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Elizabeth Warren's Native American Problem

There are several aspects and factors in all of this....


Trump Called Out by Native American Group Over Pocahontas ‘Slur

“Once again, we call upon the President to refrain from using her name in a way that denigrates her legacy,” National Congress of American Indians president says

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President Donald Trump was taken to task by a Native American group on Monday, after referring to Sen. Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas” while honoring a group of Native American veterans in the Oval Office on Monday.

In a statement published to the National Congress of American Indians’ website, the organization’s president, Jefferson Keel, said that the crack was both detrimental to the purpose of the meeting and denigrating to the legacy of Pocahontas.

“We regret that the President’s use of the name Pocahontas as a slur to insult a political adversary is overshadowing the true purpose of today’s White House ceremony,” Keel, a decorated U.S. Army officer and Vietnam War combat veteran, said.

“Today was about recognizing the remarkable courage and invaluable contributions of our Native code talkers. That’s who we honor today and everyday — the three code talkers present at the White House representing the 10 other elderly living code talkers who were unable to join them, and the hundreds of other code talkers from the Cherokee, Choctaw, Comanche, Lakota, Meskwaki, Mohawk, Navajo, Tlingit, and other tribes who served during World Wars I and II.”

https://www.thewrap.com/trump-called-out-by-native-american-group-over-pocahontas-slur/


Trump has handled this in the same way he handles everything, i.e., as a barbarian.
 
Tangmo said:
There are several aspects and factors in all of this....


Trump Called Out by Native American Group Over Pocahontas ‘Slur

“Once again, we call upon the President to refrain from using her name in a way that denigrates her legacy,” National Congress of American Indians president says

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President Donald Trump was taken to task by a Native American group on Monday, after referring to Sen. Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas” while honoring a group of Native American veterans in the Oval Office on Monday.

In a statement published to the National Congress of American Indians’ website, the organization’s president, Jefferson Keel, said that the crack was both detrimental to the purpose of the meeting and denigrating to the legacy of Pocahontas.

“We regret that the President’s use of the name Pocahontas as a slur to insult a political adversary is overshadowing the true purpose of today’s White House ceremony,” Keel, a decorated U.S. Army officer and Vietnam War combat veteran, said.

“Today was about recognizing the remarkable courage and invaluable contributions of our Native code talkers. That’s who we honor today and everyday — the three code talkers present at the White House representing the 10 other elderly living code talkers who were unable to join them, and the hundreds of other code talkers from the Cherokee, Choctaw, Comanche, Lakota, Meskwaki, Mohawk, Navajo, Tlingit, and other tribes who served during World Wars I and II.”

https://www.thewrap.com/trump-called-out-by-native-american-group-over-pocahontas-slur/


Trump has handled this in the same way he handles everything, i.e., as a barbarian.
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Has their ever been a more classless president?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Yep, it is definitely a controversy. But it is one controversy against god knows how many controversies of Trump’s. And that is just after one year of his presidency.
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He topped TWO THOUSAND LIES before his first year was out! Warren doesn't have a problem, her detractors do.


He mimicked the Indian PM Modi's speech pattern yesterday, in some kind of attempt to communicate to him in his own language. (That's the best spin that can be put on it!)
 
Jack Hays said:
This won't go away. A DNA test would resolve the matter, but she has not done that. Now even her supporters are calling on her to apologize.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/na...nd-politics/uK9pGOl4JBmqmRUcxTNj3H/story.html


Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem goes beyond politics

WASHINGTON — There’s a ghost haunting Elizabeth Warren as she ramps up for a possible 2020 presidential bid and a reelection campaign in Massachusetts this year: her enduring and undocumented claims of Native American ancestry.
Warren says now, as she has from the first days of her public life, that she based her assertions on family lore, on her reasonable trust in what she was told about her ancestry as a child.
“I know who I am,” she said in a recent interview with the Globe.

But that self-awareness may not be enough, as her political ambitions blossom. She’s taken flak from the right for years as a “fake Indian,” including taunts from President Trump, who derisively calls her “Pocahontas.’’ That clamor from the right will only grow with her increasing prominence.

And, more telling, there’s also discomfort on the left and among some tribal leaders and activists that Warren has a political blind spot when it comes to the murkiness surrounding her story of her heritage, which blew up as an issue in her victorious 2012 Massachusetts Senate race. In recent months, Daily Show host Trevor Noah mocked her for claiming Native American ancestry and the liberal website ThinkProgress published a scathing criticism of her by a Cherokee activist who said she should apologize.
As Warren is mentioned as a serious presidential contender in 2020, even some who should be her natural allies say Warren has displayed a stubborn unwillingness to address the gap between the story she was told of Native Americans in the family tree and a dearth of hard evidence to back it up.
It’s a disconnect that has lingered unresolved in the public sphere for more than five years. . . .
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She has an icicle's chance in Hell of getting elected.
 
calamity said:
Has their ever been a more classless president?
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I guess it depends of your definition of class. WJC getting BJ's in the oval office... Guess you think that's classy!
 
Cardinal said:
Trump sexually assaulted over a dozen women, cheated regular Americans out of a quarter billion dollars in his university scam, has made over 2000 false and misleading statements since inauguration alone, and has consistently sided with White Supremacists at every turn.

But no, the real problem here is that Elizabeth Warren once checked a box that said she's part Native American.
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You do know accusations =/= guilt and not only did warran check a box, she entered recipes with crab no less into a native american cookbook and was called a proffessor of color at harvard.


See what you did here>? you lied and exxagerated trump, whil minimizing warren. that's a disgusting thought process to engage in.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I guess it depends of your definition of class. WJC getting BJ's in the oval office... Guess you think that's classy!
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Gotta go back 20 years, do ya?
 
Jack Hays said:
This won't go away.
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Because the same crowd who spent two decades attacking Hillary Clinton and poisoning those waters as best they could recognize the opportunity to do the same thing to Warren.

And that is what this is about pure and simple.
 
calamity said:
Gotta go back 20 years, do ya?
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Can we agree the politicians are human too?

I never had a problem with BJ Clinton personal life. It wouldn't surprise me if he is one of the best people to be around. But I hated that he was president. So many people try to find any angle to hate about a sitting president, but at the end of the day, they are human too. The only good measure of a politician is the accomplishment(s) they make while sitting in that chair, which ages a man 10 years every term. Not take credit for something because they are in the right place at the right time, but only for things that they actually made happen.

Like this president or not, he is our president. People should be wishing him to do good things, instead of making his life impossible to do so. Should a president be distracted with all this nonsense? I'd be pissy all the time too if I had to deal with such stupid horse puckey every day.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Can we agree the politicians are human too?

I never had a problem with BJ Clinton personal life. It wouldn't surprise me if he is one of the best people to be around. But I hated that he was president. So many people try to find any angle to hate about a sitting president, but at the end of the day, they are human too. The only good measure of a politician is the accomplishment(s) they make while sitting in that chair, which ages a man 10 years every term. Not take credit for something because they are in the right place at the right time, but only for things that they actually made happen.

Like this president or not, he is our president. People should be wishing him to do good things, instead of making his life impossible to do so. Should a president be distracted with all this nonsense? I'd be pissy all the time too if I had to deal with such stupid horse puckey every day.
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Well, considering we are comparing a scumbag getting blown in the oval office to one who has a long history of receiving questionable funding for his real estate projects, I'm not sure we are talking apples to apples here. And, to make matters worse, at least Bill had enough sense not to hurl racial slurs and such. Although, most of the deportation crap we are seeing put into place today may be the result of an immigration reform bill he signed in 1996.

So...yeah, they all be scumbags, but one or two are certainly worse than the other.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Can we agree the politicians are human too?

I never had a problem with BJ Clinton personal life. It wouldn't surprise me if he is one of the best people to be around. But I hated that he was president. So many people try to find any angle to hate about a sitting president, but at the end of the day, they are human too. The only good measure of a politician is the accomplishment(s) they make while sitting in that chair, which ages a man 10 years every term. Not take credit for something because they are in the right place at the right time, but only for things that they actually made happen.

Like this president or not, he is our president. People should be wishing him to do good things, instead of making his life impossible to do so. Should a president be distracted with all this nonsense? I'd be pissy all the time too if I had to deal with such stupid horse puckey every day.
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Amazing the 180 Conservatives have done on virtually everything the day Trump was elected.
 
haymarket said:
Because the same crowd who spent two decades attacking Hillary Clinton and poisoning those waters as best they could recognize the opportunity to do the same thing to Warren.

And that is what this is about pure and simple.
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I guess you did not read the OP link. These attacks are from Dems, the left and Native American activists.
 
Jack Hays said:
I guess you did not read the OP link. These attacks are from Dems, the left and Native American activists.
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Exactly. I for one haven't heard so much as a peep about this from the GOP.
 
This could backfire in the primaries. It's really a shame that she doesn't just own up to it. I know plenty of people with stories about Native American ancestry that turned out not to be true. My own family had a story about my great grandmother being Cherokee, but then we took a DNA test. There was no harm done. We just stopped talking about it. Warren took it too far when she checked the box, and she dug herself in even further when she defended her claim with family stories. The Democratic party is very diverse, and it is the only party that focuses a lot on minorities. I believe she will be called out very shortly after she decides to run. It really is too bad as she is probably the best person to unite the left. Bernie and Hillary people like her.
 
iliveonramen said:
Amazing the 180 Conservatives have done on virtually everything the day Trump was elected.
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I think you need to spell that out for me. I don't comprehend liberal code-speak.
 
Jack Hays said:
I guess you did not read the OP link. These attacks are from Dems, the left and Native American activists.
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You are familiar of course with a central maxim of Napoleon: "Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself."

It's a maxim from long before Napoleon but given the Nap inaugurated the era of modern warfare he's quoted on the point regularly.

Youse over there might consider however whether it's wise to try to feed the fire with interjections such as the thread and topic. The Gone Old Party led by Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan are themselves three tinderboxes standing in a row as the flames keep getting closer. Everyone knows anyway that Donald Trump is his own worst enemy.
 
Tangmo said:
You are familiar of course with a central maxim of Napoleon: "Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself."

It's a maxim from long before Napoleon but given the Nap inaugurated the era of modern warfare he's quoted on the point regularly.

Youse over there might consider however whether it's wise to try to feed the fire with interjections such as the thread and topic. The Gone Old Party led by Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan are themselves three tinderboxes standing in a row as the flames keep getting closer. Everyone knows anyway that Donald Trump is his own worst enemy.
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I am indifferent to DJT.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I guess it depends of your definition of class. WJC getting BJ's in the oval office... Guess you think that's classy!
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No one I know said that or any such thing. Never heard it nohow besides.

Donald Trump may have said it but probably in private. Then again Trump might well be on the pubic record for it somewhere between then and now. Y'know, a 'way to go Bill' kind of typical Trump trash talk. Surely one reporter somewhere along the line asked him what he thought of it eh.

We know anyway what Trump thinks of it.

Don't we.
 
Jack Hays said:
The point here is that the most severe criticism comes from Native Americans.
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Spare me your faux concern for what Native Americans think, because --and be honest now-- you don't give a damn about what Native Americans have to say. When Native Americans (in hundred times the numbers) protested DAPL and tried to raise issues that actually affects the well-being and livelihood of Native Americans, you literally wished out loud that they lost because it would be a win for "us." (Link here: ) But all of a sudden all of you are deeply concerned when a few Native Americans state that they want her to get a genetic test and you're concerned that she's misrepresenting Native Americans? Get the **** out of here with that. The sole utility of this is partisanship for you, and have the temerity to admit it.
 
FieldTheorist said:
Spare me your faux concern for what Native Americans think, because --and be honest now-- you don't give a damn about what Native Americans have to say. When Native Americans (in hundred times the numbers) protested DAPL and tried to raise issues that actually affects the well-being and livelihood of Native Americans, you literally wished out loud that they lost because it would be a win for "us." (Link here: ) But all of a sudden all of you are deeply concerned when a few Native Americans state that they want her to get a genetic test and you're concerned that she's misrepresenting Native Americans? Get the **** out of here with that. The sole utility of this is partisanship for you, and have the temerity to admit it.
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You really should find a healthy outlet for your anger. At no point have I professed any concern for what Native Americans think per se. I have simply noted their objections as a political problem for Elizabeth Warren. I think their opposition to DAPL was misguided and I don't mind saying so. None of that has the slightest relevance to the question under discussion.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes. But unlike Trumpers and some GOP, most Libbies & Dems won't blindly ignore a candidate's major character defects, just to further their political process. I can't imagine Dems accepting a primary candidate, with all of Trump's baggage for instance. Hell, Bill Clinton probably would not succeed in a primary in today's Dem environment.

The typical liberal being ideological has pros & cons, and one of the cons is they often don't accept the pragmatic reality of political sausage making.
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Yet Clinton won the primary as CNN, MSNBC, everyone in the DNC leadership etc are so desperately eager to remind us.

Granted there were a lot of reasons for that, but part of it was a partisan willingness to overlook (or outright deny) many of her flaws and baggage, all of which were substantially worse than anything Warren has on offer, even if her claim to Native American ancestry is a knowing lie and entirely unjustified.
 
calamity said:
Did Nixon have to resign for being a crook?
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The real reason GOPs made Nixon resign was due to special election losses for the GOP in 1974 ...
 
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