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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    A lot of people are going to pay less taxes. That is how you get votes. You do what you promised.
    The repubs are better at appealing to the lowest uneducated rube common denominator
    "it's my money"
    Don't care if they get $50 and screw the rest.
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    I guess they have no prob sucking off their socialist VA SS Medicare benefits

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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    https://www.fa-mag.com/news/rubio--o...its-35928.html


    One of my senators let the cat out of the bag.
    and those are the elephants in the room that neither side has been willing to tackle for decades now

    should they be addressed? you bet

    will they? probably not

    this congress will continue to kick the can down the road till there is no road left....like every congress before

    all sides know the three elephants are defense, social security, and medicare

    that is the only place serious cuts CAN come from....but neither D or R congresses have had the stones to address the issues

    so they just keep adding debt....more deficits and it doesnt matter what side is in power

    i would love it IF they actually would seriously talk about those 3 elephants....and work out how we are going to deal with them

    but i seriously doubt that will happen....no matter what the talking heads are saying right now
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Your basic idea is sound but let's make the example more real:

    If program A is meant to pay folks that do not earn enough to support themselves and their dependents (aka the "safety net") then any increase in employment opportunity or wages should reduce those in need of program A. That is what the republicants are counting on - whether that pans out or not will dictate their political future.
    Well considering the rates are dropping from almost 40% down to 21% (approx 47% decrease), I'd say my numbers are more accurate

    This is the thing though, supply side economics is a complete fantasy.

    Corps don't buy new factories and hire new people unless there is a real increase in demand, or they have a solid reason to believe demand will increase in the near future. Having idle/non productive assets sitting around can bleed a corp dry, and make the stockholders very unhappy. In my personal experience, corps are very risk adverse. They will not invest in people or infrastructure unless they have a high degree of confidence in an initiative.
    If you have to resort to insults, name calling, ad hominem attacks, straw men, red herrings, appeals to authority, and other dirty debate tactics, the veracity of you argument is questionable.

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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    and those are the elephants in the room that neither side has been willing to tackle for decades now

    should they be addressed? you bet

    will they? probably not

    this congress will continue to kick the can down the road till there is no road left....like every congress before

    all sides know the three elephants are defense, social security, and medicare

    that is the only place serious cuts CAN come from....but neither D or R congresses have had the stones to address the issues

    so they just keep adding debt....more deficits and it doesnt matter what side is in power

    i would love it IF they actually would seriously talk about those 3 elephants....and work out how we are going to deal with them

    but i seriously doubt that will happen....no matter what the talking heads are saying right now
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I think the Dems blew it. They did their Chicken Little routine on the tax bill but they lost the message. The GOP has branded this bill as a "tax cut for the middle class" and on the end of the day, more than 80 percent of Americans will see a tax cut their first year. Yeah, some future Congress may allow the individual rates to go up, but it is unlikely. So the Dems who successfully allied with the national media to create the impression that this was only a tax cut for the wealthy may have done a disservice to themselves in the long run. Granted that the wealthy will enjoy six times the benefits as the rest of us combined, but that doesn't make as compelling a soundbyte as "Armageddon!"

    The message could have been on debt, high interest rates, rising inflation, and low wages. Once consumer confidence peaks, reality will likely set in, and the true cost of this bill will not be measured by how much of your paycheck you get to keep, but if your paycheck remains the same wage, buys less than it did before, and is split in more ways to pay down debts. The GOP knows nothing is free, and they are betting that average Americans will forget it and reward them for generously undermining their future to finance a measly middle class tax cut and a massive wealthy tax cut. Let's see how it plays out. My money is on the GOP.
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Pretty much....
    On the other hand, how can anyone celebrate a bill that robs you blind?
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
    Debt will increase because revenue will decrease. So for example, let's say program A cost $10 to operate. If your tax revenues were $10 before the tax cut, you could pay for it without any issues. But now, with the cut, tax revenues will only be $6, so in order to maintain program A, you will have to borrow $4.

    As an alternative to borrowing, the GOP will likely slash and burn such programs to balance the budget.
    Well there are alternatives.
    - Cut such programs, but that won't happen. Never does since the programs were born from borrowed money with no concern for revenue to begin with. After all, the debt had doubled with nary a thought of revenue.
    - The other possibility is that the economy doesn't have to be as static as it had been and revenues will grow as the economy grows. For that we'll have to see.
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL Spending is a given, revenue is determined by tax rates passed by Congress. The difference is what causes debt.
    The difference is what causes deficits.
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    Hint: There's a reason that the price tag for these cuts is (usual estimate) 1.5 trillion.
    You're talking about deficits.
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You're talking about deficits.
    Deficits become debt. What's your point? My point id that most of this is both unwise an unnecessary. The main beneficiaries of this thing are already sitting on hordes of cash.

    The price tag for this is estimated to be 1.5 trillion. Where did you think that money was coming from?
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