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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    So, quit your job and start your own business instead of whining. That's what I did -- years ago. It was a lot of hard work at first, 60-80 hour weeks, but now, I take off for a month at a time if I like and I've traveled to all the places, I wanted to travel. You can do that when you get off your butt and realize that your life is in your hands, not the hands of some employer.

    It takes initiative but the rewards are great.
    Well ,I've worked hard all my life. So for you to pretend to know otherwise is unkind and unfair. Secondly, If all American's were owners of businesses then the potential for consumers would surely suffer. Thirdly not all people are endowed with the same abilities. While we are not all capable of doing the same things, we all have the same needs. The "Kinder and Gentler country" That was so affectionately referred by George H.W. Bush seems to fit the notion that we care for ( the least of thee.)
    Finally, I'm 67 years old. I'm not in any way able to benefit from any such policies even if they were enacted today.

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    If you don't like this country.... MOVE!

    Like it or not, there are different classes in this nation. Want better work benefits, better yourself and get a better job!

    People who are whiners are often the ones who stay in the lower ranks, because employers don't like whiners!
    Well again I'll tell you that due to my age, any such reversal of public policy couldn't possibly benefit me.
    Secondly I have worked hard all my life. So please don't judge when you know nothing of which you speak.
    Thirdly; I think,You and Mr. Scrooge would make ideal friends

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    Stand by for heavy rolls with that idea.

    Blaming corporate America is far more easier than actually getting out of bed at 4:30 ya know.
    I have all my life worked hard and have gotten out of bed a lot earlier than that.

    Can we now that you all have had your fun attacking me, actually have an intelligent conversation about this?

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Washington State just dictated 1 hour of full pay sick leave for every 40 worked,,,,which works out to more that a week of vacation per year, this on top of another 50 cents min wage to $11.50........that is a huge jump.
    Great ! Are corporations running away from Washington now.

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    I'm not whining. I'm not American so I'm legally entitled to 20 days annual leave per year (I actually get more than 20). I'm just sympathising with the many millions of Americans who get screwed due to the lack of worker's rights. The 'free market' approach to annual leave has spectacularly failed workers compared to a governmental approach.
    Well I have counted way over 150 other countries before I stopped counting that have made this transition to legally mandate certain benefits for their work force.
    When you think about it, a work force is part of the Commons. Just like a natural resource is part of the commons. A government that is (of the people and for the people) should certainly have some input as to how that (HUMAN RESOURCE) is utilized. Don't you all agree with that premise?

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    Meh. Corporate America has done worse than every government in the world when it comes to paid annual leave
    Well I agree. A work force is part of the nation's wealth. It should be up to a nation how the work force is utilized as way over 150 other nation's have decided upon. But not America.

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Ah - I see - you're just judging a system you are not a part of. Got it.

    However, what you're missing is that anyone, and I mean virtually anyone in the US with a little bit of gumption, can break free of the "worker" mold and strike out on his own. That's why the US is still the greatest nation in the world and why people will die trying to get here -- because we offer something many other nations do not -- greater freedom.

    In my opinion, the world is populated with two types of people, the "makers" and the "takers." The US is a great place for the makers, who start businesses, create jobs, provide ever-increasing products and services. But, the takers, those who go complacently to their 9-to-5 office jobs (or burger-flipping jobs), those who watch the clock and try to do as little as they can to draw their paychecks, those who whine about not getting enough days off, are gaining a foothold. A smaller foothold here in the States than in other places, but, they're making inroads.

    There's an undeniable problem with that -- when the takers grow stronger than the makers, the economy crashes, as it did in Italy. It can't be helped. When governments place the value of the takers over the value of the makers, they are already on a down slide. It's only a matter of time.

    Ask Italy.
    Does 1929 mean anything thing to you? This was a time following the (GILDED AGE) A time when corporate control over the working class was yielded with an IRON FIRST and literally with a gun. And I can document that if you wish me to. Yet ,what did we get. The Great Depression. That was just one of the great success stories of unchecked corporate power.

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich123 View Post
    Paid leave...Please let's talk fairly with one another on this one.
    I agree. We dont need statutory leave. Most companies already have it without govt intervention.

    according to the National
    Compensation Survey (NCS), 78 percent of
    private sector workers receive paid vacation
    leave, 77 percent receive paid holidays, and
    61 percent receive paid sick leave.
    https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2009/02/art3full.pdf

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich123 View Post
    Does 1929 mean anything thing to you? This was a time following the (GILDED AGE) A time when corporate control over the working class was yielded with an IRON FIRST and literally with a gun. And I can document that if you wish me to. Yet ,what did we get. The Great Depression. That was just one of the great success stories of unchecked corporate power.
    There are many factors that led to the Great Depression, but that one did not play an active role.
    "Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    If you don't like your benefits from a certain employer then carry your happy self down the road.

    Overall......many or most established employers offer pretty good leave/vacation benefits according the the labor statistics.

    https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-...t-20-years.htm

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    Yes many do. But many more offer nothing at all. But more germane to the heart of this subject is, who should control the a countries resource. The corporation are utilizing a portion of the nation's wealth when they employ someone. If that is part of a nation's assets then it should be up to the nation as to how that asset is utilized.

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