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Tribalism on DP/in real life

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A lot of the analysts keep saying Tribal politics is ruining america, or tribalism is worse than it's ever been. After the election Tuesday, which actually felt like a national election, I would tend to agree, especially on the internet.

I have seen more extreme comments than ever before online and underneath all of the hate and all of the rhetoric politics in America has boiled down to, "Na Na Na Na." or "I was right." There is no more discussion about issues. If there ever were and if you do talk about certain hot button topics. EX: Gun Control, Abortion, Global Warming and go in with a different point of view, people don't debate your view. They just call you an idiot.

So the question is, has it always been this bad on DP? In your life?

*Yes I realize I do this too.
 
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
A lot of the analysts keep saying Tribal politics is ruining america, or tribalism is worse than it's ever been. After the election Tuesday, which actually felt like a national election, I would tend to agree, especially on the internet.

I have seen more extreme comments than ever before online and underneath all of the hate and all of the rhetoric politics in America has boiled down to, "Na Na Na Na." or "I was right." There is no more discussion about issues. If there ever were and if you do talk about certain hot button topics. EX: Gun Control, Abortion, Global Warming and go in with a different point of view, people don't debate your view. They just call you an idiot.

So the question is, has it always been this bad on DP? In your life?

*Yes I realize I do this too.
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Absolutely! Only one remark. The antitrumpian tribe is worst.

;)
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
A lot of the analysts keep saying Tribal politics is ruining america, or tribalism is worse than it's ever been. After the election Tuesday, which actually felt like a national election, I would tend to agree, especially on the internet.

I have seen more extreme comments than ever before online and underneath all of the hate and all of the rhetoric politics in America has boiled down to, "Na Na Na Na." or "I was right." There is no more discussion about issues. If there ever were and if you do talk about certain hot button topics. EX: Gun Control, Abortion, Global Warming and go in with a different point of view, people don't debate your view. They just call you an idiot.

So the question is, has it always been this bad on DP? In your life?

*Yes I realize I do this too.
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It has been at least close since I joined. I joined during the 2008 election, and it got pretty ugly at times.
 
That's the way identity politics is designed to work. The whole purpose of identity politics is to divide people who would otherwise seek common ground, isolate them and encourage them to insulate themselves from everyone that isn't the party. It's the exact same method that cult leaders use to break off people from society and keep them cloistered. The idea is to crush the very concept of free will and replace it with reliance on the ruling body. The perpetrators of such schemes ALWAYS see themselves as saviors rather than oppressors. Jim Jones, Kim Jong Un, Charles Manson....all cut from the same cloth.

Think about what you're saying. You don't like the idea of "tribal politics" but you guys on the left are the ones targeting racial divides, gender divides, ethnicity divides, economic divides, etc. You guys THRIVE on that stuff and rail against the rest of us when we oppose it. It is anti-liberty ideas that create, manipulate and perpetuate these divides.
 
Lutherf said:
That's the way identity politics is designed to work. The whole purpose of identity politics is to divide people who would otherwise seek common ground, isolate them and encourage them to insulate themselves from everyone that isn't the party. It's the exact same method that cult leaders use to break off people from society and keep them cloistered. The idea is to crush the very concept of free will and replace it with reliance on the ruling body. The perpetrators of such schemes ALWAYS see themselves as saviors rather than oppressors. Jim Jones, Kim Jong Un, Charles Manson....all cut from the same cloth.

Think about what you're saying. You don't like the idea of "tribal politics" but you guys on the left are the ones targeting racial divides, gender divides, ethnicity divides, economic divides, etc. You guys THRIVE on that stuff and rail against the rest of us when we oppose it. It is anti-liberty ideas that create, manipulate and perpetuate these divides.
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You just said you hated identity politics but then lumped a bunch of people together you consider the "left" and basically compared them to a cult destroying freedom and dividing the country..

WTF..?
 
I definitely agree that most politics is just tribalism, but I think to some extent it always has been. We are just at a point now where I think politicians understand they don't have to go through the work of talking about specific policy. Instead they can use a few buzz words and they get the same reaction. I would say that DP is both better and worse than the political conversations I have in everyday life. There are regular threads on DP where people write in greater depth about a topic than any regular conversation I would have with a friend. There are also regular threads that are way out there with bias and conspiracy on a level that I'm not used to in real life.
 
KerouacJack said:
You just said you hated identity politics but then lumped a bunch of people together you consider the "left" and basically compared them to a cult destroying freedom and dividing the country..

WTF..?
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Its divide and conquer. Oldest tri k in the book.

The problem is getting folks to admit their side does it too.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
A lot of the analysts keep saying Tribal politics is ruining america, or tribalism is worse than it's ever been. After the election Tuesday, which actually felt like a national election, I would tend to agree, especially on the internet.

I have seen more extreme comments than ever before online and underneath all of the hate and all of the rhetoric politics in America has boiled down to, "Na Na Na Na." or "I was right." There is no more discussion about issues. If there ever were and if you do talk about certain hot button topics. EX: Gun Control, Abortion, Global Warming and go in with a different point of view, people don't debate your view. They just call you an idiot.

So the question is, has it always been this bad on DP? In your life?

*Yes I realize I do this too.
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Yes...but people on Debate politics are the most tribal of voters. If you come to a website to debate politics then you are pretty passionate.
 
joG said:
Absolutely! Only one remark. The antitrumpian tribe is worst.

;)
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Only because you do not see how horrible Trump is.
 
Lutherf said:
That's the way identity politics is designed to work. The whole purpose of identity politics is to divide people who would otherwise seek common ground, isolate them and encourage them to insulate themselves from everyone that isn't the party. It's the exact same method that cult leaders use to break off people from society and keep them cloistered. The idea is to crush the very concept of free will and replace it with reliance on the ruling body. The perpetrators of such schemes ALWAYS see themselves as saviors rather than oppressors. Jim Jones, Kim Jong Un, Charles Manson....all cut from the same cloth.

Think about what you're saying. You don't like the idea of "tribal politics" but you guys on the left are the ones targeting racial divides, gender divides, ethnicity divides, economic divides, etc. You guys THRIVE on that stuff and rail against the rest of us when we oppose it. It is anti-liberty ideas that create, manipulate and perpetuate these divides.
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The irony of this post cannot be overstated.

You condemn identity politics and then incoherently ramble about how it's all the fault of the left.
 
KerouacJack said:
You just said you hated identity politics but then lumped a bunch of people together you consider the "left" and basically compared them to a cult destroying freedom and dividing the country..

WTF..?
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Damn, you beat me to it!
 
KerouacJack said:
You just said you hated identity politics but then lumped a bunch of people together you consider the "left" and basically compared them to a cult destroying freedom and dividing the country..

WTF..?
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Absentglare said:
The irony of this post cannot be overstated.

You condemn identity politics and then incoherently ramble about how it's all the fault of the left.
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If political "tribalism" didn't exist then we wouldn't be having this conversation. The OP even suggests that it's a problem in society. My recognition of the problem and discussion of the causes of the problem does not create or extend the problem. Your choice to ridicule the discussion instead of engage in substantive consideration of the issues is merely a symptom of your choice to embrace the ideology of division.

Do you or do you not believe that "political tribalism" is a growing problem in this country? Do you believe that it even exists?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
A lot of the analysts keep saying Tribal politics is ruining america, or tribalism is worse than it's ever been. After the election Tuesday, which actually felt like a national election, I would tend to agree, especially on the internet.

I have seen more extreme comments than ever before online and underneath all of the hate and all of the rhetoric politics in America has boiled down to, "Na Na Na Na." or "I was right." There is no more discussion about issues. If there ever were and if you do talk about certain hot button topics. EX: Gun Control, Abortion, Global Warming and go in with a different point of view, people don't debate your view. They just call you an idiot.

So the question is, has it always been this bad on DP? In your life?

*Yes I realize I do this too.
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The political system is managed by the aristocracy, just like the economic system. The people can debate or fling poo all they like; utterly irrelevant.
 
The bad old days have returned - its even worse than the Nixon years when we last had such tribal divisions. And we owe it all to Trumplethinskin.

DP is just a reflection of that.
 
Redress said:
It has been at least close since I joined. I joined during the 2008 election, and it got pretty ugly at times.
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Yep,how soon people forget. Obama's bc, BO being the antichrist, his husband being a chimp, misspoken words...what else? It was silly then, it is silly now. I just hope we don't ever have something sinister to worry about, like rocket man succeeding, or a significant isis attack on our soil. As long as we worry about Trump's hair color and his wife's accent, as long as we can happily hate on each other, we should be good, spoiled, fat and happy.
People are starving, people are homeless, soldiers are dying in foreign countries, murder, mayhem in our streets, those are some of the things we should be focusing on. Every man, woman, child and animal should be afforded dignity and basic life necessities.
I am the first to admit that it feels good, momentarily, to send off some cheap shots. Every time I do, I wonder why and am ashamed of myself.
Sincerely
work in progress.
 
Lutherf said:
That's the way identity politics is designed to work. The whole purpose of identity politics is to divide people who would otherwise seek common ground, isolate them and encourage them to insulate themselves from everyone that isn't the party. It's the exact same method that cult leaders use to break off people from society and keep them cloistered. The idea is to crush the very concept of free will and replace it with reliance on the ruling body. The perpetrators of such schemes ALWAYS see themselves as saviors rather than oppressors. Jim Jones, Kim Jong Un, Charles Manson....all cut from the same cloth.

Think about what you're saying. You don't like the idea of "tribal politics" but you guys on the left are the ones targeting racial divides, gender divides, ethnicity divides, economic divides, etc. You guys THRIVE on that stuff and rail against the rest of us when we oppose it. It is anti-liberty ideas that create, manipulate and perpetuate these divides.
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If you think that only the left target the divides listed above, pass whatever the hell you’re smoking, because it must be the good stuff.

Like so many other phrases, “identity politics” has been used as a cudgel to shut down debate so many times that it’s lost all meaning.
 
calamity said:
Only because you do not see how horrible Trump is.
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Oh, but I do and say so whenever appropriate. It's just that the tribe is acting like a swarm of idiots.
 
joG said:
Oh, but I do and say so whenever appropriate. It's just that the tribe is acting like a swarm of idiots.
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Well, my solution is let the Trumpians form their own country and live in Trumpland. The rest of us want our country back.
 
Lutherf said:
If political "tribalism" didn't exist then we wouldn't be having this conversation. The OP even suggests that it's a problem in society. My recognition of the problem and discussion of the causes of the problem does not create or extend the problem. Your choice to ridicule the discussion instead of engage in substantive consideration of the issues is merely a symptom of your choice to embrace the ideology of division.

Do you or do you not believe that "political tribalism" is a growing problem in this country? Do you believe that it even exists?
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Sorry, but your choice to unjustifiably blame "the left" for tribalism does, in fact, extend the problem.

It takes two to tango.
 
Fenton Lum said:
The political system is managed by the aristocracy, just like the economic system. The people can debate or fling poo all they like; utterly irrelevant.
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Do you realize what you are saying?

You're saying Americans are ****ing sheep who will follow any leader who sounds like he knows where the clover is. No spines.

And that IS the problem. American politics are about what people "DON'T" want. The vote in Alabama was not FOR the democrat, it was AGAINST a man whose past was so disgusting it was easy to pull new votes, from female blacks, and stop him cold.

And that's where I am critical of American politics. Your politicians do not fear you. I am not talking about senate probes or simple defeats at the polls, but the humiliation that comes when you have failed an entire group of people.

The more I think about Tuesday's win the more I believe that 'decent America' has given up on the system long ago and don't vote. What it said is that that vote is like a cherry tree, it needs to be picked

But I do not know how you will ever get off the negative campaign. Try as I might I have had to work to even find little bits of the policy debate of the vote, only the personalities...which makes me very uneasy as I thought that ended in high school
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
A lot of the analysts keep saying Tribal politics is ruining america, or tribalism is worse than it's ever been. After the election Tuesday, which actually felt like a national election, I would tend to agree, especially on the internet.

I have seen more extreme comments than ever before online and underneath all of the hate and all of the rhetoric politics in America has boiled down to, "Na Na Na Na." or "I was right." There is no more discussion about issues. If there ever were and if you do talk about certain hot button topics. EX: Gun Control, Abortion, Global Warming and go in with a different point of view, people don't debate your view. They just call you an idiot.

So the question is, has it always been this bad on DP? In your life?

*Yes I realize I do this too.
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I can't speak to DP specifically for a long period of time, but across all boards I've been on, it seems to me that there's been a pretty steady increase in crapulence since Obama became a serious contender for the Dem nomination.


I mean, I'm even on this one board dedicated to a company that makes new audio-only version of episodes (ie, "radio plays") of an old British sci-fi, and even there we've had one dip**** show up and start trolling with anti-liberal pro-Trump nonsense. The same Breitbart/Limbaugh/Fox crap that gets paraphrased here. Someone was motivated to go to a completely non-political site, about the products from a British company, just to *get* American liberals. It really is amazing.
 
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Lutherf said:
That's the way identity politics is designed to work. The whole purpose of identity politics is to divide people who would otherwise seek common ground, isolate them and encourage them to insulate themselves from everyone that isn't the party. It's the exact same method that cult leaders use to break off people from society and keep them cloistered. The idea is to crush the very concept of free will and replace it with reliance on the ruling body. The perpetrators of such schemes ALWAYS see themselves as saviors rather than oppressors. Jim Jones, Kim Jong Un, Charles Manson....all cut from the same cloth.

Think about what you're saying. You don't like the idea of "tribal politics" but you guys on the left are the ones targeting racial divides, gender divides, ethnicity divides, economic divides, etc. You guys THRIVE on that stuff and rail against the rest of us when we oppose it. It is anti-liberty ideas that create, manipulate and perpetuate these divides.
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I bet you really think there's any irony in your having entered this particular thread to post that anti-left rant.

Your post is the paradigm of the problem being discussed. Just... oy!


:doh
 
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
A lot of the analysts keep saying Tribal politics is ruining america, or tribalism is worse than it's ever been. After the election Tuesday, which actually felt like a national election, I would tend to agree, especially on the internet.

I have seen more extreme comments than ever before online and underneath all of the hate and all of the rhetoric politics in America has boiled down to, "Na Na Na Na." or "I was right." There is no more discussion about issues. If there ever were and if you do talk about certain hot button topics. EX: Gun Control, Abortion, Global Warming and go in with a different point of view, people don't debate your view. They just call you an idiot.

So the question is, has it always been this bad on DP? In your life?

*Yes I realize I do this too.
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To an extent though I think the stormfront interruption flooded discussion sites with rather polarizing people as well. DP strikes me as predominantly older hard-right conservative regulars with a few liberals thrown in who are slaves to intellectual abstraction as opposed to hard reality.
 
Mr Person said:
I can't speak to DP specifically for a long period of time, but across all boards I've been on, it seems to me that there's been a pretty steady increase in crapulence since Obama became a serious contender for the Dem nomination.


I mean, I'm even on this one board dedicated to a company that makes new audio-only version of episodes (ie, "radio plays") of an old British sci-fi, and even there we've had one dip**** show up and start trolling with anti-liberal pro-Trump nonsense. The same Breitbart/Limbaugh/Fox crap that gets paraphrased here. Someone was motivated to go to a completely non-political site, about the products from a British company, just to *get* American liberals. It really is amazing.
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I admit it was fun when it was actually about policy matters (I wouldn't go so far as to go to do it on a non-political site). But now it's just sad and you need to be a pro-trump dude to participate. Otherwise you're a liberal. Republicans still have no new ideas in 10 years. They had a senate candidate ride to his vote on a freaking horse!!!!
 
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