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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."

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    I think the Democratic Party is in a better position than the GOP. The GOP has Trump and GWB. Neither are popular. The Democratic Party has Obama and the Clinton's, and the Obama's seem pretty popular post office. Obama is a democratic party leader, but, of course, he cannot be president again.

    The GOP holds a majority but they are not effective at governing.

    The Democrats appear to be splitting along establishment and anti establishment lines, so it's hard to say where they are headed as well.

    In closing, I would say neither party is popular. Both establishments are out of favor with the general population, but at least the Democrats have a popular former president, whereas, the GOP has none.

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I think the Democratic Party is in a better position than the GOP. The GOP has Trump and GWB. Neither are popular. The Democratic Party has Obama and the Clinton's, and the Obama's seem pretty popular post office. Obama is a democratic party leader, but, of course, he cannot be president again.
    Can't argue about Trump or GWB's popularity, if we are to believe the polling.

    You must have missed the last election, Hillary wasn't a popular candidate, else why would Trump have beaten her? (Yes, an electoral college win, but still), polling led everyone to believe that she would win in a landslide, but didn't, and Obama stumping for her didn't overcome her unpopularity either:




    The GOP holds a majority but they are not effective at governing.

    The Democrats appear to be splitting along establishment and anti establishment lines, so it's hard to say where they are headed as well.
    There's a great big pull to the left, which some believe will gain the Dems more votes, but I'd observer that population statistics are a bell shaped curve, moving further left is where the number of voters falls off.

    In closing, I would say neither party is popular. Both establishments are out of favor with the general population, but at least the Democrats have a popular former president, whereas, the GOP has none.
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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    People.....Not a fan.

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Top House Democrats: 'Now is not the time' to impeach President Trum

    Perez, Pelosi, Hoyer are right. How many Dems do you think are setting aside their calls for impeachment and focusing on this? Enough?
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    Elect a Democrat, get a corrupt FBI, DOJ, IRS . . . . .

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."

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    Pretty much. When asked: Do you think the Democratic Party currently stands for something, or just stands against Trump? 37% of all Americans answered, "Stands for Something," But 52% of all Americans responded the Democratic Party is just the anti-Trump Party.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/...EeeUq1sfD_RZ3w

    Even so, I doubt that feeling will have an impact on next year's midterms. The first midterm is almost always a referendum on the president. How the midterms turn out will be more about Trump than the Democratic Party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Pretty much. When asked: Do you think the Democratic Party currently stands for something, or just stands against Trump? 37% of all Americans answered, "Stands for Something," But 52% of all Americans responded the Democratic Party is just the anti-Trump Party.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/...EeeUq1sfD_RZ3w

    Even so, I doubt that feeling will have an impact on next year's midterms. The first midterm is almost always a referendum on the president. How the midterms turn out will be more about Trump than the Democratic Party.
    True, midterm elections are more so a referendum on the President, his administration. Timing wise, if the potential / probably stock market correct is after the election, it would be better.

    The thought I just had, the Dems are going to run on 'we want/are going raise your taxes'? Not so sure that this will gain traction with the electorate.
    Last edited by eohrnberger; 12-26-17 at 04:43 PM.
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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Top House Democrats: 'Now is not the time' to impeach President Trum

    Perez, Pelosi, Hoyer are right. How many Dems do you think are setting aside their calls for impeachment and focusing on this? Enough?
    I haven't paid much attention to impeachment talk from dems but I doubt the numbers are much more than those republicans who wanted to impeach Obama.
    People.....Not a fan.

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    I'm definitely leaning no. The anti-Trump message is the most dominate thing going on right now, but Democrats will use healthcare as a major talking point. In a year it will be opposition to entitlement cuts. They don't have a leader. That much is true.

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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I haven't paid much attention to impeachment talk from dems but I doubt the numbers are much more than those republicans who wanted to impeach Obama.
    Maxine Waters is on the news at least once a week chanting 'Impeach 45!', so it kinds tells you who and where that's 'at'.
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    Re: OPINION: "Dems no message, no leader, nothing to brag about. Replaced by Impeach Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."

    Yes / No
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    Other: Elaborate
    Yes. That doesn't necessarily make them wrong, but it does make them a shambles of a party.

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