotic truth telling.
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Patriotic truth telling.. and Obama....?

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The man denied more FOI claims then possibly any president in my lifetime. Not to mention that speech he gave, when he regurgitated that stupid 1 in 5 rape statistic.. he was basically a walking liberal name tag. With all of the **** tossing that it implies.
 
Oborosen said:
Patriotic truth telling.. and Obama....?

...:lamo

The man denied more FOI claims then possibly any president in my lifetime. Not to mention that speech he gave, when he regurgitated that stupid 1 in 5 rape statistic.. he was basically a walking liberal name tag. With all of the **** tossing that it implies.
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Does "whataboutism" ever get tired and old for you?
 
haymarket said:
Back that up with evidence ... lets see ten different LIES I have told. Produce them or apologize for your slur against me.
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Slur...LOL

Good luck with that apology.
 
notquiteright said:
Actually the answer is of course. If you pay attention several cases are before the courts now about gerrymandering.

If you pay attention there are national and state seats turning Dem that were considered solid GOP.

Back on point- elections do have consequences and the next round might be quite consequential. But either way the consequence isn't allowing those elected to do as they please. Not even 'king' Obama was allowed to do as he pleased... :shock:

Though you refuse to admit it, the GOP didn't just sit back and cry about it. Mitch declared his first and foremost duty was to make Obama a one term President- in that duty he failed terribly- kinda like failing to repeal and replace Obamacare... :peace
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You can't gerrymander statewide races...c'mon.

Edit: Just to add, King Obama actually did do what he wanted, that's why DACA was struck down. Because he used an EO unconstitutionally.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Slur...LOL

Good luck with that apology.
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Of course it will not happen - and of course neither will the evidence demanded either. That was to be expected on both fronts.
 
haymarket said:
Of course it will not happen - and of course neither will the evidence demanded either. That was to be expected on both fronts.
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I have done this song and dance with you before, no matter is presented you just pretend it doesn't say that and continue on like it never happened. You are never getting an apology, deal with it, or don't, I surely don't care.
 
Fiddytree said:
I wasn’t exactly pleased with the prospect of having a Republican memo and a Democratic memo, but here we are needing it.

This shouldn’t be the way we conduct business.


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It shouldn't be. Conducting governmental business strictly on a partisan basis should be taboo. I'm not saying partisanship shouldn't enter the fray of conducting governmental business. That it should take a back seat to the nation's interest and security. If one memo is released, the other should be too.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I have done this song and dance with you before, no matter is presented you just pretend it doesn't say that and continue on like it never happened. You are never getting an apology, deal with it, or don't, I surely don't care.
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And another post where you are impotent to present evidence to support your claims against me.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Elections have consequences. This is one of the consequences, you don't get to control the processes of government and have to cry about them instead.
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Hmmm...pretty obviously flawed. I agree that elections have consequences, but one way to think about the notions that undergird our nation, such as rule of law, equal protection under the law, individual rights, and so on, is that there are certain consequences that elections should not have. Suppose, way back in 2008, Obama had ordered everyone who posts with a conservative opinion on the internet to be rounded up, shot, and dumped down a deep hole in Nebraska. While you're in line waiting to be shot, you say "Goddamnit! This isn't fair!" The guard looks at you and says "Elections have consequences." Would that be a remotely adequate reply? No, of course not. Your outcry wouldn't change reality, but then the guard's response doesn't change reality either, and that reality is that, in that case, there is a very wide gulf between what is happening, and what should be happening.

It looks like this particular election has had consequences that no election should have. Obviously, the example I've proposed is more extreme than what is happening now, but it establishes the basic principle: there are some places government cannot go and should not be allowed to go, no matter how many support it or how loudly those supporters vocalize.

In the present instance, any pretense that there might be some merit to Trump's stance on the Russia investigation has crumbled. To claim that the democrat's memo has classified information and so cannot be released is to admit that the same information forms a rebuttal to the Nunes memo, and that there exist, therefore, reasons other than the Steele dossier that prompted the FISA warrant on Carter Page.

Not that any of that was in serious doubt long before this most recent refusal.

But, whatever you take from this post, take this especially: elections do have consequences, and the actions of politicians have consequences for the next election.
 
ashurbanipal said:
In the present instance, any pretense that there might be some merit to Trump's stance on the Russia investigation has crumbled. To claim that the democrat's memo has classified information and so cannot be released is to admit that the same information forms a rebuttal to the Nunes memo, and that there exist, therefore, reasons other than the Steele dossier that prompted the FISA warrant on Carter Page.
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Exactly. The premise of the Nunes memo was that the FISA process was abused because warrants were granted on essentially nothing more than political gossip. Suggesting now that revealing more of the case presented in the pursuit of those FISA warrants raises "significant concerns for national security" blows the Nunes thesis out of the water.
 
Oborosen said:
They are not equivalent, so the reference is already a waste. Though I would like to point out, that the cabinet would actually be less partisan. Had people not made assess of themselves though the whole election period.

If you talk poorly about the president elect, don't expect to have a part in his administration. Politics 101, kiss-ass tactics let you keep your job.
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They are equivalent if you don't actually care about policies and believe that one party is "your team" and the other party is "their team." For a group of people who say "America first," they sure seem to hate a lot of Americans. But both sides do. This clown sideshow of only allowing Americans to see one side of the story is extremely concerning for the country, because that's exactly what dictators do, isn't it?
 
Oborosen said:
Not really no, but thanks for reverting to such schoolyard stupidity as the rest of them. True colors are wonderful thing in this day and age.
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Yes really. The trumpty dumptys will defend their emperor no matter what 5 deferment cadet bone spurs does. Quite amusing actually.
 
Oborosen said:
This coming from CNN, the same jackasses that told us it was illegal to actually read, or posses the wikileaks emails...

I'll trust the group that actually has some visible integrity left instead, thanks.
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Reading is fundamental. Try it for once.

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holbritter said:
No, this is why:
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Why didn't Trump wait until both documents were completely vetted and release them both simultaneously?

The answer to that is obvious. Partisan politics in the extremis.
 
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