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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

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    Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections




    Trump and EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt will certainly slash away at 50 years of environmental/safety protections to please their corporate donors/lobbyists.

    Related: Under Trump, E.P.A. Has Slowed Actions Against Polluters, and Put Limits on Enforcement Officers - The New York Times

    E.P.A. Threatens to Stop Funding Justice Dept. Environmental Work - The New York Times
    What makes these guys think all of the regs Trump is dumping have to do with EPA?
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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Can you cite your evidence for that claim?

    Thanks!
    Probably I could find a couple of hundred articles that show how varying regulation adds to the cost of this, that and the other poduction or other economic process. You see, it is elementary economics that a great deal of regulation is required because it is less expensive for the economic subject to act otherwise. If it made economic sense for him to act as in the regulation, the regulation would not be necessary.

    The other important item is that increasing the cost of production in one jurisdiction and not in the other makes it rational to produce in the other jurisdiction. Much of the outsourcing to India, China or Vietnam is dor this reason as much as for the more competitive labour.

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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

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    Well, those regulations are part of the reason wages have not increased as much as many would have wanted. You cannot have your cake and eat it, you know.
    Baloney. Environmental protections are not drags on the economy. Quite the opposite. They produce new products for needed markets. Before the regulations mandating that cars have less harmful exhaust, nobody was ever employed manufacturing catalytic converters. Now, that, and other similar products employ many thousands if not hundreds of thousands. The solar industry employment is ten times that of coal employment.
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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Baloney. Environmental protections are not drags on the economy. Quite the opposite. They produce new products for needed markets. Before the regulations mandating that cars have less harmful exhaust, nobody was ever employed manufacturing catalytic converters. Now, that, and other similar products employ many thousands if not hundreds of thousands. The solar industry employment is ten times that of coal employment.
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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Probably I could find a couple of hundred articles that show how varying regulation adds to the cost of this, that and the other poduction or other economic process. You see, it is elementary economics that a great deal of regulation is required because it is less expensive for the economic subject to act otherwise. If it made economic sense for him to act as in the regulation, the regulation would not be necessary.
    Then cite a few so we know how much regulation reduces wages. Is it by cents per hour or dollars per hour? The research I've seen is that, in short, it depends. Just for example, for some reason wages in the highly regulated industrialized countries are higher than in China, Vietnam, etc. Even in this country, the lightly regulated deep south has lower wages than the highly regulated states along the coasts, so if there is a causal relationship, "regulations" are one of many factors affecting wages, and those other factors appear to dominate, with "regulations" playing a minor role.

    There is also no doubt 'regulations' increase the costs of dirty industries, but what they really do is appropriately assign costs to being dirty, as opposed to a system where the dirty industries are allowed to offload those costs onto others - negative externalities. But killing off (in the case of environmental regs) dirty industries in favor of more efficient, cleaner industries doesn't necessarily imply a lowering of wages or loss of jobs.

    The other important item is that increasing the cost of production in one jurisdiction and not in the other makes it rational to produce in the other jurisdiction. Much of the outsourcing to India, China or Vietnam is dor this reason as much as for the more competitive labour.
    That's true, or it at least is arguably true, but that's not an argument against 'regulation' but the failure of regulations, or in the alternative property rights, in those jurisdictions. China, for example, allows a billion+ people to pay the high costs of filthy air and water for the temporary benefit of manufacturers and coal fired plants producing cheap energy because the government in China has decided it's OK to kill a half million/year as the cost of economic growth and the people have no rights to sue or otherwise defend their rights.

    In this country, regulations or not, we're not going back to flaming rivers and cities so polluted you can't see across the street.

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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections




    Trump and EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt will certainly slash away at 50 years of environmental/safety protections to please their corporate donors/lobbyists.

    Related: Under Trump, E.P.A. Has Slowed Actions Against Polluters, and Put Limits on Enforcement Officers - The New York Times

    E.P.A. Threatens to Stop Funding Justice Dept. Environmental Work - The New York Times
    Hyperbole aside, it sound like a good start. Get rid of the bad rules, keep the good ones.

    We know that some of the rules contained in these pages have been beneficial to our nation, and we’re going to keep them,” [Trump] said. “We want to protect our workers, our safety, our health, and we want to protect our water, we want to protect our air, and our country’s natural beauty.”

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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

    Getting rid of regulations is a lot like getting rid of traffic lights. On the one hand, having too many traffic lights in places that they aren't needed slows traffic and contributes to accidents. On the other hand, not having traffic lights where they are needed also slows traffic and contributes to accidents.

    Trying to pare back regulations to what existed years in the past is a lot like taking out all of a town's traffic lights that weren't there thirty or forty years ago without regard for the changing traffic patterns over that time.

    Imagine how it would be driving through your town with only the traffic lights that existed back in 1960.
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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Baloney. Environmental protections are not drags on the economy. Quite the opposite. They produce new products for needed markets. Before the regulations mandating that cars have less harmful exhaust, nobody was ever employed manufacturing catalytic converters. Now, that, and other similar products employ many thousands if not hundreds of thousands. The solar industry employment is ten times that of coal employment.
    If you have to make three machines to make a product, the costs go up and your jellybean costs more too. Your theory is that this increases GDP and is so positive. Increase the number of machines required to make your jellybean and the economy grows further and further with each piece of ne regulation. The society grows more and more, creates jobs and wages.

    You miss that you still only have only one jellybean but are investing in many more machines than the one single one you used originally. The price of you jellybean now has to cover the cost of producing and running all tjos machines you use the make jellybean making environmentally friendly, all those wonderful wages.

    You will no longer be in the class of folks that have a bowel of colourful beans on the coffee table, if you a worker in that now environmentally perfectly regulated jellybean production line.

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    Re: Trump vows to kill 50 years of federal protections

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well, those regulations are part of the reason wages have not increased as much as many would have wanted. You cannot have your cake and eat it, you know.
    Bull**** corporat state mindphuck memes have never explained anything.

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