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Why Dems Don't Have Credibility Regarding "The High Road"

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Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.)
Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it. Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was racially motivated. The GOP belatedly put up a write-in candidate for November, but Reynolds dispatched him in the overwhelmingly Democratic district with little effort. Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October 1.

Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
In October 1992, Republican Senate nominee Rick Reed began running a campaign commercial that included a surreptitiously taped interview with Lenore Kwock, Inouye's hairdresser. Kwock said Inouye had sexually forced himself on her in 1975 and continued a pattern of sexual harassment, even as Kwock continued to cut his hair over the years. Inouye, seeking a sixth term, denied the charges. And Kwock said that by running the commercial, Reed had caused her more pain than Inouye had. Reed was forced to pull the ad, and while many voters took out their anger on the Republican, Inouye was held to 57 percent of the vote – the lowest total of his career. A week later, a female Democratic state legislator announced that she had heard from nine other women who claimed Inouye had sexually harassed them over the past decade. But the women didn't go public with their claims, the local press didn't pursue the story, and the Senate Ethics Committee decided to drop the investigation because the accusers wouldn't participate in an inquiry.

Rep. Fred Richmond (D-N.Y.)
In April 1978, Richmond was arrested in Washington for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. Richmond apologized for his actions, conceding he "made bad judgments involving my private life." In spite of a Democratic primary opponent's attempts to cash in on the headlines, Richmond easily won renomination and reelection.

Reps. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Gerry Studds (D-Mass.)
The House ethics committee on July 14, 1983, announced that Crane and Studds had sexual relationships with teenage congressional pages – Crane with a 17-year-old female in 1980, Studds with a 17-year-old male in 1973. Both admitted the charges that same day, and Studds acknowledged he was gay. The committee voted to reprimand the two, but a back-bench Georgia Republican named Newt Gingrich argued that they should be expelled. The full House voted on July 20 instead to censure the two, the first time that ever happened for sexual misconduct. Crane, married and the father of six, was tearful in his apology to the House, while Studds refused to apologize. Crane's conservative district voted him out in 1984, while the voters in Studds's more liberal district were more forgiving. Studds won reelection in 1984 with 56 percent of the vote, and continued to win until he retired in 1996.

Rep. Gus Savage (D-Ill.)
The Washington Post reported on July 19, 1989, that Savage had fondled a Peace Corps volunteer while on an official visit to Zaire. Savage called the story a lie and blamed it on his political enemies and a racist media. (Savage is black.) In January 1990, the House ethics committee decided that the events did occur, but decided against any disciplinary action because Savage wrote a letter to the woman saying he "never intended to offend" her. Savage was reelected in 1990

Sen. Charles Robb (D-Va.)
On April 25, 1991, with NBC News about to go on the air with allegations he had an extramarital affair with Tai Collins, a former Miss Virginia, Robb made a preemptive strike. The Virginia Democrat, married to Lyndon Johnson's daughter, said he was with Collins in a hotel room, but all that took place was a massage over a bottle of wine. Collins, in a subsequent interview with Playboy, said they had been having an affair since 1983. It was thought that these charges, along with long-circulated but unproven allegations that Robb had attended Virginia Beach parties where cocaine was present, would jeopardize Robb's 1994 bid for re-election. Robb squeaked by with 46 percent.

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
No public figure was so celebrated for expressing moral indignation than Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy, whose private life was cluttered with casual liaisons, roaring binges and, tragically, involvement in the July 1969 death of Mary Jo Kopechne. Kennedy received token legal punishment but few calls from fellow Democrats to step down. Why Democrats continued to revere him can be explained simply by the fact that he was a Kennedy.


And this is just a short list of politicians. It doesn't include influential aides or backers like Long-time DNC activist and celebrated hero Harvey Weinstein or the big-daddy of them all: Bill Clinton. :peace
 
Nobody who's a career politician, regardless of party affiliation, has the "high road" in their back pocket.

Please don't try to infer that republicans have the high road by ONLY calling out the seedy dems.
 
Nobody who's a career politician, regardless of party affiliation, has the "high road" in their back pocket.

Please don't try to infer that republicans have the high road by ONLY calling out the seedy dems.

Oh, not at all. I've often lambasted the GOP as well for their blatant hypocrisy.
 
Nobody who's a career politician, regardless of party affiliation, has the "high road" in their back pocket.

Please don't try to infer that republicans have the high road by ONLY calling out the seedy dems.

While I would rather see the republicans in control then the democrats(republicans are just the lesser of two evils), I have little to no use for establishment politicians in either party. Neither party has what I would call the high road, however one party is certainly worse then the other.
 
The resignations of Franken and Conyers - contrasted with the positions of Trump and Moore - do indeed give the Dems the high ground on this issue.
 
The resignations of Franken and Conyers - contrasted with the positions of Trump and Moore - do indeed give the Dems the high ground on this issue.

Baloney. The democrats were circling the wagons to protect those two until they became a hindrance. And there was no doubt of the guilt of Conyers or Franken. With Trump and Moore....nothing but accusations with no evidence whatsoever to back them up.
 
Baloney. The democrats were circling the wagons to protect those two until they became a hindrance. And there was no doubt of the guilt of Conyers or Franken. With Trump and Moore....nothing but accusations with no evidence whatsoever to back them up.

Lets talk about December 8, 2017. Conyers resigns and is gone. Franken has announced his resignation and will soon be gone. Trump stays despite the accusations of at least a dozen women and his own confession on tape. There is no doubt about his guilt in the minds of any rational person. Moore persists with the support of his party and Trump despite highly credible accusations that he is a filthy pedophile.

You lost the high ground and all your crying about yesterday does not change who has the high ground today.
 
Lets talk about December 8, 2017. Conyers resigns and is gone. Franken has announced his resignation and will soon be gone. Trump stays despite the accusations of at least a dozen women and his own confession on tape. There is no doubt about his guilt in the minds of any rational person. Moore persists with the support of his party and Trump despite highly credible accusations that he is a filthy pedophile.

You lost the high ground and all your crying about yesterday does not change who has the high ground today.

Here's why Trump/Moore can rightfully stay...

No Proof. No acknowledgement of wrong doing. A person is not guilty because of an allegation. It's really that simple. The allegations are over 30 years old. That's literally a generation. Memories are compromised after that much time. Compare that too...

Franken has photo evidence.

Conyers making settlement payments while acknowledging wrong-doing.

If you can't tell the difference then its because you're too hyper-partisan.
 
Here's why Trump/Moore can rightfully stay...

No Proof. No acknowledgement of wrong doing. A person is not guilty because of an allegation. It's really that simple. The allegations are over 30 years old. That's literally a generation. Memories are compromised after that much time. Compare that too...

Franken has photo evidence.

Conyers making settlement payments while acknowledging wrong-doing.

If you can't tell the difference then its because you're too hyper-partisan.

Trump confessed. That is all the proof one needs.

The Moore allegations were supported by over 30 supporting sources and hard evidence of witnesses describing his behavior. That is all the proof one needs.
 
Trump confessed. That is all the proof one needs.

The Moore allegations were supported by over 30 supporting sources and hard evidence of witnesses describing his behavior. That is all the proof one needs.

Yep. Even though Trump is on tape admitting to assaulting women, his supporters still deny it. That's how far down the rabbit hole they've went.
 
Yep. Even though Trump is on tape admitting to assaulting women, his supporters still deny it. That's how far down the rabbit hole they've went.

Exactly. Their rabbit hole is coming out in author part of the world .... probably near Moscow. :mrgreen:

And in the case of Moore you have a female republican governor of the state who says she believes the women but still supports a child molester over a democrat. Unbelievable!!!!!
 
In what reality was Harvey Weinstein a hero? As for you list of stuff spanning back decades.....

Republicans knowingly support Moore and Trump and Dems are clearing out their bad actors. That's what matters. Someone like myself was not voting age or alive during your entire list.

Also, what's the deal with the "party of responsibility" not taking responsibility but instead flinging mud and trying to drag everyone down to their level?
 
lol...

The Right: DEMS HAVE LOST THE HIGH ROAD, FRANKEN MUST RESIGN!!!

Franken resigns

The Right: DEMS HAVE LOST THE HIGH ROAD, FRANKEN EXISTED!!!

The Left:

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lol...

The Right: DEMS HAVE LOST THE HIGH ROAD, FRANKEN MUST RESIGN!!!

Franken resigns

The Right: DEMS HAVE LOST THE HIGH ROAD, FRANKEN EXISTED!!!

The Left:

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Repubs: "It's over, Dems! I have the high ground!"

Dems: "You underestimate my powers!"

Repubs: "Don't try it!"
 
lol...

The Right: DEMS HAVE LOST THE HIGH ROAD, FRANKEN MUST RESIGN!!!

Franken resigns

The Right: DEMS HAVE LOST THE HIGH ROAD, FRANKEN EXISTED!!!

The Left:

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The only people demanding that Franken resign were Dems. And the Dems never had any HIGH ROAD in the first place as demonstrated by their long history of sexual deviancy in politics (which the Repubs also share). There is no aspect of your post that isn't strawman: literally nobody is making the points you made.
 
The resignations of Franken and Conyers - contrasted with the positions of Trump and Moore - do indeed give the Dems the high ground on this issue.

This is exactly the thought process the Left wants you to have, given how they are setting all of this up... Franken "resigning" is nothing more than a political ploy waiting to see whether Moore wins his election or not. If Moore wins, they will pounce on him for not resigning (even though, as far as I am aware, it's nothing more than politically-timed allegations which haven't been proven to be true, and Moore has been adamantly denying all allegations all along) and then Franken will "change his mind" and won't resign because "why should I resign if Moore won't"... And if Moore loses, they will just use the Franken thing to further attack Trump. If Franken was dead serious about resigning for what he did (and I say did because he's only denied SOME of the allegations, not ALL of the allegations), he would do so IMMEDIATELY, not "in the coming weeks"... that alone should tell you what's going on here, and that this is a premeditated political scheme by the Left.

The other weird thing about it is that zero republicans were demanding that Franken resign... only Dems... what's up with that? Dem's never "throw their own under the bus" unless there is a greater scheme involved...
 
The only people demanding that Franken resign were Dems. And the Dems never had any HIGH ROAD in the first place as demonstrated by their long history of sexual deviancy in politics (which the Repubs also share). There is no aspect of your post that isn't strawman: literally nobody is making the points you made.

lol...ok, it must have been a different DP I've been hanging out in the last month or so. :roll: :lol:
 
Nobody who's a career politician, regardless of party affiliation, has the "high road" in their back pocket.

Please don't try to infer that republicans have the high road by ONLY calling out the seedy dems.

Not what he was doing. He was actually making your point in reverse. He was essentially taking down the democrats on this sight who have ignored all the other incidents and events because they believe their side is about corruption and sexual misconduct. They aren’t. As you pointed...they are politicians.
 
This is exactly the thought process the Left wants you to have, given how they are setting all of this up... Franken "resigning" is nothing more than a political ploy waiting to see whether Moore wins his election or not. If Moore wins, they will pounce on him for not resigning (even though, as far as I am aware, it's nothing more than politically-timed allegations which haven't been proven to be true, and Moore has been adamantly denying all allegations all along) and then Franken will "change his mind" and won't resign because "why should I resign if Moore won't"... And if Moore loses, they will just use the Franken thing to further attack Trump. If Franken was dead serious about resigning for what he did (and I say did because he's only denied SOME of the allegations, not ALL of the allegations), he would do so IMMEDIATELY, not "in the coming weeks"... that alone should tell you what's going on here, and that this is a premeditated political scheme by the Left.

The other weird thing about it is that zero republicans were demanding that Franken resign... only Dems... what's up with that? Dem's never "throw their own under the bus" unless there is a greater scheme involved...

Franken will not renege on his resignation no matter what happens with Moore. There is more at stake here than just Moore and the Dems know that and I suspect the GOP does also.
 
Nobody who's a career politician, regardless of party affiliation, has the "high road" in their back pocket.

Please don't try to infer that republicans have the high road by ONLY calling out the seedy dems.
Similarly, please dont infer that suddenly..in December of 2017...democrats suddenly demonstrate they are vanguards of morality.
 
Until Republicans kick Trump and Moore to the curb, Democrats do, indeed, firmly have the moral high ground. If Moore wins, you will forever be the pedo party. Enjoy.
 
What’s missing in this back and forth is the fact that we are in the ‘flat earth’ zone! There is NO high ground anymore!
 
Similarly, please dont infer that suddenly..in December of 2017...democrats suddenly demonstrate they are vanguards of morality.

Was the first sentence not clear?

The "regardless of party affiliation" part specifically.
 
Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.)
Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it. Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was racially motivated. The GOP belatedly put up a write-in candidate for November, but Reynolds dispatched him in the overwhelmingly Democratic district with little effort. Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October 1.

Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
In October 1992, Republican Senate nominee Rick Reed began running a campaign commercial that included a surreptitiously taped interview with Lenore Kwock, Inouye's hairdresser. Kwock said Inouye had sexually forced himself on her in 1975 and continued a pattern of sexual harassment, even as Kwock continued to cut his hair over the years. Inouye, seeking a sixth term, denied the charges. And Kwock said that by running the commercial, Reed had caused her more pain than Inouye had. Reed was forced to pull the ad, and while many voters took out their anger on the Republican, Inouye was held to 57 percent of the vote – the lowest total of his career. A week later, a female Democratic state legislator announced that she had heard from nine other women who claimed Inouye had sexually harassed them over the past decade. But the women didn't go public with their claims, the local press didn't pursue the story, and the Senate Ethics Committee decided to drop the investigation because the accusers wouldn't participate in an inquiry.

Rep. Fred Richmond (D-N.Y.)
In April 1978, Richmond was arrested in Washington for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. Richmond apologized for his actions, conceding he "made bad judgments involving my private life." In spite of a Democratic primary opponent's attempts to cash in on the headlines, Richmond easily won renomination and reelection.

--- Snipped here on out, your 5000 words are not mine.

Reps. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Gerry Studds (D-Mass.)

The House ethics committee on July 14, 1983

Rep. Gus Savage (D-Ill.)
The Washington Post reported on July 19, 1989,

Sen. Charles Robb (D-Va.)
On April 25, 1991,

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
July 1969

Every one of these examples is over 20 years old. If you have to go back 20 years to find unrepentant or unpunished depravity, you probably just made the contra-argument: that the Dems are actually pretty good at cleaning house.

The New England Patriots had a lifetime losing record by 1998. If I used that as an argument to suggest the New England Patriot franchise was a loser, I would be laughed off the DP stage, as should you for this nonsense.

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You don't define the team today by the team of yester-year....

In the meantime, consider this list of largely unrepentant Cons.....

Moore, Trump, Barton, Franks, Hoover, Goodman, Foley, Vitter, Craig, Ensign, Shorty.... all relatively recent sex scandals. (You see, unlike you, I did not have to go back 20-40)

This, of course, does not include the corporate shameful behavior of 1) backing these people and even electing them NOR, the modus operandi of attempting to jam through bad legislation, with a short-cut process (essentially in the dark of the night), so ugly that its approval ratings on these bills under 30%.

.... seems pretty clear that the moral high ground has shifted left.
 
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Lets talk about December 8, 2017. Conyers resigns and is gone. Franken has announced his resignation and will soon be gone. Trump stays despite the accusations of at least a dozen women and his own confession on tape. There is no doubt about his guilt in the minds of any rational person. Moore persists with the support of his party and Trump despite highly credible accusations that he is a filthy pedophile.

You lost the high ground and all your crying about yesterday does not change who has the high ground today.

Had the democrats not first circled the wagons around Conyers and Franken, high ground would have at least been considered. As for the Trump accusations, they were nothing but accusations, some of which were clearly disproven and the others never proven. And Trump's locker room talk on that bus was not a confession. It was simply locker room babble. And he was not holding office. In Franken's case there was photographic evidence. and the alleged Moore behavior is claimed to be four decades ago. Franken and Conyers were recent, especially Conyers. The funny thing is that the left's hit job on Moore backfired on them. It led to Franken and Conyer's victims speaking out.
 
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