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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    "Society getting less"....sheesh. If people still have their money then it's already in society. Your concern seems to be more along the lines of government no longer being allowed to determine how much a given individual is allowed to have.
    No, my concern is for the sick and the poor. Maybe I am just more into the real story of Jesus than the Christians of America are today. Could be.

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    No, my concern is for the sick and the poor. Maybe I am just more into the real story of Jesus than the Christians of America are today. Could be.
    If your concern is for the sick and poor then feel free to help them. Nothing in this tax bill precludes you from donating to a food bank, taking a homeless person into your house, or providing comfort to the sick.

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Um... I don't know if CNN would be a good place to source information about politically charged stories. That would be akin to trusting the Fox News analysis of, say, the ACA.
    The Calculator they use is from conservative think tank sources if you read their intro.

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    one calculator said that i'd save a grand or so. the other one said between 0 and $210. when you take into account what i'll probably lose when they go after Medicare and other programs, even several thousand dollars a year wouldn't be worth it. imagine the research that won't get funded, too. the NIH and NSF cover a lot of fundamental research. that research is the foundation that for profit scientific innovation builds its house on. for example, when creating a new drug or therapy, researchers rely heavily on fundamental research like you would use a roadmap to get from New York to LA. idiots like Trump and many in the GOP seem to think that scientific research is nothing more than a conspiracy to keep them from putting gasoline in their cars. this is just astounding to someone who has spent most of his career in public research. i lost that job after the stupid sequester bull****, and am now in industry. i know both sides of it and how it works. if they pare back public research even more, it won't work in the mid to long term. also, consider education. we'll be left in the dust by other countries that aren't led by panting fools.

    so you got a couple grand? great. my advice is to save it. you'll need it.
    Well now your touching on a point that I was leading up to. Bottom line it wont be $2k or 3K per yerar. Paul Ryan is on record saying he wants to defund medicare and social security. The truth about a Christmas gift for America is absolutely true, if your one of the Koch brothers.

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I didnít include anything about itemizing and looking for a $2k tax cut for a couple that doesnít even owe $2k is ridiculous. They get a 20% tax cut. Expecting a tax cut of 100% or more is unrealistic.
    I didn't say you itemized. You use the standard deductions. And again the point I was working up to is people do seem to be under the impression that they would be getting 2k to 3k . I also feel this was unrealistic and that is why I ventured into this subject. But you can not blame people for believing this since this is what I have heard certain republican politician say. They can say this and be correct because it's over a ten year period. But those politicians wont say it's over a ten year period, they don't say that and let the listener believe it's an annual benefit. The truth is, all the assumptions so far about this bill are just that, assumptions. But it would not be folly to assume that our president and his family would benefit highly from this bill. Again,trickle down doesn't really trickle so well.

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich123 View Post
    Well now your touching on a point that I was leading up to. Bottom line it wont be $2k or 3K per yerar. Paul Ryan is on record saying he wants to defund medicare and social security. The truth about a Christmas gift for America is absolutely true, if your one of the Koch brothers.
    it isn't a Christmas gift for the vast majority in the mid to long term. short term, it will act like a delivery of coke to the poker table. then a crash will probably follow, as is usually the case with this kind of thing.

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    People who do not itemize will definitely be making out with the new plan. No question about that. And, the lower rates or higher threshold between rates (depending on how you want to look at it) can't hurt either.

    Of course, paying less is not my bitch about the new plan. Society getting less is however.
    Maybe some will benefit marginally. But the claims made by by the authors of the bill are only true if one knows that the two grand savings they tout is over ten years. But those authors don't say that which can lead some to believe it's an annual savings.

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    "Society getting less"....sheesh. If people still have their money then it's already in society. Your concern seems to be more along the lines of government no longer being allowed to determine how much a given individual is allowed to have.
    Sorry sir, I don't understand your point.

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    No, my concern is for the sick and the poor. Maybe I am just more into the real story of Jesus than the Christians of America are today. Could be.
    Well calamity, I'm with you. Jesus said; "What you do for the least of thee, you do for me also."

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    Re: I don't believe the Tax plan will save you what you think it will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If your concern is for the sick and poor then feel free to help them. Nothing in this tax bill precludes you from donating to a food bank, taking a homeless person into your house, or providing comfort to the sick.
    Absolute Lutherf, But since we are a Christian natioin, shouldn't we as a nation do as Jesus would have us do?

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