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One More Thing to Hate About the Republican Tax Bill

Are you kidding? This will help both sides of the aisle. If it stays in, it’s frightening.

Yeah, that's the thing. No point in pretending that the Republicans are afloat on inherited wealth and the Democrats are nose-to-the-grindstone from paycheque to paycheque.Those congresscritters are all from the same social strata.
 
That’s disgusting. It’s serving the whole of Congress... just the way they want it.

No. NOT the "whole of Congress". Just the side that shoved through the legislation without allowing the other side any input whatsoever into the bill, without allowing any debate at all. Remember, it was the Democrats who adamantly opposed allowing corporations to dump as much money as they wanted into campaign donations (Citizens United). And it was the liberals on SCOTUS who voted against it, and it was the conservatives on the court who voted for it. And it was the GOP who celebrated the win...

...and the slashing of corporate taxes we have just seen is the direct result.

So please don't try to blame all of Congress - that's a false equivalence. Blame the side that's been supporting this for many years. Do NOT blame the side that tried to stop it from happening.

Are you kidding? This will help both sides of the aisle. If it stays in, it’s frightening.

Did you miss the part where he noted that the Democrats opposed it? Saying it'll benefit them anyway isn't a justification for your statement if they opposed it.

It simply reveals massive bias if you slam the Ds for something the Rs did, which thing the Ds completely oppose.

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What are the Ds supposed to do to avoid your judgment? Resign on mass so that they don't "benefit" and thereby hand complete control to the Rs?

Such an absurd position you're taking....
 
Did you miss the part where he noted that the Democrats opposed it? Saying it'll benefit them anyway isn't a justification for your statement if they opposed it.

It simply reveals massive bias if you slam the Ds for something the Rs did, which thing the Ds completely oppose.

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What are the Ds supposed to do to avoid your judgment? Resign on mass so that they don't "benefit" and thereby hand complete control to the Rs?

Such an absurd position you're taking....

What cache did they lose by saying they were opposed? Answer....none. If you can’t see that it benefits both parties, there’s something wrong with your thought process.
 
It benefits very single one of them.

So you're claiming that all the Dems actually supported it even though they ALL voted against it? And all the liberal pundits who were against it were all lying, that they were all actually for it? In every case, Dems in Congress backed up their words with deeds - their votes - when it came to campaign finance regulations.

Or could the problem be that instead of the problem being with all of them...that the problem's just with you, since you want so desperately to believe that all politicians are just as bad as all the others? It apparently hasn't occurred to you that some people are worse than others. The old saying goes that the fish rots from the head - and when you've got a guy in charge who doesn't give a damn about patriotism, who lies through his teeth at a pace never matched by any other major politician in American history, who takes the word of the Kremlin over that of the CIA, NSA, and FBI, who even openly supports an alleged child molester for Congress no matter how many have accused the candidate...

...the guy at the head of the GOP is rotten to the core. The fish rots from the head.

Objectively speaking, there is not a single major politician in American history (with the probable exception of Aaron Burr) who is more unfit for major political office, much less president...yet nearly 3/4 of Republicans still support him.

YES, one side CAN be worse than the other. This is one such time. Sometimes the Dems are worse (e.g. during Reconstruction through WWI)...and sometimes the GOP is worse. At this point in time, the GOP is much worse.
 
When the democrat party is no longer accepting money from billionaires like George Soros, then you can talk.

Campaign Finance is just a small fish in the Republican billionaire control effort. Their funding of groups like Donor's Trust, Judicial Watch, Heartland Institute, Heritage Foundation, FOX, and many others is the reason they want this bill. These are the organizations that are disseminating the billionaire misinformation campaigns that payoff in huge dividends, by reining in the ignorant masses.
 
It's Congress. It's not "liberal Congress" and "conservative Congress". Its Congress. The Dems may not have openly supported it but they can't feign helplessness. The filibuster is a thing. The Dems scream and holler but don't invoke it.

But you can only delay a bill from going before a vote for so long. At some point, even the best of us folds despite our best effort.
 
But you can only delay a bill from going before a vote for so long. At some point, even the best of us folds despite our best effort.

Absolutely! Only 23% of Americans want this Billionaire-favoring tax plan. And that's why Americans have to step up to the plate. Write your Congressman and Senators, and tell them that if they vote for this, they will lose your vote.
 
Not only are they giving the Multi-Millionaires and Billionaires huge tax cuts, but they're letting them easily invest money towards politics, and take deductions while doing it. Only 23% of Americans support the Tax Bill, but they're shoving it down the throats of Americans. Vote these idiots OUT in 2018 and 2020!!!

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/08/5692...nel-political-cash-and-make-it-tax-deductible

A small provision in the House version of the bill would let big donors secretly give unlimited amounts to independent political groups — and write off the contributions as charitable gifts.

"You not only get to help that candidate with a big contribution, it's not going to be publicized and you're going to be able to take a tax deduction on top of it," said Michael Franz, a political scientist, who analyzes political advertising with the Wesleyan Media Project.

This tax bill will increase my take home.

I'm pretty sure that whatever else happens, the national debt will increase by a whole bunch. We have put our legislators in charge of our tax revenues. We might as well put junkies in charge of the treasury.

If Trump doubles the debt in 8 years, he will be right on schedule to match his recent predecessors.

If he's going to get over that bar, he needs to start immediately and work fast.
 
This tax bill will increase my take home.

I'm pretty sure that whatever else happens, the national debt will increase by a whole bunch. We have put our legislators in charge of our tax revenues. We might as well put junkies in charge of the treasury.

If Trump doubles the debt in 8 years, he will be right on schedule to match his recent predecessors.

If he's going to get over that bar, he needs to start immediately and work fast.

That's the Republican tactic. Reagan started the big deficit building. G.Bush wasn't too bad, but he didn't reduce it. Clinton/Gore got rid of the deficit, only to have GW/Cheney raise it again, this time to astronomical levels. The horrible handoff of GW/Cheney to Obama, with 2 wars, a banking/housing crisis, and a bankrupt American auto industry; kept the deficit on a collision course. After the first two years, Obama started making a little head-way. Not enough though. Now the Republicans are back to building up the deficit again, just to satisfy the billionaires who got them elected. Now, when a Democrat gets back in, the Republican-billionaire-controlled media at FOX will immediately start scrutinizing every fiscal policy. But the deficit-building tax cuts are just fine with FOX, aren't they?
 
Not only are they giving the Multi-Millionaires and Billionaires huge tax cuts, but they're letting them easily invest money towards politics, and take deductions while doing it. Only 23% of Americans support the Tax Bill, but they're shoving it down the throats of Americans. Vote these idiots OUT in 2018 and 2020!!!

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/08/5692...nel-political-cash-and-make-it-tax-deductible

A small provision in the House version of the bill would let big donors secretly give unlimited amounts to independent political groups — and write off the contributions as charitable gifts.

"You not only get to help that candidate with a big contribution, it's not going to be publicized and you're going to be able to take a tax deduction on top of it," said Michael Franz, a political scientist, who analyzes political advertising with the Wesleyan Media Project.

It is not passed yet, and given who we are dealing with.....You Know......
 
First of all, if you want to end big money political donations, GET RID OF THE BIASED, ACTIVIST MEDIA WE HAVE NOW!! Somehow, I find it hard to believe that progressives would be demanding an end to political donations, if 95% of the news media were like Fox News! Then, republicans would get most of the good press. But it's not like that, it's vice versa. Until the media isn't completely biased in 1 direction, the other party is at a MAJOR disadvantage.

What I find most laughable here, is that, for the last 3 presidential election cycles, the DEMOCRATS have raised FAR more money through donations by ultra-wealthy donors and BUNDLERS, including Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Obama and countless other democrats, who received HUGE amounts of money from lowlife donors/bundlers like Harvey Weinstein! In exchange for that, the democrats and the ENTIRE mainstream media PROTECTED Harvey Weinstein from accountability and prosecution for decades of sexual predation of women! They ALL knew it was happening, yet their allies in the MSM refused to report it, and democrat DA's refused to prosecute him!! That's not to mention the Frank Rich bribery/pardon and etc etc.

Lets ALSO remind progressives that Obama WAS reducing donations from PAC's, well, at least on 1 side! Remember how he had the govt fast-track the applications of leftist PACs' applications, requiring only an average of 21 days for approval, while causing conservative PAC's to wait as much as 2 years, or refuse them altogether!

First of all, I listen to NPR, so I know they are a heavily biased and untrustworthy source. I am yet to hear them honestly talk about the tax plan, other than the old "tax cut for the rich" lie, when in reality it cuts taxes for EVERYONE!!!
 
That's the Republican tactic. Reagan started the big deficit building. G.Bush wasn't too bad, but he didn't reduce it. Clinton/Gore got rid of the deficit, only to have GW/Cheney raise it again, this time to astronomical levels. The horrible handoff of GW/Cheney to Obama, with 2 wars, a banking/housing crisis, and a bankrupt American auto industry; kept the deficit on a collision course. After the first two years, Obama started making a little head-way. Not enough though. Now the Republicans are back to building up the deficit again, just to satisfy the billionaires who got them elected. Now, when a Democrat gets back in, the Republican-billionaire-controlled media at FOX will immediately start scrutinizing every fiscal policy. But the deficit-building tax cuts are just fine with FOX, aren't they?

Obama made deficit headway huh? His annual deficits broke previous annual deficits every year until the very end! He was running deficits at more than double the highest previous rate. He had 8 years in office! I am so tired of this BS notion that 8 years isn't enough to turn around a recession. He doubled the national debt as well, and BTW, the Iraq war was over, and had become a much less expensive security operation by the time he took office, so trying to add the cost of the Iraq war into Obama's debt is disingenuous. It was HIS spending programs that primarily led to the debt. If the media weren't so dishonest and biased, and told the truth, Obama would be placed in the bottom 5 worst presidents ever.

Giving "good sounding" speeches and looking the part, doesn't mean you are a good president. There is more to the job than superficiality and slick semantics.
 
It's Congress. It's not "liberal Congress" and "conservative Congress". Its Congress. The Dems may not have openly supported it but they can't feign helplessness. The filibuster is a thing. The Dems scream and holler but don't invoke it.

LOl are you so clueless that you really don't know that Mcconnell is avoiding the filibuster by using a loophole called "reconciliation". So no the Democrats cannot filibuster and only 50 votes are needed to pass.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/28/heres-why-the-gop-tax-reform-might-only-be-temporary.html
 
Not only are they giving the Multi-Millionaires and Billionaires huge tax cuts, but they're letting them easily invest money towards politics, and take deductions while doing it. Only 23% of Americans support the Tax Bill, but they're shoving it down the throats of Americans. Vote these idiots OUT in 2018 and 2020!!!

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/08/5692...nel-political-cash-and-make-it-tax-deductible

A small provision in the House version of the bill would let big donors secretly give unlimited amounts to independent political groups — and write off the contributions as charitable gifts.

"You not only get to help that candidate with a big contribution, it's not going to be publicized and you're going to be able to take a tax deduction on top of it," said Michael Franz, a political scientist, who analyzes political advertising with the Wesleyan Media Project.

Exactly what was said about Obamacare. But that worked out didn't it? Isn't Obamacare terrific?
 
Absolutely! Only 23% of Americans want this Billionaire-favoring tax plan. And that's why Americans have to step up to the plate. Write your Congressman and Senators, and tell them that if they vote for this, they will lose your vote.

That's totally untrue. If we had a very similar plan that did not add to the deficit (one where you made the very same comments), most Americans would favor the bill. The left unfairly and dishonestly claim that Americans are against the bill when the only thing many are against is adding to the debt. You don't care about the debt and I have proof. Your post only talked of your jealousy that the rich get bigger tax cuts than you do.
 
That's totally untrue. If we had a very similar plan that did not add to the deficit (one where you made the very same comments), most Americans would favor the bill. The left unfairly and dishonestly claim that Americans are against the bill when the only thing many are against is adding to the debt. You don't care about the debt and I have proof. Your post only talked of your jealousy that the rich get bigger tax cuts than you do.

Yes, the rich get bigger tax cuts than everybody, and yes - this will increase the deficit. They are playing you like a fiddle.
 
Obama made deficit headway huh? His annual deficits broke previous annual deficits every year until the very end! He was running deficits at more than double the highest previous rate. He had 8 years in office! I am so tired of this BS notion that 8 years isn't enough to turn around a recession. He doubled the national debt as well, and BTW, the Iraq war was over, and had become a much less expensive security operation by the time he took office, so trying to add the cost of the Iraq war into Obama's debt is disingenuous. It was HIS spending programs that primarily led to the debt. If the media weren't so dishonest and biased, and told the truth, Obama would be placed in the bottom 5 worst presidents ever.

Giving "good sounding" speeches and looking the part, doesn't mean you are a good president. There is more to the job than superficiality and slick semantics.

You should actually study the true history. I've attached a graph. The history is exactly what I said earlier. Reagan started the deficit spending in the '80s. G.Bush not too bad, but didn't reduce it enough. Clinton/Gore - tremendous effort, and brought the deficit below ZERO (1999-2000). Now look at 2006-2008. GW and Cheaney started the horrendous deficit spending - worse than ever, and had the pathetic handoff to Obama (cited earlier). Notice once Obama got into office, the deficit started dropping substantially, to about 2011. I think Obama could have done better after that. The Afghan war continues to be a deficit pig.

us_deficit_history.png
 
Yes, the rich get bigger tax cuts than everybody, and yes - this will increase the deficit. They are playing you like a fiddle.

I know the rich get bigger tax cuts than everyone else and I know that it adds to the deficit. So, no fiddle. And, none of the jealousy that consumes you to no end.
 
I know the rich get bigger tax cuts than everyone else and I know that it adds to the deficit. So, no fiddle. And, none of the jealousy that consumes you to no end.

I get it. So your good with more widening of Income Gaps in the US.

I have a secure retirement. Why would I be jealous? I'd like to hope that more Americans can accomplish the same, but it will be much more difficult with the widening income gap.
 
I get it. So your good with more widening of Income Gaps in the US.

I have a secure retirement. Why would I be jealous? I'd like to hope that more Americans can accomplish the same, but it will be much more difficult with the widening income gap.

I am fine with widening income gaps. What's wrong with everyone getting richer? The standard of living of the poor has risen exponentially for a very long time. The poor do not get poorer.
 
No. NOT the "whole of Congress". Just the side that shoved through the legislation without allowing the other side any input whatsoever into the bill, without allowing any debate at all. Remember, it was the Democrats who adamantly opposed allowing corporations to dump as much money as they wanted into campaign donations (Citizens United). And it was the liberals on SCOTUS who voted against it, and it was the conservatives on the court who voted for it. And it was the GOP who celebrated the win...

...and the slashing of corporate taxes we have just seen is the direct result.

So please don't try to blame all of Congress - that's a false equivalence. Blame the side that's been supporting this for many years. Do NOT blame the side that tried to stop it from happening.

Deja Vous 2010 ? Politicians never learn from history. Cheer up Dems, the tax package is more than likely going to give you back the Congress next year.
 
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