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Sarah Sanders makes fundamental and serious error

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I will post the transcript as it becomes available or the video - but White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders really blew it big time when she attempted to say that the American people knew of the allegations against Trump from female accusers but the American people voted for Trump anyways. She used this to justify his election and the dismissal of any further accusations.

Only wrong problem with invoking the will of the people like that: the will of the people as demonstrate by the vote went AGAINST TRUMP by over 2.8 million.

If Sanders is pretending - and the White House is pretending - that the election was a referendum on who the American people believed regarding the Trump *****-grabbing accusations - the numbers show that millions more went against him than went for him

You would think somebody in her position would know better - but then she is probably just following orders.
 
The administration has been calling their electoral college victory "the will of the American people" since the election. It is a small spin job, but I don't see it as a huge mistake. Yes, it is not a fair comparison, but hardly the worst thing she has said.
 
The more I see of the President’s press secretary, the less I care for her. She does have an impossible job. Have to wonder what she is like when she is off the clock. Press gave her a workout today....
 
MrPeanut said:
The administration has been calling their electoral college victory "the will of the American people" since the election. It is a small spin job, but I don't see it as a huge mistake. Yes, it is not a fair comparison, but hardly the worst thing she has said.
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It is a fundamental mistake to invoke the Trump being in office will the will of the people which went against them by a significant margin.

I agree it is NOT the worst thing she has ever done. But it still is fundamentally wrong and should be called out when it happens.
 
haymarket said:
I will post the transcript as it becomes available or the video - but White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders really blew it big time when she attempted to say that the American people knew of the allegations against Trump from female accusers but the American people voted for Trump anyways. She used this to justify his election and the dismissal of any further accusations.

Only wrong problem with invoking the will of the people like that: the will of the people as demonstrate by the vote went AGAINST TRUMP by over 2.8 million.

If Sanders is pretending - and the White House is pretending - that the election was a referendum on who the American people believed regarding the Trump *****-grabbing accusations - the numbers show that millions more went against him than went for him

You would think somebody in her position would know better - but then she is probably just following orders.
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Again..... Hillary lost, she really, really lost! It's president Trump! No one cares about the silly excuses. She LOST!
No one cares that you guys hate president Trump. We all get the idea.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Again..... Hillary lost, she really, really lost! It's president Trump! No one cares about the silly excuses. She LOST!
No one cares that you guys hate president Trump. We all get the idea.
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That is NOT the topic of this thread. Please do NOT persist in trying to hijack it. If you want to talk about your obsession with Clinton, please start your own thread.
 
haymarket said:
I will post the transcript as it becomes available or the video - but White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders really blew it big time when she attempted to say that the American people knew of the allegations against Trump from female accusers but the American people voted for Trump anyways. She used this to justify his election and the dismissal of any further accusations.

Only wrong problem with invoking the will of the people like that: the will of the people as demonstrate by the vote went AGAINST TRUMP by over 2.8 million.

If Sanders is pretending - and the White House is pretending - that the election was a referendum on who the American people believed regarding the Trump *****-grabbing accusations - the numbers show that millions more went against him than went for him

You would think somebody in her position would know better - but then she is probably just following orders.
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Sanders is right -- the American people had heard the accusations, and, as far as I know, dismissed them.

The Electoral College IS the will of the people, so, right there, too.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Sanders is right -- the American people had heard the accusations, and, as far as I know, dismissed them.

The Electoral College IS the will of the people, so, right there, too.
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The Electoral College is NOT the will of the people when it goes against the will of the people and has done so many times now. In fact you should read Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 68 to see how he explained that one of its purposes was to thwart the w3ill be people by allowing a small number of special people - elites to override the will of the people as expressed in their votes.

If the numbers of people voting in the election are a referendum on the Trump accusations - then 2.8 MORE million Americans went against Trump than went for him. That hard cold undeniable mathematical reality disproves the false Sanders premise that the American people decided the issue in favor of Trump.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Sanders is right -- the American people had heard the accusations, and, as far as I know, dismissed them.

The Electoral College IS the will of the people, so, right there, too.
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Pretty broad statement, about 'the American people'. 63 million voted for Trump, more or less, out of 236 milion voters, more or less. Phrases like, 'the American people' and 'the will of the people' sound good in grade 8 civics classes but they're just meaningless.
 
haymarket said:
It is a fundamental mistake to invoke the Trump being in office will the will of the people which went against them by a significant margin.

I agree it is NOT the worst thing she has ever done. But it still is fundamentally wrong and should be called out when it happens.
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You are smart enough to know how we do elections for POTUS.[unless you keep proving you're not}
 
haymarket said:
The Electoral College is NOT the will of the people when it goes against the will of the people and has done so many times now. In fact you should read Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 68 to see how he explained that one of its purposes was to thwart the w3ill be people by allowing a small number of special people - elites to override the will of the people as expressed in their votes.

If the numbers of people voting in the election are a referendum on the Trump accusations - then 2.8 MORE million Americans went against Trump than went for him. That hard cold undeniable mathematical reality disproves the false Sanders premise that the American people decided the issue in favor of Trump.
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It keeps people like you from running the country. I, for one, am ecstatic.
 
WCH said:
You are smart enough to know how we do elections for POTUS.[unless you keep proving you're not}
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I have no problem with anyone claiming Trump was legally elected. I agree that he was.

But when the American people voted by 2.8 million MORE votes for the loser of the Electoral College vote, the winner of that process cannot invoke the will of the people to justify their election as the Electoral College is there to sometimes thwart that very will of the people.

Read Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper 68 and he makes that very clear as their function.
 
WCH said:
It keeps people like you from running the country. I, for one, am ecstatic.
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Attacking me because you perceive me as your political enemy is not debate of the issues.
 
haymarket said:
Only wrong problem with invoking the will of the people like that: the will of the people as demonstrate by the vote went AGAINST TRUMP by over 2.8 million.
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Those were illegal votes, anyways. :2razz:
 
MrPeanut said:
The administration has been calling their electoral college victory "the will of the American people" since the election.
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Which is quite ironic, as the electoral college was set up as a check against the will of the people.
 
HowardBThiname said:
The Electoral College IS the will of the people, so, right there, too.
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haymarket said:
The Electoral College is NOT the will of the people when it goes against the will of the people and has done so many times now. In fact you should read Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 68 to see how he explained that one of its purposes was to thwart the w3ill be people by allowing a small number of special people - elites to override the will of the people as expressed in their votes.
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Oh great. Now look what you did.
Howard, i hope you're happy. :doh
 
haymarket said:
The Electoral College is NOT the will of the people when it goes against the will of the people and has done so many times now. In fact you should read Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 68 to see how he explained that one of its purposes was to thwart the w3ill be people by allowing a small number of special people - elites to override the will of the people as expressed in their votes.

If the numbers of people voting in the election are a referendum on the Trump accusations - then 2.8 MORE million Americans went against Trump than went for him. That hard cold undeniable mathematical reality disproves the false Sanders premise that the American people decided the issue in favor of Trump.
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You run a different race for a popular vote election than an electoral college election. In states like NY and CA... WA and OR... many on the right figure what’s the point in voting?

Trump is president 306 to 232. In the end it was 304 - 227. Hillary lost 250% more electoral college votes than Trump after the election.

Trump got a huge chunk of D’s to vote for him too, otherwise the entirety of the Blue Wall States would never have fallen for him. We thank them.

I realize it’s been a tough 13-months, but you’re not making it easier on yourself.

You know, it makes winning even sweeter waking up every morning knowing Hillary Clinton is not and never will be President of these United States of America.

She lost the game that mattered... and it wasn’t even close.
 
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haymarket said:
I have no problem with anyone claiming Trump was legally elected. I agree that he was.

But when the American people voted by 2.8 million MORE votes for the loser of the Electoral College vote, the winner of that process cannot invoke the will of the people to justify their election as the Electoral College is there to sometimes thwart that very will of the people.

Read Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper 68 and he makes that very clear as their function.
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It can. He was the winner as per the rules.

Once again, you run a different election for an electoral college than you do for a popular vote election.

Your crying isn;t going to do anything but make us victors feel even better about Trump deconstructing Obama’s pen and paper empire, the mass of regs he built up, stacking the courts with originalists, cutting taxes, eliminating ISIS, fighting terrorism, stopping illegal immigration, and hopefully the tax bill will have the silver bullet to end the Careless Affordable Care Act (CACA).

What a wonderful 10.5-months.

Trump 306 - Hillary 232.
End of story.
 
WCH said:
It keeps people like you from running the country. I, for one, am ecstatic.
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People like him? You mean voters?

Would you still have said the same thing if Trump had won the popular vote but if Shillery had won the EC? I bet you would be calling for the EC to be abolished right now if the election was flip flopped.
 
If we are going to elect the POTUS based upon the electorial college, then fine, let's return to the origional situation where the electorial college representative's names were listed on the ballot, and to when those representatives didn't pre-commit to a candidate.
 
Grand Mal said:
Pretty broad statement, about 'the American people'. 63 million voted for Trump, more or less, out of 236 milion voters, more or less. Phrases like, 'the American people' and 'the will of the people' sound good in grade 8 civics classes but they're just meaningless.
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It's the result of those who exercised their right to vote. Non-interested parties voting does not create a better result. The will of the people is actually an apropos term -- it represents the views of those who take the time to learn (at least minimally) about the politicians and their policies. The EC gives us a much better outcome for the geographical nation, than would a popular vote.
 
Geoist said:
Nope.

The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy.
The Reason for the Electoral College - FactCheck.org
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Yep. It's the will of the greatest "geographical spread" of the citizens, which is the fairest method for all.
 
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