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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    So, quit your job and start your own business instead of whining. That's what I did -- years ago. It was a lot of hard work at first, 60-80 hour weeks, but now, I take off for a month at a time if I like and I've traveled to all the places I wanted to travel. You can do that when you get off your butt and realize that your life is in your hands, not the hands of some employer.

    It takes initiative but the rewards are great.
    First of all, your message is right on. You the risk-taker create jobs, albeit with the help of labor, which makes wealth. And western society rewards you handsomely. Those of us who would rather not take risks or don’t have the stake that allows it, who work for others and demand certain benefits, mostly to work in a safe environment withacertain income, since we get fewer rewards. It works out.

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

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    It is stated that way in the constitution and our Decalration of Independence talks about the government of the people. But when we look at how legislation that in some way benefits the people actually gets eneacted we see it actually follows some tragic event. For instance OSHA was a result of a tragic fire in lower Manhatten where women and girls worked in a textile factory where fire exit doors were deliberately blocked by their employer who felt the women were steeling fabric from him. Since the building was an eight story building women and girls jumped to their deaths in front of horified witnesses of which one partitioned the FDR administration for work place safety rules which resulted in OSHA.
    But if all the resources all belong to the people as you say and as one might assume given the language in our constitution and our Declaration of Independence, then why are we not consulted or even considered when huge pipe lines carrying tar sands crude across our sovereign boarders and across state lines in direct opposition to what we the people want. We the People do not want that across sacred lands and under rivers and into acquifers but we got it.
    I didnt say resources all belong to 'the people'. I said "individuals". Those individuals who own the land that the huge pipe lines cross were consulted. To the extent that such activity endangers other people, their representatives were consulted.

    As for workplace safety, protecting peoples lives is in the constitution. Wages are not.

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

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    I didnt say resources all belong to 'the people'. I said "individuals". Those individuals who own the land that the huge pipe lines cross were consulted. To the extent that such activity endangers other people, their representatives were consulted.

    As for workplace safety, protecting peoples lives is in the constitution. Wages are not.
    You should try reading more conservative publications - such as the National Review
    Pipelines: Where Even Conservatives Support Eminent-Domain Abuse
    Utility companies shouldn’t be able to take private citizens’ land.
    Where is the conservative commitment to property rights? At first, this might seem a silly question.
    Of course conservatives defend the right to private property, arguably the single most important principle upon which the nation was founded. But it’s not so silly in light of what’s happening in Virginia — my home state, as well as that of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
    (. . .)
    a consortium of companies — led by Dominion Energy — is attempting to force a major natural-gas pipeline down the throats of our people, whether or not they agree to yield their land. The final decision lies in the hands of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), an unelected body whose board consists of five presidential appointees drawn from the very industry the agency is supposed to “regulate.” It essentially never turns its thumbs down. This is not what Madison had in mind when he wrote that no person could be “deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”
    Guess what, the FERC did grant Dominion and Duke the right to seize private property for their pipeline
    The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved the $5 billion 600-mile Atlantic Coast Pipeline, designed to transport gas from shale fields in Pennsylvania to Southern Virginia and eastern North Carolina, with one of the three commissioners dissenting.
    I do luvs this statement from the FERC, which admits that there will be "adverse effects"
    In the order, the divided commission finds that the controversial project’s benefits “outweigh any adverse effects on existing shippers, other pipelines and their captive customers, and on landowners and surrounding communities.” And, it affirms the staff’s July finding that the pipeline “will result in some adverse and significant environmental impacts, but that these impacts will be reduced to acceptable levels.”
    Why would the energy companies spend any money to reduce the impact of construction and any future leaks? The present administration is already erasing regulations governing pollution.
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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    You're asking how other countries can do things differently than us but still survive. The answer is multifold.

    First of all... different cultures with different priorities. The USA is obsessed with capitalism and money. There are so few human interventions in our economy, except of course when it comes to the rich. When I lived in Africa and in Asia, at first I scorned the corruption that allowed people to buy off officials, police, etc. But then I look at America and see that the same kind of stuff happens here, except only the wealthy are allowed to get away with it. It's the ultimate hypocrisy. My experience is that cultures which allow some level of corruption are more open to human connection and there is actually more freedom, not less. The way that American authority wields money as a weapon against the general public is completely different than how money is used in many other countries. In other places, money is just a tool but your life doesn't revolve around it. Everyone has their work and then they get together to live the rest of their lives. There's no obsession about career.

    The other thing is that the USA is responsible for military defense, by treaty, of many different countries that don't have to fend for themselves. This removes a major opportunity cost from their budgets. So while countries like France, Canada, and other EU nations still pitch in with military operations, the scale is nothing compared to what the U.S. can muster. At the same time, the U.S. has used this to implement a sort of manifest destiny neo-imperialism... so it's not like the deal only goes one way. The U.S. is hugely benefiting by continuing to try and reshape global economy in its image.

    After studying this issue for years, I feel that the bedrock root of the problem is that the U.S. is overly obsessed with money. It comes before anything else: health, family, personal passions and career goals, etc. This financial priority has infiltrated the entire system, rendering it one-track. My time in France showed me what it means to balance work life with health, family and partnerships. It's not just a matter of the government telling people to do it; they do it because it's part of their culture, they are entitled to it, and they can't imagine or accept a life where it's not happening. The idea of working all year and only getting 2-3 weeks off would be preposterous to them.

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You should try reading more conservative publications - such as the National Review


    Guess what, the FERC did grant Dominion and Duke the right to seize private property for their pipeline

    I do luvs this statement from the FERC, which admits that there will be "adverse effects"


    Why would the energy companies spend any money to reduce the impact of construction and any future leaks? The present administration is already erasing regulations governing pollution.
    Like I said, individuals representatives were consulted. I dont support eminent domain for such commercial purposes, but the pipeline followed the law. They did environmental studies and got govt permits.

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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich123 View Post
    Statutory meaning (decided or controlled by laws) is the means by which people in the labor force in most other nations and perhaps all Industrialized nations,except the United States receive their annual vacation time. Why is statutory requirements an important fact when it comes to employee annual leave? Because the statutory requirement, requires all companies doing business in that country to comply with that basic law in order to continue to do business in that particular country. For instance even people who work at McDonald's in France are entitled to receive a minimum of five weeks of paid vacation time. (30 days with Saturdays but not Sundays counted as holidays) plus up to 22 days of RTT (Reduction of working time) for employees who choose to work more than the standard 35 hour work week with the limit being 39 hours. Further additional hours will be compensated monetarily.
    In addition Bonus days are given to people who choose to take part of their annual time during the winter with one bonus day given for every three days taken during the winter time. The combination of all the rules could result in 9.5 weeks vacation time. To be fair I haven't as of this writing determined if these rules or any part of these rules apply to PART TIME EMPLOYEES. If any of you know for a fact one way or the other ,please enlighten me.

    The point why I bring this subject up however, is for us to ponder how can (companies succeed) in a country and quite frankly 100s of countries who do the same, while claiming they will go bankrupt in America if America does anything like this. How can a country like France have a have an income tax rate bracket as of 2017 that looks like this,

    1) to eu 9807 zero tax
    2) eu 9807 to eu 27086 14 %
    3) eu 27086 to eu72,617 30% Personal income tax is high but they get Universal healthcare. So they get something for their money. If there is no
    healthcare and you
    4) eu72617 to eu153783 41% you very ill, you loose your home and go bankrupt in America.
    5) eu 153783 and over 45%

    and a corporate tax rate of 33.33% .The corporate tax rate in the U.S with the G.O.P. Bill is close to France's so should we expect to see better social
    reforms as a result? AT&T since the passage of the bill has announced some bonuses and firings.

    While there a lot of factors to analyze when trying to compare the social apparatus of various countries I have only brought forth but a few. Others would be Median income and cost of living. The median income inf France as of 2016 was eu 42,992 while in the U.S it was $60,164
    The cost of living excluding rent in France was 11.8% higher than the U.S. while rent was 28.23% lower in France as compared to the U.S. where one euro equals 1.19 U.S.dollars.

    I only brought these later facts into focus was in the spirit of fairness to the two systems. These later facts really wasn't germane to my focus of this writing. My Focus is, Why are WE NOT GETTING WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR? We are the RICHEST country in the world. WHY CAN"T WE AFFORD TO DO FOR OUR CITIZENS WHAT SO MANY OTHER COUNTRIES MANAGE TO DO WITH LESS? My God Afghanistan has STATUTORY ANNUAL LEAVE. The United Arab Emirates has STATUTORY ANNUAL LEAVE. Another question , why aren't more Americans angry. This is supposed to be a government of the people. But all we hear is let's give the poor Billionaires a well deserved break. Please let's talk fairly with one another on this one.
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    Re: Statutory Annual leave in 100s of other Nations but not in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    First of all, your message is right on. You the risk-taker create jobs, albeit with the help of labor, which makes wealth. And western society rewards you handsomely. Those of us who would rather not take risks or don’t have the stake that allows it, who work for others and demand certain benefits, mostly to work in a safe environment withacertain income, since we get fewer rewards. It works out.
    Howard, your statement pre supposes a certain assumption, (That I've spent my life sitting around and demanding things from others.) I've worked very hard all my life and worked long hours too, as much as you claim. This post isn't as much about what people should get for nothing. It's about what they should be rewarded for in exchange for their labor and dedication to their employers. You may find it interesting to note that, employers in all these other countries who have mandatory statutory leave don't have problems doing a business there. What it comes down to in America is that our top earners would rather spend millions of dollars bribing public officials to do their bidding as aposed to rewarding their work force for jobs well done. Many of our corporate CEO's have no issues with endangering human life or even making a profit from the demise of human life as witnessed by the deliberate munipulations of nicotene levels in cigarettes. This is a fact that those corpoate CEO's own internal documents bare witness to. That is just one of many examples I can give you. That is not to say that all corporate CEO's are in that category. The ones who are not most likely wouldn't oppose Statutory leave. The one's who do fit that description would like also to not even pay their work force if they could get away with it.

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