Why Dems Don't Have Credibility Regarding "The High Road"

haymarket said:

Trump confessed. That is all the proof one needs.

The Moore allegations were supported by over 30 supporting sources and hard evidence of witnesses describing his behavior. That is all the proof one needs.

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And the Washington Post setting up shop in Alabama hunting for alleged victims, probably paying large sums of money. And enough of the so-called witness testimoney has been disproven to doubt it all. What hard evidence are you talking about. He said...she said? If that's hard evidence, Bill Clinton should have done prison time for rape, indecent exposure, and sexual harrassment.

GhostlyJoe said:

Until Republicans kick Trump and Moore to the curb, Democrats do, indeed, firmly have the moral high ground. If Moore wins, you will forever be the pedo party. Enjoy.

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Using your logic, the democrats are forever the rape party. And it's up to the voters in Alabama whether or not Moore is elected to the Senate. It is not up to the GOP.

ObamacareFail said:

Using your logic, the democrats are forever the rape party. And it's up to the voters in Alabama whether or not Moore is elected to the Senate. It is not up to the GOP.

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The GOP has thrown its support behind him, as has the president. Sorry, but Moore is pure GOP.

ObamacareFail said:

Had the democrats not first circled the wagons around Conyers and Franken, high ground would have at least been considered. As for the Trump accusations, they were nothing but accusations, some of which were clearly disproven and the others never proven. And Trump's locker room talk on that bus was not a confession. It was simply locker room babble. And he was not holding office. In Franken's case there was photographic evidence. and the alleged Moore behavior is claimed to be four decades ago. Franken and Conyers were recent, especially Conyers. The funny thing is that the left's hit job on Moore backfired on them. It led to Franken and Conyer's victims speaking out.

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There are no democratic wagons around Conyers and Franken. They both have resigned or announced their intent to do so.

ObamacareFail said:

And the Washington Post setting up shop in Alabama hunting for alleged victims, probably paying large sums of money. And enough of the so-called witness testimoney has been disproven to doubt it all. What hard evidence are you talking about. He said...she said? If that's hard evidence, Bill Clinton should have done prison time for rape, indecent exposure, and sexual harrassment.

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Where is your verifiable evidence that any of the Moore accusers lied about his actions pursuing them when they were just teens and he was a grown man in this Thirties?

GhostlyJoe said:

The GOP has thrown its support behind him, as has the president. Sorry, but Moore is pure GOP.

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So are you in agreement that the democrat party is the rape party? I am just using your logic. And once again....support or no support form the GOP...it's up to the voters in Alabama who they elect to the senate.

haymarket said:

There are no democratic wagons around Conyers and Franken. They both have resigned or announced their intent to do so.

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Unless you have memory issues, you are well aware that right after those two democrats were exposed, the democrats circled the wagons around them. And they did not resign at the beginning of their behavior getting exposed. Liberals on these forums even circled the wagons and defended them.

ObamacareFail said:

Unless you have memory issues, you are well aware that right after those two democrats were exposed, the democrats circled the wagons around them. And they did not resign at the beginning of their behavior getting exposed. Liberals on these forums even circled the wagons and defended them.

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Try dealing with the here and now instead of the past for once.

haymarket said:

Try dealing with the here and now instead of the past for once.

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Ok.......the reality of the here and now is that the democrats do not own the high road over sexual harrassment.

ObamacareFail said:

Ok.......the reality of the here and now is that the democrats do not own the high road over sexual harrassment.

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You biased partisan opinion is noted - and taken for what it is worth.

haymarket said:

You biased partisan opinion is noted - and taken for what it is worth.

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The facts back me up. members of the left on these forums defended Franken and Conyers...some went out of the way to suggest that Franken cupping his hands over one of the victims breasts while she slept was staged. Nancy Pelosi at firs defended Conyers and Franken. And virtually all of the left defended Bill Clinton all the way from the early 1990s through the 2016 election in regards to predatory sexual behavior. they only relented during the Moore saga when they thought it was finally politically beneficial to do so. And the democrats were going to coast franken through an ethics investigation.

ObamacareFail said:

The facts back me up. members of the left on these forums defended Franken and Conyers...some went out of the way to suggest that Franken cupping his hands over one of the victims breasts while she slept was staged. Nancy Pelosi at firs defended Conyers and Franken. And virtually all of the left defended Bill Clinton all the way from the early 1990s through the 2016 election in regards to predatory sexual behavior. they only relented during the Moore saga when they thought it was finally politically beneficial to do so. And the democrats were going to coast franken through an ethics investigation.

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You really do have a huge problem at dealing with the reality as it is today.

What a sad display of insecurity.

If anybody is interested, he got this from this source. Of course, the source, being about Congressional sex scandals since 1974, presents twenty-one case studies that involve both Democrats and Republicans. Here, in the OP, we see the cut away version about only Democrats, with Crane tossed in only because he was a part of the same Democrat case.

Again, here is the link to his cut/paste job...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/congress.htm

haymarket said:

You really do have a huge problem at dealing with the reality as it is today.

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I don't, however you clearly do. You are still whining over the reality of the Electoral College.

ObamacareFail said:

I don't, however you clearly do. You are still whining over the reality of the Electoral College.

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What I do is discuss the issue of the failings of the EC system. That is called debate.

If someone had the inclination, I'm quite sure they could come up with a whole book of pervert politicians in chronological order, and I am willing to bet that it is pretty evenly spread among the two parties.

upsideguy said:

Every one of these examples is over 20 years old. If you have to go back 20 years to find unrepentant or unpunished depravity, you probably just made the contra-argument: that the Dems are actually pretty good at cleaning house.

The New England Patriots had a lifetime losing record by 1998. If I used that as an argument to suggest the New England Patriot franchise was a loser, I would be laughed off the DP stage, as should you for this nonsense.

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You don't define the team today by the team of yester-year....

In the meantime, consider this list of largely unrepentant Cons.....

Moore, Trump, Barton, Franks, Hoover, Goodman, Foley, Vitter, Craig, Ensign, Shorty.... all relatively recent sex scandals. (You see, unlike you, I did not have to go back 20-40)

This, of course, does not include the corporate shameful behavior of 1) backing these people and even electing them NOR, the modus operandi of attempting to jam through bad legislation, with a short-cut process (essentially in the dark of the night), so ugly that its approval ratings on these bills under 30%.

.... seems pretty clear that the moral high ground has shifted left.

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Just today, a GOP State Representative, Dan Johnson, in Kentucky committed suicide after facing an accusation of fondling a teenage girl.

RetiredUSN said:

If someone had the inclination, I'm quite sure they could come up with a whole book of pervert politicians in chronological order, and I am willing to bet that it is pretty evenly spread among the two parties.

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I would agree. Depravity knows no political boundaries. That said, there are two distinctions between the parties. 1) the Republican party wants you to believe they are Christians with impeccable family values (the Dems do not make equivalent self-righteous claims and 2) in the recent history, the Dems have drummed their offenders out of office (they certainly don't let them go full speed ahead copping out with "let the voters decide").

So, I agree an equal number of perverts, but much less hypocrisy on the left side of the aisle. As a result, the Dems currently have a reasonable claim to the high road; the Cons do not.

ObamacareFail said:

Had the democrats not first circled the wagons around Conyers and Franken, high ground would have at least been considered. As for the Trump accusations, they were nothing but accusations, some of which were clearly disproven and the others never proven. And Trump's locker room talk on that bus was not a confession. It was simply locker room babble. And he was not holding office. In Franken's case there was photographic evidence. and the alleged Moore behavior is claimed to be four decades ago. Franken and Conyers were recent, especially Conyers. The funny thing is that the left's hit job on Moore backfired on them. It led to Franken and Conyer's victims speaking out.

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the net-net, each of them were dealt with effectively within a couple of weeks of the allegations. No one doubled down with the limp "let the voters decide".... No, the Dems manned up and party leadership decided.

Sorry pal, but the Dems currently* hold the high road on this issue.


* - subject to change should the Dems one day wimp like the Cons.

ObamacareFail said:

While I would rather see the republicans in control then the democrats(republicans are just the lesser of two evils), I have little to no use for establishment politicians in either party. Neither party has what I would call the high road, however one party is certainly worse then the other.

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The high road is more than about sex. The high ground is also about not lying, not bearing false witness, not cheating and not being a hypocrite. If you look at the Trump and Russian collusion scam, versus the Hillary scandal, which party has taken the high ground? The Republicans are hesitant to go after Hillary for her documented violations of laws and ethics. This is because the high ground POV will not bear false witness with a devilish scam. The high ground requires proof of guilt before opening the mouth with mass media, since a lie can do harm.

On the other hand, go back one year and look at all the allegations by the Democrats as a collective, that have not panned out, even with a rigged investigation stacked with leftist lawyer cronies. The Democrats have made high ground violations, day after day; lying, cheating and bearing false witness. The new found Democrat self righteousness and hypocrisy, of being holler than thou, is like a mafia hit man who helps a little old lady across the street, once, and thinks this cancels out all the rest of his low road actions.

One of the reasons Trump and Moore appear to get a freer ride, for the same alleged allegation, besides hard proof, is due to the Democrat propensities to lie on Page 1, while never apologizing. The moral high ground sees the fable of the boy who cried wolf. The high road will not side with anyone who has a long term propensity to bear false witness.

The liberal philosophy of relative morality does not give them the high ground, since they have no clue what that is. The high ground is based on the long standing traditions of religion, which they deplore and attempt to confuse and undermine. The left seems to think the high ground is the ends justifies the means and honesty and fairness is not important as power.