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    OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."

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    It's a similar strategy the Dems employed in 2004 and 2006. All the GOP has to do is not shoot themselves in the foot. Fortunately for the Dems, the GOP are experts at shooting themselves in the foot. For example, the failure to legislatively repeal the ACA. They can't realistically attempt to repeal it some 70+ times while a Dem is president and not expect fallout when they refuse to pass it once when there's a GOP president. Granted I know it was all political theater but it was also an unnecessary self-inflicted wound.

    All they have to do is pass an infrastructure bill by mid 2018 and they SHOULD be fine. But who can say. The GOP don't self-sabotage like Dems but the possibility is always there.
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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    It's a similar strategy the Dems employed in 2004 and 2006. All the GOP has to do is not shoot themselves in the foot. Fortunately for the Dems, the GOP are experts at shooting themselves in the foot. For example, the failure to legislatively repeal the ACA. They can't realistically attempt to repeal it some 70+ times while a Dem is president and not expect fallout when they refuse to pass it once when there's a GOP president. Granted I know it was all political theater but it was also an unnecessary self-inflicted wound.

    All they have to do is pass an infrastructure bill by mid 2018 and they SHOULD be fine. But who can say. The GOP don't self-sabotage like Dems but the possibility is always there.
    True, the GOP don't self-sabotage like Dems, they have different methods of self-sabotage unique unto themselves.
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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Dems got nothing. They got time to fabricate some kind of BS platform before the next elections but right now, they just seem happy staying below the radar out of the fracas.

    Right now, they don't need nothing. Trump's giving them all they need.

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    A quick Google search and you can see which of the congressional Dems are pushing this.

    Interesting to note, that they also appear to be some of the least productive, in terms of legislation introduced and / or co-sponsored.

    Based on the list on the Wikipedia page, appears to be about once a month.

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    Efforts to start the process of impeachment against U.S. President Donald Trump, who took office in 2017, have been initiated by U.S. Representatives Al Green andBrad Sherman, both Democrats.[1][2] Other people and groups have asserted that Trump has engaged in impeachable activity during his presidency.[3][4] Talk of impeachment began before Trump took office. [5][6]. Efforts began after a series of events in May 2017.[7][8][9] The likelihood of impeachment during 2017–18 is seen as remote, since Republicans control both the House and the Senate in the 115th United States Congress.[10][11][nb 1]



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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    True, the GOP don't self-sabotage like Dems, they have different methods of self-sabotage unique unto themselves.
    Are you kidding me? Trump ran on a "promise" to cut taxes (now claims to have done that), spend $1T on infrastructure, spend more on the military, enact TrumpCare (ObamaCare 2.0?) that would cover everybody (exactly how was never addressed) and never once said anything concrete about lowering the deficit or national debt (other than his usual BS on the matter of the federal deficit an national debt saying that it would be "wiped out within a few decades" by "winnning").
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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    I do agree if Dems place their entire election hopes on opposition to Trump, they may very well come up short but that depends on if there's a massive market correction in the mean time or if Trump starts a pointless and unnecessary war etc.

    Dems need to have a message but I think, the last election showed Americans are more progressive than Trump supporters will give the country credit for, yes Trump won but more people, by a pretty healthy margin agreed with and voted for Hillary.

    The problem is, Obama 08 genuinely made people feel hopeful that things in America could finally change because it is actually an extreme minority in America, but a powerful one that stands in the way of meaningful change in America, whether that be UHC or whatever... But I think alot of Dem voters realized that, if even someone with the tenacity, the optimism, the charisma of Obama couldn't succeed in breaking Washington to actually accomplish things for everyday people, who could?

    No one.

    And that's because Washington doesn't serve every day people and neither do most state legislatures, they serve their donors and big corporations and that does go for both parties.

    And ironically while many Conservatives will agree with me on that point, they will also largely defend Citizens United which made this problem exponentially worse because it, in essence legalized bribery and unless that decision is overturned and that's unlikely to happen... The situation will only get worse and while you all remain on your Republican/Democrat hamster wheel, the country sinks further into the abyss, most of the wealth rises to the top which Trump just made exponentially worse and Big Corporations pick the meat and bones away from the rest of the population and leave it decimated.

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? Trump ran on a "promise" to cut taxes (now claims to have done that), spend $1T on infrastructure, spend more on the military, enact TrumpCare (ObamaCare 2.0?) that would cover everybody (exactly how was never addressed) and never once said anything concrete about lowering the deficit or national debt (other than his usual BS on the matter of the federal deficit an national debt saying that it would be "wiped out within a few decades" by "winnning").
    So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the self-sabotage methods between the Democrat party and the Republican party are more similar than dissimilar. Correct?

    It would be a fair observation that there are similarities, but I'd suspect that there would also be differences, unique unto each of them.
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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."

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    Hmmmm...let me see here. Under Obama, we had by far the longest stretch of private-sector job growth in ALL American history, never mind the fact that on the day he took the job, he faced the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, faced not one, but TWO highly unpopular wars, AND had to deal with the worst degree of political opposition faced by any president since Lincoln. Yet in your world, we never did anything good or right!

    Um, yeah, we DO have a message - it's called PROGRESS. Under Obama, we cut the deficit in half (though conservatives seem to not know the difference between "deficit" and "debt" e.g. Cheney's quote: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter")...whereas now that the GOP controls the whole doggone government, you're blowing up the deficit by at least $1.5 trillion dollars over the next decade. Our message is also SCIENCE - you know, the "S"-word that American conservatives are so offended by...since the rest of the planet - every single nation except for America is sticking by the Paris Accords, and the overwhelming majority of scientists (including almost all the climatologists) strongly agree concerning global warming. But then, why should we be surprised since conservatives don't think college is worth it anymore 'cause education isn't toeing the conservative dogma line...

    ...which, btw, is how we got to the GOP enthusiastically approving department heads with precisely ZERO experience in those departments! WE put in department heads with PhD's and long years of experience in those fields...but YOU put in a brain surgeon in charge of HUD, a billionaire with NO public education experience in charge of our Department of Education, a governor in charge of the Department of Energy who had publicly stated he wanted to get RID of the Department of Energy - and who didn't know that the DOE is what oversees all our nuclear weapons! Oh, and let's not forget the guys that Your Boy Trump nominated for lifetime judgeships who were deemed NOT QUALIFIED by the American Bar Association...including one idiot who literally had LESS courtroom experience as an attorney than I do! Why the heck do you think people are looking at the GOP as the "party of stupid"? Because y'all are being WILLFULLY stupid!

    The message of the Democratic party is PROGRESS - work WITH the rest of the planet, and lead by example and by noblesse oblige...

    whereas the message of the GOP is "Burn it ALL down!" - get rid of the Paris Accord, get rid of the TPP, get rid of the Affordable Care Act, get rid of the United Nations, and tear down the freaking Statue of Liberty since it represents our tradition as a nation of IMMIGRANTS.
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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I do agree if Dems place their entire election hopes on opposition to Trump, they may very well come up short but that depends on if there's a massive market correction in the mean time or if Trump starts a pointless and unnecessary war etc.

    Dems need to have a message but I think, the last election showed Americans are more progressive than Trump supporters will give the country credit for, yes Trump won but more people, by a pretty healthy margin agreed with and voted for Hillary.

    The problem is, Obama 08 genuinely made people feel hopeful that things in America could finally change because it is actually an extreme minority in America, but a powerful one that stands in the way of meaningful change in America, whether that be UHC or whatever... But I think alot of Dem voters realized that, if even someone with the tenacity, the optimism, the charisma of Obama couldn't succeed in breaking Washington to actually accomplish things for everyday people, who could?

    No one.

    And that's because Washington doesn't serve every day people and neither do most state legislatures, they serve their donors and big corporations and that does go for both parties.

    And ironically while many Conservatives will agree with me on that point, they will also largely defend Citizens United which made this problem exponentially worse because it, in essence legalized bribery and unless that decision is overturned and that's unlikely to happen... The situation will only get worse and while you all remain on your Republican/Democrat hamster wheel, the country sinks further into the abyss, most of the wealth rises to the top which Trump just made exponentially worse and Big Corporations pick the meat and bones away from the rest of the population and leave it decimated.
    Your statement on the DC entrenched political elite, I'd agree with. It is going to take quite a bit of inertia for change to overcome the inertia that doesn't want that change, complicated by those that don't want the change are in positions of power in DC.

    However.

    "Obama 08 genuinely made people feel hopeful that things in America could finally change"
    I don't agree with your assessment of this. There were quite a number of people that hunkered down with the aim to just survive the Obama term, and this was clearly visible with the lack of economic enthusiasm driven by his policies. Now, you could say that it was related to the financial collapse, and you'd be right, but the same lack of economic enthusiasm in his second term as well? I rather doubt that.
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