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Debbie Wesson Gibson dated Roy Moore when she was seventeen.

GDViking said:
Getting rich through public office? Are you freaking kidding have you been paying attention to his business dealings since taking ofice (illegal")...
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the clintons, Obamas, Gores all have become multimillionaires as a result of holding public office
 
GDViking said:
Bush jr was a notorious coke head and his dad was In charge of smuggling untold tons of cocaine into the us, and Reagan was the first president to admit to smoking.pot.

So the clean republican was Ford.
And now the conservatives are sinking so low they are supporting child molester.
It's all good as long as it someone elses daughter

Just unreal!!!
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that's barking loon Conspiracy theory sort of stuff
 
JMR said:
I remember several stories about Trump and his friend Jeffrey Epstein and a lot of coke and some very young party attendees. I'm very interested in this new posturing that as long as you don't admit it , it's fine!! But if you do admit it, you should be prosecuted.

Let me guess, the stories about Trump are not so, but speculation about Obama's EXTENSIVE drug use is cool. Just getting ready for response.
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did Obama admit to doing drugs in his book?
 
Crovax said:
It’s not an analogy it’s a moral question and I assume your answer is no. So we can both agree that the standard for passing your legislative agenda is 0 children molested. So why would it be ok for Alabama to elect a child molester (IF the allegations are true) simply to have 1 vote in the senate for all of 12 months.
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has Moore been convicted of this? 40 years later its coming out?
 
Rich123 said:
But if you believe that Moore is a pedophile, and you vote for him anyway because of those ideals of which you spoke, then you are choosing what you see as evil just for your temporal gain. "What has a man gained if he wins the world but losses his sole?" If you have children, how can you tell your son to respect women when you voted for a pedophile? How can you tell your daughter that she shouldn't date a man twice her age when you voted for a pedophile? Your actions always have consequences.
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I have to make a correction. I meant to write soul not (sole). If my mistake provided some levity , then that makes me happy. It is kind of funny. Why would you loose your shoes?
 
Rich123 said:
So you would make a deal with the devil if it furthered your needs? If you know in your heart that the allegations against Moore are true, and you vote for him anyway, how do you tell your son to respect women, how do you tell your daughter not to date a man twice her age. Having some moral authority is something that is acquired by making the right decisions.
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I am an agnostic, I don't believe in devils. I believe some policies are more harmful than others. When I can vote, my main motivation is staving off harmful policies
 
GDViking said:
Bush jr was a notorious coke head and his dad was In charge of smuggling untold tons of cocaine into the us, and Reagan was the first president to admit to smoking.pot.

So the clean republican was Ford.
And now the conservatives are sinking so low they are supporting child molester.
It's all good as long as it someone elses daughter

Just unreal!!!
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How clean was Ford? He pardoned Nixon.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
We don't act as if they're squeaky-clean...but they are generally cleaner. Romney and Obama were both generally clean (as far as Washington goes), so between him and Obama, it really was a choice of whose policy. Clinton was certainly cleaner than either Bush or Dole - or do you not remember Iran-Contra? And when it came to McCain, do you not remember the Keating Five?

Yes, the Dems are generally cleaner - but we're far from perfect, as Conyers and Franken have both just proved. That being said, at least we Dems reject such people (just as we rejected Edwards for president after his mistress was exposed)...whereas y'all, well, y'all are defending an alleged child molester for the Senate and an admitted sexual abuser as president.

No sir, y'all got ZERO room to talk.
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Yes and the dems also rejected Anthony Weiner.
 
Conservatives with no problem with a 34 year old man coming to date a 17 year old junior in high school. I get it Freaky Alabama citizens. It is a step up from incest that went on years ago. But please take a deep breath and say I have to date someone around my own age....which means you will have to get educated and take a bath once in awhile. Again I will say if you can't see what is wrong with this behavior than you are mentally off.
 
TurtleDude said:
did Obama admit to doing drugs in his book?
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Yes, he did. So? You're putting forth a false equivalency. The two actions are nothing alike and it's dishonest to continue making that comparison.
 
TurtleDude said:
Let me ask you a question. I cannot vote for Moore and if the allegations against him are true he should be facing replacement if he wins. But if you are a Alabama voter and you favor Trump/GOP policies over that of the Democrats and you understand that if Jones wins the election, it might well impede or prevent GOP legislation from being enacted, what do you do?
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I'd probably put my penis on an oak stump and smash it as hard as I could with the biggest hammer I could find.

Yeah. If I was...

1. An Alabama voter
2. Favored Trump/GOP policies
3. Hated/feared democrats enough to support Trump and/or Moore

Then, most likely, I would also be stupid enough to smash my own **** with a sledge hammer too.

Good question TD! :lamo
 
Gina said:
Yes, he did. So? You're putting forth a false equivalency. The two actions are nothing alike and it's dishonest to continue making that comparison.
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that depends who you talk to. cocaine is a felony offense in most of the USA if not all. Is there any actual proof that Moore ever admitted engaging in felony statutory rape?

what is dishonest is people pretending stuff that allegedly happened 40 years ago disqualifies a conservative while ignoring the fact that say clinton used his power to seduce a subordinate in the Oval office for example. I just get tired of the hypocrisy of changing standards. So I will state I don't care. If I were voting in Alabama I'd vote for Moore purely for the fact it helps the GOP agenda get passed. and I didn't oppose Clinton because he was a horn dog who used his power to gain sexual favors from women, I opposed him because of his politics.
 
Captain America said:
I'd probably put my penis on an oak stump and smash it as hard as I could with the biggest hammer I could find.

Yeah. If I was...

1. An Alabama voter
2. Favored Trump/GOP policies
3. Hated/feared democrats enough to support Trump and/or Moore

Then, most likely, I would also be stupid enough to smash my own **** with a sledge hammer too.

Good question TD! :lamo
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well that would be an accurate use of the term SELF ABUSE!!
 
TurtleDude said:
did Obama admit to doing drugs in his book?
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You cited information from people at Columbia. Not his book. Which is why I used the term "speculation". Now if you would like to backtrack your statement we could discuss his book.

Would you like to discuss Trump and coke and Epstein and young girls also?
 
JMR said:
You cited information from people at Columbia. Not his book. Which is why I used the term "speculation". Now if you would like to backtrack your statement we could discuss his book.

Would you like to discuss Trump and coke and Epstein and young girls also?
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you have me confused for someone who bases my votes on tabloid nonsense. I will vote for a convicted felon who I believe will vote for policies I favor over the second coming of Solomon or Mother Theresa who promise to pass stuff I find distasteful,
 
TurtleDude said:
I have plenty of room to talk. Claiming Democrats are generally cleaner is partisan hackery. There is no evidence Moore broke LAWS

also its funny watching those who whine about the fat cat rich voting for so many democrats who have become RICH through public office.
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Turtle dude your touching on something that should unite both right and left,(Money in Politics).
But to your first point that there is no evidence that Moore broke any laws. I guess you have a valid point of a sort. Everything he is accused of, happened decades ago according to his accusers. The evidence trail is almost extinguished through the passage of time. But his denial regarding having never known any of them is demonstrably false. This is evidenced by Debbie Wesson Gibson's testimony and documents for one thing. This leaves you(Turtle dude) with a situation. Why would Roy Moore lie? He had her mother's permission to date her daughter. Why lie about that? The reason is obvious. He knows that an admission would show he had a propensity to date teenage girls while being twice their age. Couple this glaring point with his colleague's statement ,saying that it was well known in the D.A.'s office that Moore dated teenage girls and hung out at high school football games and malls. Well this should lead an honest juror to vote to convict. (Convict) is not intended literally. So you see the evidence is in the documents possess by miss Gibson and the testimony of so many including his own colleagues, plus his own denials about something he had permission to do, there's the evidence. Can he be convicted by this evidence? I guess that's what you see as lack of evidence. He can't be convicted because of the statute of limitations. That's really not the same thing as no evidence.
 
TurtleDude said:
that depends who you talk to. cocaine is a felony offense in most of the USA if not all. Is there any actual proof that Moore ever admitted engaging in felony statutory rape?

what is dishonest is people pretending stuff that allegedly happened 40 years ago disqualifies a conservative while ignoring the fact that say clinton used his power to seduce a subordinate in the Oval office for example. I just get tired of the hypocrisy of changing standards. So I will state I don't care. If I were voting in Alabama I'd vote for Moore purely for the fact it helps the GOP agenda get passed. and I didn't oppose Clinton because he was a horn dog who used his power to gain sexual favors from women, I opposed him because of his politics.
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Obviously, it does.

But a young person using illegal drugs is not comparable to nine allegations of sexual abuse. He said he didn't date teenagers at the time. The woman named in this story is not even accusing him of abuse because she took it as a badge of honor an older man wanted to date her. She only came out to tell her story and has a signed card as well, when he called the women liars, saying he didn't date teenagers. Well she's there to correct that record, thus making the other stories more credible.

I didn't vote for Clinton. You won't get any defense from me for those actions. But I will say, abusing power to engage in sexual activity with his subordinates, is not as low as a man in his 30s dating teenage girls, and worse. Which again, Republicans who will vote for him say are credible.

Having spoken to women who were sexually abused as teens, their stories are similar to the women accusing Moore. They didn't talk then because who would believe them. That is a universal truth and there are multiple posts in threads on this board confirming that. Perhaps if you had ever spoken to one, you would recognize that as well.
 
TurtleDude said:
you have me confused for someone who bases my votes on tabloid nonsense. I will vote for a convicted felon who I believe will vote for policies I favor over the second coming of Solomon or Mother Theresa who promise to pass stuff I find distasteful,
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So you respond, yet have no comment on the the first statement. To repeat, you speculated that Obama had extensive drug use, based on what you heard or read from fellow students. Not exactly the hard proof you demand for your party's candidates.

I didn't realize I couldn't put two ideas out there for you to comment on at once. You just pick the one you have the snappiest response for. I'll be more careful in the future.

I think you reject some tabloid nonsense. Donald lived and died by the tabloids during his "career" in NY, so its likely they have the real goods. There are other reports also. You imagine he was Saint Donald all those years he was calling into radio stations under pseudonyms to report on his sexual proclivities????

But you are to be commended for admitting you have no interest in the decency of our Congress, as long as it passes the laws, (I assume either estate or gun related) that you need to keep breathing. So there is no questioning your integrity or lack thereof.
 
kamikaze483 said:
Unfortunately, none of it matters. There are very few things in this world that are worse than a pervert. Unfortunately, liberals are worse. I would gladly accept a pervert candidate over a liberal one.
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Well gosh, nothing like making your first post in nearly 12 months to share such a heinous view. How repulsive.
 
JMR said:
So you respond, yet have no comment on the the first statement. To repeat, you speculated that Obama had extensive drug use, based on what you heard or read from fellow students. Not exactly the hard proof you demand for your party's candidates.

I didn't realize I couldn't put two ideas out there for you to comment on at once. You just pick the one you have the snappiest response for. I'll be more careful in the future.

I think you reject some tabloid nonsense. Donald lived and died by the tabloids during his "career" in NY, so its likely they have the real goods. There are other reports also. You imagine he was Saint Donald all those years he was calling into radio stations under pseudonyms to report on his sexual proclivities????

But you are to be commended for admitting you have no interest in the decency of our Congress, as long as it passes the laws, (I assume either estate or gun related) that you need to keep breathing. So there is no questioning your integrity or lack thereof.
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I really have no belief that if you had a choice between a saint who was pro gun, pro life, anti-death tax and anti gay vs a convicted rapist who was pro choice, anti gun and pro gay that you would vote for the saint. SO I will note again, I would vote in the way that is MOST LIKELY to lead to the implementation of policies that I would find the most beneficial, or least onerous, to me
 
TurtleDude said:
I really have no belief that if you had a choice between a saint who was pro gun, pro life, anti-death tax and anti gay vs a convicted rapist who was pro choice, anti gun and pro gay that you would vote for the saint. SO I will note again, I would vote in the way that is MOST LIKELY to lead to the implementation of policies that I would find the most beneficial, or least onerous, to me
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You have no reason to have such beliefs. Please do not try to condone your own lack of integrity with speculations about mine.

I think I was quite clear earlier that I believe in a democratic, representative process, where laws are drawn and discussed and passed in a collaborative manner, no one gets all they want, no one loses all they want. No need to vote for rapists etc. No need to get on the us vs. them train. But whatever floats your boat, as they say. We will see where Alabama falls or rises tomorrow night. It should be interesting.
 
JMR said:
You have no reason to have such beliefs. Please do not try to condone your own lack of integrity with speculations about mine.

I think I was quite clear earlier that I believe in a democratic, representative process, where laws are drawn and discussed and passed in a collaborative manner, no one gets all they want, no one loses all they want. No need to vote for rapists etc. No need to get on the us vs. them train. But whatever floats your boat, as they say. We will see where Alabama falls or rises tomorrow night. It should be interesting.
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You are completely wrong about integrity. I always vote for what I consider will help me and my family the best. I don't pretend to have holier than thou attitudes

so you are telling me if the candidate that has all sorts of flaws supports your views you won't vote for that candidate, instead you will vote for the candidate that stands against every agenda item you support? I find that beyond credible
 
TurtleDude said:
You are completely wrong about integrity. I always vote for what I consider will help me and my family the best. I don't pretend to have holier than thou attitudes

so you are telling me if the candidate that has all sorts of flaws supports your views you won't vote for that candidate, instead you will vote for the candidate that stands against every agenda item you support? I find that beyond credible
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I think that says it all. Your self interests rise above the need to judge the ethical standards of candidates. Oh my! And because you feel this way, by extension so does everyone else?

TurtleDude, once again you are very wrong. It is not "holier than thou" to decide to have some standards when entering the voting booth. I would wonder why a candidate who has been accused of abusing children, who has been driven from office for defying the courts, who has stated that we'd be better off if there were only 10 amendment to the constitution, who has insulted members of every race and religion other than his own, who doesn't use dog whistles but straight out statements to suggest his racism is seen by you as having "flaws" rather than being outright unacceptable.
But in the event...rather farfetched...that I was faced with the scenario you describe I would choose to vote for neither. Like Senator Shelby, I would write in my choice.

The fact that you do not see that as a credible alternative is quite defining.
 
JMR said:
I think that says it all. Your self interests rise above the need to judge the ethical standards of candidates. Oh my! And because you feel this way, by extension so does everyone else?

TurtleDude, once again you are very wrong. It is not "holier than thou" to decide to have some standards when entering the voting booth. I would wonder why a candidate who has been accused of abusing children, who has been driven from office for defying the courts, who has stated that we'd be better off if there were only 10 amendment to the constitution, who has insulted members of every race and religion other than his own, who doesn't use dog whistles but straight out statements to suggest his racism is seen by you as having "flaws" rather than being outright unacceptable.
But in the event...rather farfetched...that I was faced with the scenario you describe I would choose to vote for neither. Like Senator Shelby, I would write in my choice.

The fact that you do not see that as a credible alternative is quite defining.
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I have a duty to do what is best for my family and by extension, this country. And you can stow the arrogant nonsense that abdicating a vote is somehow fulfilling your duty.

and I don't for a minute believe you. As to Shelby, he's a politician.
 
Rich123 said:
Debbie Wesson Gibson, first met Roy Moore when he came to speak at her high school civics class in 1981. After the class Moore then a 34 year old assistant district attorney asked the then a 17 year old student out on a series of dates. Gibson said she sought her mother's approval to see Moore romantically and got her enthusiastic blessings. The relationship which Gibson says lead to kissing, but no further sexual contact , petered out after two or three months and Gibson went away to college. She and Moore . Gibson says , were on good terms and kept in touch over the years , even exchanging Christmas cards. "Looking back, I'm glad nothing bad happened," Gibson told the Post last month. "As a mother of daughters, I realize that our age difference at the time made our dating inappropriate."

Despite having a different outlook on the situation as an adult, Gibson, a registered republican, didn't appear to harbor any resentment towards Moore for their relationship decades ago. She recalled to the Post that he played his guitar and read poetry he had written. Hearing Moore's pursuit of other younger women irked Gibson, and when she shared her story of what was an open, public relationship at the time, Moore's blanket disavowal of their romance angered her. "He called me a liar." Gibson said. "
Roy Moore made an egregious mistake to attack that one thing-my integrity."

Gibson provided the graduation card which she says was given to her by Roy Moore and signed simply Roy along with notes in her scrapbook. One inscription in her scrapbook pertained to planning a guess list for her graduation and above her parents names was Roy Moore's name. The signature Roy on her card looks just like the signature Roy on Beverly Young Nelson's signature year to me.

I apologize for not providing downloads that would provide reference sites for you to view. The truth is, I simply don't know how to accomplish that since all the pages that I attempt to save are saved in HTML on my computer. HTML is an extension not accepted by DP. But everything I have elaborated on above is word for word from the online post article. I am offering this information and other post I have made so that the voters in Alabama can have all the facts and testimony pertinent in this matter, as their decision is not one they should enter into without fully knowing this story. The person they choose will represent their state to the United States of America. That's serious, and deserves due diligence.
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Could anyone on this board imagine a 34 year old woman District Attorney dating a 16 year old and getting a blessing from this boy's parents to do that--:lol: Could you imagine what the office Christmas party would like like when she took her 16 year old boyfriend to it?

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Alabami has got some pretty sttttttrange people down there.

 
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