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How Did Liberals polarize America?

Nickyjo said:
So the people agitating for equal pay or for cleaning Flint's water don't want that stuff?.
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They do want it and some politicians want to provide it but most of what the govt does to is cripple people with welfare entitlements to buy more and more votes.
 
Lutherf said:
The polarization is due to the proliferation of identity politics. When both parties figure they can get ahead best by carving out their own niche of "victims" we get this kind of polarization. Basically, the idea is to find a way that some demographic is being marginalized and exploit that issue for political gain. Bear in mind that the objective IS NOT to repair any imagined or actual marginalization but to perpetuate it and exploit it.
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I agree this is it in a nutshell. Democrats seek to get votes by keeping their base aggrieved (you were oh so right, Booker T. Washington), frightened and angry.
They set up straw men right and left and catastrophize everything.
The Dems are offering nothing but "we hate Trump". No plan. No cohesiveness. No trying to make American lives better.
 
James972 said:
By pushing all issues to Washington so there is only one national answer for to every question. If you are passionate about guns abortion taxes immigration etc you must fight for a national liberal law to protect your interests. Whereas if states held the power as the Constitution intended you could simple move to a state that supported your interests.
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Unless it is legalization of marijuana use right?
 
The best antidote to the enormous problem of polarization in our country, imo, is term limits.
We will be doomed if we allow career politicians to fester in our government.
 
Acadia said:
The best antidote to the enormous problem of polarization in our country, imo, is term limits.
We will be doomed if we allow career politicians to fester in our government.
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how does term limits prevent all issues being pushed to Washington for one law that all identity groups must obey????
 
Acadia said:
I agree this is it in a nutshell. Democrats seek to get votes by keeping their base aggrieved (you were oh so right, Booker T. Washington), frightened and angry.
They set up straw men right and left and catastrophize everything.
The Dems are offering nothing but "we hate Trump". No plan. No cohesiveness. No trying to make American lives better.
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Unfortunately it's not just Democrats these days. There is no shortage of Republicans who also seek to facilitate discord and division.
 
Lutherf said:
Unfortunately it's not just Democrats these days. There is no shortage of Republicans who also seek to facilitate discord and division.
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I can't argue with you there.
 
Lutherf said:
Unfortunately it's not just Democrats these days. There is no shortage of Republicans who also seek to facilitate discord and division.
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So true. This is another issue that drives the polarization in America. Both sides are quick to point to the other without any acknowledgement that many times their side is just as bad if not worse. It is the abandonment of principles and the tribalistic "us vs them" mentality that has lead us to the point that we can't even agree on the most trivial of matters.
 
James972 said:
so? the issue is why is the liberal so afraid to make his point in a coherent way.
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I don't know. You should ask a liberal.
 
Acadia said:
I agree this is it in a nutshell. Democrats seek to get votes by keeping their base aggrieved (you were oh so right, Booker T. Washington), frightened and angry.
They set up straw men right and left and catastrophize everything.
The Dems are offering nothing but "we hate Trump". No plan. No cohesiveness. No trying to make American lives better.
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yes liberals keep their based aggrieved, and, they sent it to Washington, not state capitals, where one law is passed and imposed on entire nation.
which is more important to polarization of America: aggrievment or national rather than state laws.
 
James972 said:
actually we had national liberal slavery in first place when we got powerful national liberal govt. As a liberal you walked right into that one
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That's bad politics and worse history. The Republican Party was formed as the liberal party and opposed slavery. During colonial times, it was viewed that we had to have a nation that was one and slavery was a compromise that needed to be accepted at the time. It was a thorn until it was abolished.
 
MTAtech;1068138514" said:
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." --J.S. Mill]
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JS Mill is most famous for writing on Liberty. He was a libertarian or conservative: against govt. You have learned this 6 times now.
 
Right. So let the local's who are in power now at the local, county and state level, rewrite the laws of those to better suit just the opinions and ideals of the majority of the residents. If you don't like it, just move to a place that better suits you. So after a decade or so, division will be over in the US. The states will all just get along wonderfully and there won't be any problems with interstate commerce, regulations, or operation and funding of the US government in Washington. Splitting us all apart that way will actually lead to a more unified nation.
Yeah. And DJ Trump is really Jesus Christ.
 
trblmkr said:
So after a decade or so, division will be over in the US. The states will all just get along wonderfully and there won't be any problems with interstate commerce,
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states don't really care what the other states are doing so you have peace. CA is uber liberal next to very conservative AZ. Do you understand?

also, interstate commerce is in federal constitution. It says no fighting; there shall be free trade among states
 
Lutherf said:
The polarization is due to the proliferation of identity politics. When both parties figure they can get ahead best by carving out their own niche of "victims" we get this kind of polarization. Basically, the idea is to find a way that some demographic is being marginalized and exploit that issue for political gain. Bear in mind that the objective IS NOT to repair any imagined or actual marginalization but to perpetuate it and exploit it.
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You're right about that.

It's how the GOP has managed to fool millions of poor and working class white Americans into voting against their own best interest for years.
 
There would be no more middle class America if we had 8 more years of Obama.
We made the choice to exist and be better off, not worse, for having Trump in office.
imo
 
James972 said:
when a powerful liberal central govt supports national slavery you can say it is liberal slavery ie a policy of a liberal central govt.

as OP says liberalism naturally divides us and thus is not consistent with good govt and should be made illegal as our Founders intended.
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Your founders (why the capital 'F' in your post? Are they divinities?) your founders were liberals. The conservatives at the time- remember the term 'Tories'?- were booking passage to Nova Scotia.
You're completely ignorant of the topic.
 
Grand Mal said:
Your founders (why the capital 'F' in your post? Are they divinities?) your founders were liberals. The conservatives at the time- remember the term 'Tories'?- were booking passage to Nova Scotia.
You're completely ignorant of the topic.
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The US was considered liberal at the time it was created, as most of Europe was still covered with monarchies.
 
Soopairik said:
The US was considered liberal at the time it was created, as most of Europe was still covered with monarchies.
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And the success of the American revolution inspired liberal reactions all across Europe.
'Liberal' has always meant trying to improve things. 'Conservative' has always meant trying to keep things the same, or even going back to how it was.
 
James972 said:
By pushing all issues to Washington so there is only one national answer for to every question. If you are passionate about guns abortion taxes immigration etc you must fight for a national liberal law to protect your interests. Whereas if states held the power as the Constitution intended you could simple move to a state that supported your interests.
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by existing along side conservatives

who also take things to the national level

you should not be able to take away some ones rights at the state level

and not every one can pick up and move as easily as you can
 
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