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haymarket said:
I attack Trump as part of honest debate of a nation issue before the American people. That is part of honest debate about politics and our government.

You attack me with insults for doing so without any mention of the actual issue.

This is not about me and never has been. You should debate the issues and stop attacking those who disagree with you by trying to insult them and demonize them.
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Honest debate of a national issue? What issue is that? Your ass hurt? What is honest about the Russian spy hired by Clintons/DNC and paid for, is the basis for the Russia investigation?

Insults and demonizing is some thing I leaned from people on your side of the fence. I believe the all encompassing word is "deplorable" and all those other names the left called us.

Romney will fall in line with Trump. It is all he can do.

So were do you want that moving van?
 
Blkdirt Farmer said:
Honest debate of a national issue? What issue is that? Your ass hurt?
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Lesson one: when I or anyone else here criticizes Trump - it is NOT an attack on you personally.

Lesson two: because of that, there is no need for you to personally attack those persons as it does nothing to defend Trump from the criticism.

Lesson three: criticizing those entrusted with great power is as American as apple pie and the Fourth of July in our nation and those who engage in it love the nation and its people as much as you claim you do and they are not looking for you to pretend to pay their way out of the nation.

Lesson four: go back and read the first three and try to comprehend it before another attack post.
 
VanceMack said:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

What part of that do you disagree with?
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Um - all of it? Just because you don't feel the obligation to help those who can't always help themselves, doesn't mean that others do not.

And before you start saying that it meant nothing, even Romney knows that that comment damaged his chances.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Eating dinner with Trump isn't the same as kissing his ass. Although, it's close
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Very close!

I can't see how anyone can be in Trump's immediate physical proximity for too long, before he does his alpha thing and tries to put his arm over your shoulder, or force you into a handshake, or some type of bull**** verbal reply. Many next to him look so uncomfortable acquiescing, and I sometimes wonder exactly how I would handle that situation, because I'm not a great acquiescer and I don't like kissing-up in even the smallest details! Like letting someone put their hand on my shoulder, or forcing a handshake.
 
VanceMack said:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

What part of that do you disagree with?
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The first sentence. "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what." OK. Apply that to you and other Trump voters. That you will vote for the president no matter what. Is that true? And if it is, why is it a bad thing? Why is a good thing?
Romney's big problem with that stupid statement is that 47% included retired people, retired military, disabled vets, working poor. Most earned their SS, they earned their retirement plans, they paid for their medicare and they paid with their service and bodies. But the Republicans suggest that those 47% are all welfare queens, moochers, takers and a drain on the state. Do you really believe 47% of your fellow Americans fit that description? You willing to go down to the VFW and say that? You willing to tell your grandfather that?
And only you conservative Republicans are the tax paying, working people supporting this nation. Bite me.
 
Romney's a good man. I hope he wins the seat.
 
Moon said:
Romney's a good man. I hope he wins the seat.
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As long as you didn't work for one of those companies he liquidated for personal profit and left you without your pension.
 
CanadaJohn said:
The simple fact that President Obama laughed at Mitt Romney during one of the debates when he posited that Russia was the number one threat in the world, if for no other reason, is enough to make your charge of "baseless editorial silliness" as inane as President Obama's laughter. Even most Democrats, after Ukraine, Syria, the supposed interference in the last US election, would admit that Romney got it right back in 2012.
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I agree with this specific statement. I don't agree with your pointless general ramblings in your previous post.
 
Superfly said:
Um - all of it? Just because you don't feel the obligation to help those who can't always help themselves, doesn't mean that others do not.

And before you start saying that it meant nothing, even Romney knows that that comment damaged his chances.
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He didnt say anything about 'helping' others'. He said there were 47% of the people that were locked into voting democrat no matter what he does and there is no way he could appeal to them as voters. And he was 100% correct.

The only way it 'damaged' his chances is that he didnt aggressively respond to it. Romney was a bad candidate. He ran a bad race. He shouldnt have backed away from his comments even a little bit because they were 100% correct. You arent going to FURTHER alienate mindless partisan ****s.
 
VanceMack said:
He didnt say anything about 'helping' others'. He said there were 47% of the people that were locked into voting democrat no matter what he does and there is no way he could appeal to them as voters. And he was 100% correct.

The only way it 'damaged' his chances is that he didnt aggressively respond to it. Romney was a bad candidate. He ran a bad race. He shouldnt have backed away from his comments even a little bit because they were 100% correct. You arent going to FURTHER alienate mindless partisan ****s.
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Obviously he didn't say anything about helping others. He wasn't interested in that in the least. :lol:

Romney said:
[M]y job is not to worry about those people.
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Superfly said:
Obviously he didn't say anything about helping others. He wasn't interested in that in the least. :lol:
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You arent thinking. He was speaking at a campaign fundraising event addressing his target audience. Nothing more. His job was NOT to worry about the 47% of people that made up their minds already.
 
VanceMack said:
You arent thinking. He was speaking at a campaign fundraising event addressing his target audience. Nothing more. His job was NOT to worry about the 47% of people that made up their minds already.
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Of course it wasn't.

Clearly he wasn't thinking, either. He came across as an elitist snob.
 
Superfly said:
Of course it wasn't.

Clearly he wasn't thinking, either. He came across as an elitist snob.
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You still arent thinking. I asked you which part of his comment you disagreed with and all you can muster is your butthurt over his comment. The fact is that his comments were correct. The fact that it has your panties twisted...well...shows that the facts hit close to home. And you are still trying to make it something it isnt.
 
VanceMack said:
You still arent thinking. I asked you which part of his comment you disagreed with and all you can muster is your butthurt over his comment. The fact is that his comments were correct. The fact that it has your panties twisted...well...shows that the facts hit close to home. And you are still trying to make it something it isnt.
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Um - no. You asked me which part I disagreed with, and I said all of it. I did disagree with all of what he said. I can't make this much clearer. I just can't. I don't have the time, nor do I have the crayons, to do it with.
 
Superfly said:
Um - all of it? Just because you don't feel the obligation to help those who can't always help themselves, doesn't mean that others do not.

And before you start saying that it meant nothing, even Romney knows that that comment damaged his chances.
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As you know I volunteered on the Romney campaign, even though I was actually a Huntsman girl in 2012. Yes, you are correct - Romney absolutely knew after that video leaked that it damaged his chances.
 
justabubba said:
isn't this the same romney who genuflected and kissed tRump's ass in an effort to be appointed secretary of state

yea, he'll still be better than orrin hatch
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That remains to be seen. If Romney runs and is elected will he criticize Trump or become mum. I think he will.
 
tres borrachos said:
As you know I volunteered on the Romney campaign, even though I was actually a Huntsman girl in 2012. Yes, you are correct - Romney absolutely knew after that video leaked that it damaged his chances.
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He admitted it, but even that is not enough for people anymore. They take actual quotes, and actual recordings, and twist it into meaning something different. I've never seen anything like this.
 
Carleen said:
That remains to be seen. If Romney runs and is elected will he criticize Trump or become mum. I think he will.
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I don't know. The only people that I have seen, for the most part, that stand up to Trump have nothing to lose. They are not running again.

Those with a dog in the hunt generally keep quiet because they either need/want something from Trump or they don't want to lose his base.

Shameful, too. I guess it separates the wheat from the chaff, but in the end, there's not much left over except the chaff, and what are we going to do with that?
 
VanceMack said:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

What part of that do you disagree with?
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Pretty much all of it.

You realize who that 47 percent is right? Its elderly people that paid in their whole working life.. and now in their elderly years.. don't make enough to pay taxes.

Its me.. who in all those years in school.. didn't pay taxes because I made so little... though now I pay in the top tax bracket.

they are guys in the military that make so little or get deductions for pay outside the country that they don't have to pay income taxes.

the facts are.. the vast vast vast majority of that 47 percent in their lifetime will be NET TAXPAYERS.

The fact that Romney was not either intelligent enough to understand that fact.. or worse.. he DID understand that but yet said it anyway to pander to a rich bunch of dudes.... is why he lost a lot of votes and probably cost him the presidency.
 
jaeger19 said:
Pretty much all of it.

You realize who that 47 percent is right? Its elderly people that paid in their whole working life.. and now in their elderly years.. don't make enough to pay taxes.

Its me.. who in all those years in school.. didn't pay taxes because I made so little... though now I pay in the top tax bracket.

they are guys in the military that make so little or get deductions for pay outside the country that they don't have to pay income taxes.

the facts are.. the vast vast vast majority of that 47 percent in their lifetime will be NET TAXPAYERS.

The fact that Romney was not either intelligent enough to understand that fact.. or worse.. he DID understand that but yet said it anyway to pander to a rich bunch of dudes.... is why he lost a lot of votes and probably cost him the presidency.
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You have your facts off. You are TRYING DESPERATELY to make an argument. It sucks...but you ARE TRYING so I'll give you that.

He was not talking ONLY about tax payers. He was talking about a combination of committed democrat voters. He even said as much directly in his own words. And he is right. Why people like you have such a hard time with facts is beyond me. There are a core of democrat voters that WILL NOT BE SWAYED. Period...no matter what you do. If you waste resources trying to get their votes all you will be doing is wasting time and resources. The same can be said for a core group of GOP voters that would not vote democrat. He spoke facts. Facts hurt your feelings.
 
Replacing a real old guy with a somewhat old guy?

My God...where are the young politicans? Why all these stale leftovers?
 
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