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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
    Without an individual mandate (or whatever they decide to call it), anything they come up with will run into the same issues as the ACA.
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
    Not paying the individual mandate creates a huge loophole, that allows people to get emergency medical care for free. If someone get into a major accident, is treated at a hospital, but can't afford to pay, then who pays the bill? The taxpayer does. At least the IM covers this risk to some degree. Everyone is going to need medical care eventually. Paying into the system now to keep it viable in the future (when you will likely need it), is not unreasonable.
    One, the individual mandate is failing to do what you are claiming to do as many are just opting to pay the fine

    Health plans like you described ("market based systems") with high premiums and high deductibles were around long before the ACA existed. Without an employer paying part of the costs, people will face those same high cost/high deductible issues that you claim are unique to the ACA.
    Again, you are going on false assumptions. The only employers who are really paying for a significant portion of their employees healthcare are the big companies, mostly fortune 500 companies that can afford it. The majority of Americans do not work for those types of employers. Most Americans are employed by small businesses. Those small businesses are primarily just offering group health insurance with the employee primarily footing the bill. When Obamacare canceled my individual policy, I checked the rates for my employer offered health insurance and the rates were even higher. and the problem is that the employer mandate is killing many job opportunities. As soon as the employer mandate hit, my employer restricted all new hire with rare exception to part time employment so they would not have to provide healthcare. I know you would like for Obamacare to be rescued at some level, however it is simply a failed concept that has never performed as advertised. It benefits a small few at great expense to everyone else.
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    O It benefits a small few at great expense to everyone else.
    You mean like the GOP tax plan?

    Thank you, that was a good explanation! Personally, I have worked for small companies that offered subsidized health insurance, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the exception, not the rule.
    If you have to resort to insults, name calling, ad hominem attacks, straw men, red herrings, appeals to authority, and other dirty debate tactics, the veracity of you argument is questionable.

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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
    You mean like the GOP tax plan?

    Thank you, that was a good explanation! Personally, I have worked for small companies that offered subsidized health insurance, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the exception, not the rule.
    That is the exception, not the rule. Most small businesses cannot afford to subsidize health insurance at today's rates. As for the GOP tax plan, everyone who pays federal income taxes gets a tax cut. if anyone is hurt by the tax cuts bill...it's those who live in overtaxed blue states as state income taxes as state and local income taxes will no longer be subsidized by the feds. However in the long run that's a good thing as those of you in the blue states may finally hold your state and local politicians accountable. They will either lower the taxes or see a mass exodus to states that don't rape their incomes.
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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by MrPeanut View Post
    That's what I've been saying. The individual mandate was the glue that held the ACA together. Getting rid of it will cause massive destabilization of an already unstable individual insurance market. We are going to have to disagree on the effectiveness of nationalized healthcare. You seem to have this idea that it's a horrible system even though it's very popular in every country that has it. What is your vision of a truly market based healthcare system?
    It's popular because it's basically free. Quality wise, it sucks. If we instituted single payer healthcare in the US, probably about 2/3's of Americans would see their quality of care plummet.

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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
    Without the individual mandate, the ACA will fail, no doubt.

    But what do the Republicans plan to replace it with?

    The system that was in place prior to the ACA was far from ideal. Cost were increasing annually by double digits. Do you really think the majority of people want to go back to that?

    Without a viable replacement, the Republicans will be shooting themselves in the foot with a bazooka politically.
    Both Democrats and Republicans need to work together to make a working bipartisan plan. So far Democrats have done nothing but form the Restistance. They refuse to even discuss repealing Obamacare and replacing it with a better bipartisan plan. To them it is either Obamacare or nothing.

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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
    You break it, you buy it.

    Why should the Dems be responsible for fixing something that the Reps intentionally threw a wrench into?

    If your car got a flat tire, would you intentionally puncture it with a second hole?

    Regardless, the Reps don't need the Dems. They can pass anything they want along party lines, so it's up to them to fix.

    The buck stops with those in charge, and right now, that's the Reps.
    The arrogance of the Dems is what led to all of this. They crammed through a partisan plan with zero Republican votes, admitting that the plan would need tweaking in the future, and then just assumed that they would be a party in power forever.

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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by Former GOP View Post
    This tax bill was anything but conservative. Sure it gives most Americans some tax relief but the middle class will mostly see minor cuts. It doesn't cut government spending, in fact it balloons the deficit even further.

    Another thing I dislike about this bill is the child tax credits. Parents are already getting a $1,000 per child credit, and now it will be increased to $2,000 per child. This is nothing more than free government money handed to someone just for popping out children. Not conservative or fiscally responsible at all. In fact this idea is more along the lines of socialism.
    The child tax credits were expanded because personal exemptions were dropped.

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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
    Source? (FOX news, Infowars, and other blatantly conservative rags, are not valid sources...)

    The ACA was a compromise bill (between different players in the industry), so it came out of the gate limping.

    The biggest issues that made things worse:

    1. They overestimated the number of young healthy people who would sign up.
    2. The website went live without sufficient testing.
    3. The Republicans successfully framed the narrative in terms of the individual mandate as a infringement on person freedoms.
    4. They had to work within the framework of each state, making it difficult to apply consistently.
    5. States with Republican control did everything in their power to cause issues/exacerbate existing issues at the state level.
    If the ACA was a compromise bill then why did zero Republicans vote for it? Obviously it was NOT a compromise bill.

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    Re: GOP poised to win the PR war

    Quote Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
    Without an individual mandate (or whatever they decide to call it), anything they come up with will run into the same issues as the ACA.

    Their only alternative is to revert back to the system in place prior to the ACA, but people won't like that either (poor coverage and high premiums that increase by double digits annually).
    If we come up with a market based plan that addresses the root costs of healthcare, the market will keep costs down. The mandate would not be needed. Of course, only those who want coverage will have it. The left wants to force everyone to buy insurance.

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