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THIS is what treason looks like

In the fire and fury of the treason issue this guy is definitely cool...


CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES: TRUMP TREASON POWER RANKINGS (Week #40)

By GREG OLEAR

THE UNABRIDGED STORY OF TRUMP/RUSSIA is long and complicated—like a Tolstoy epic, but written by the content creators at the National Enquirer. The dramatis personae alone runs to half a dozen pages.

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козырь [Trump Treason Power Rankings] is a weekly ranking of who in Trump’s circle of corrupt associates has committed the most treason in the past seven days.

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1. Paul Manafort
CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.

Trump’s campaign chairman at the time of Peak Treason, Manafort is in hock to the Russians by at least 3,780,018,000 rubles. That’s $66 million, which buys a lot of borscht.
Last week: #2

2. Rick Gates
CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.

3. George Papadopoulos
It’s nice that Georgios flipped and all, but before he flipped, he was an active agent for Moscow. In any other society from ancient times until now, these three would hang in the public square. Lucky for them that the USA is merciful.

Moving on.

4. Mike Pence
Manafort’s choice for VP, spoke with him every day during the transition, and worked closely with Gates, who remained with the campagn even after Manafort left. Ya think Pence is blameless?

5. Jared Kushner
Here’s my take on Boy Wonder’s Faustian bargain with Manafort. The best way to explain Trump/Russia, it seems to me, is to focus on one key player (Jared Kushner) and one key moment in time (March-July, 2016). That was when the Faustian bargain was made between the Trump campaign and Russia—when it was decided that Donald Trump would accept help from Vladimir Putin in order to win the White House. How Russia Infiltrated the Trump Campaign & Stole the Election (Abridged) | The Weeklings

6. Roger Stone
Banished from Twitter, but the point is moot. You can’t tweet from the hoosegow.

7. Donald Trump, Jr.
He’s a real dick on Twitter. I’m going to be happy when he’s in cuffs. And, I mean, he’s already been on the cover of Time for being a crook.

8. Sarah Huckabee Sanders
I saw that she was bombed out of her mind the other night at some DC bar. Which explains how she can sleep at night, I suppose. At least Manafort and the Trumps and Jared made money on their treason. What did Sarah get out of it? Ridicule, forever. Pathetic.

9. Ivanka Trump
Her birthday was yesterday. Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, you’ll die in the hoosegow, and Jared will, too!

10. Jeff Sessions
Racist Keebler Elf was fully submerged in the Treason Hot Tub, naked as a jaybird.

11. Devin Nunes
Prediction: his will be the longest prison sentence.

12. Donald Trump
Won’t be long now…

Conspiracy Against the United States: Trump Treason Power Rankings (40) | The Weeklings


A little lightness of hearts and minds never hurt eh.
 
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Tangmo said:
In the fire and fury of the treason <Snipped irrelevant nonsense>
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A reminder as to what TREASON really is.....

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

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What is 'conspiracy against the United States'?

Among the first charges laid in the FBI investigation into alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow, one grabbed the attention.

It couldn't sound more dramatic.

The first allegation against Paul Manafort and Rick Gates is "conspiracy against the United States".

But what does it mean?

The detail is spelled out in the US Code of Laws - Title 18, Chapter 19, Section 371.
What does the law say?

Firstly, you cannot be charged with conspiracy alone. The law is used against "two or more people" - in this case, Mr Manafort and Mr Gates.

Secondly, the law is broad. It can be used against a group who "commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose".

In a 1924 case, Hammerschmidt v. United States, Chief Justice William Taft (who was US President from from 1909 to 1913) defined "defraud".

"To conspire to defraud the United States means primarily to cheat the Government out of property or money," he said.

"But it also means to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful governmental functions by deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest."

What is 'conspiracy against the United States'? - BBC News

Is 'conspiracy against the United States' of and by itself TREASON?

No....

Anyone who has studied the law and treason would know that.
 
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The Russians are coming!! The Russians are coming !!! I've seen this movie before, and it's nothing to get your panties in a knot over. I hope he does talk to Putin. Maybe get on better terms with him. We might need his help against North Korea.
 
Waddy said:
The Russians are coming!! The Russians are coming !!! I've seen this movie before, and it's nothing to get your panties in a knot over. I hope he does talk to Putin. Maybe get on better terms with him. We might need his help against North Korea.
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The Russians are here and they met privately in the Oval Office with Russian media only present. And their Potus gave 'em classified information the Potus did not disclose to the American people or to USA national security agencies and organizations to include the Pentagon. The only way we found out about the secretive classified information espionage by Potus was because the Russian media full of hubris disclosed it.

Potus is of course exempted from the Espionage Act so that won't be the violation that gets him put out.
 
Tangmo said:
The Russians are here and they met privately in the Oval Office with Russian media only present. And their Potus gave 'em classified information the Potus did not disclose to the American people or to USA national security agencies and organizations to include the Pentagon. The only way we found out about the secretive classified information espionage by Potus was because the Russian media full of hubris disclosed it.

Potus is of course exempted from the Espionage Act so that won't be the violation that gets him put out.
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Exactly; he's exempt. Of course, maybe that's intel that should be shared with the Russians, and maybe we got back some intel we needed from them. Fact is, we have no details at all, and so no way to make an intelligent assessment. I do remember Obama telling Putin, when Obama thought the mic was off, that after the election he could do more for the Russians considering he wouldn't again face re-election. What he did was Uranium One. Probably not illegal either, just dumb.
 
Waddy said:
Exactly; he's exempt. Of course, maybe that's intel that should be shared with the Russians, and maybe we got back some intel we needed from them. Fact is, we have no details at all, and so no way to make an intelligent assessment. I do remember Obama telling Putin, when Obama thought the mic was off, that after the election he could do more for the Russians considering he wouldn't again face re-election. What he did was Uranium One. Probably not illegal either, just dumb.
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Americans were specifically excluded from the meeting in the Oval Office during which Trump gifted the Russian ambassador and the Russian foreign minister to classified intelligence. We learned of the fact only via the Russian media that participated in the meeting while American media were excluded from the proceedings and the news of the handover.

There is no information from any participant to include Trump that Russian intelligence was or may have been provided to the U.S. Your "maybe" the U.S. "got back some intel we needed from them" is unsupported and it is 100% speculation if not fantasy and if not an apologia of Trump. Your "we" is also a dubious presumption in this, that is, you'd need to clarify to me who your refer to when you say "we." For instance, Flynn lied to try to protect President Trump and he stands convicted of it in federal court with the sentence pending on condition of further cooperation with the special counsel.

Further, Trump's campaign manager Manafort and his business partner Short are charged in federal court with "Conspiracy Against the United States." Manafort was paid millions in Ukraine by Putin partners there to oppose every policy of the United States concerning Ukraine and Russia. Manafort and Short failed to report the payments which is a violation of law. Events have made clear now that we are leaving "collusion" behind and that we are talking "conspiracy." We also know that Flynn is talking and that it won't be long before we begin to hear Flynn singing.

Your reference to Obama is obfuscation whether you intend it or not. The record shows Obama on the occasion promised nothing to Russia and gave nothing to Russia. Obama singularly offered a hope of better relations with Russia after his expected reelection (which did occur). Uranium is a bogus and desperate reach by the right in the USA to seek a non-existent quid pro quo for Trump and his bizarre actions during the closed to Americans meeting in the Oval office.

The long and the short of it is that American conservatives are conserving Russia, not the United States and they know what they are doing. And that Trump & Co are their guyz. Youse guy Trump and his pal Putin are two peas in a pod. Putin for instance never played chess against anyone he couldn't put in jail. Or in the instances of Flynn and Manafort who ended up in jail anyway. The Putin Chess Club.
 
Tangmo said:
Americans were specifically excluded from the meeting in the Oval Office during which Trump gifted the Russian ambassador and the Russian foreign minister to classified intelligence. We learned of the fact only via the Russian media that participated in the meeting while American media were excluded from the proceedings and the news of the handover.

There is no information from any participant to include Trump that Russian intelligence was or may have been provided to the U.S. Your "maybe" the U.S. "got back some intel we needed from them" is unsupported and it is 100% speculation if not fantasy and if not an apologia of Trump. Your "we" is also a dubious presumption in this, that is, you'd need to clarify to me who your refer to when you say "we." For instance, Flynn lied to try to protect President Trump and he stands convicted of it in federal court with the sentence pending on condition of further cooperation with the special counsel.

Further, Trump's campaign manager Manafort and his business partner Short are charged in federal court with "Conspiracy Against the United States." MManafort was paid millions in Ukraine by Putin partners there to oppose every policy of the United States concerning Ukraine and Russia.anafort and Short failed to report the payments which is a violation of law. Events have made clear now that we are leaving "collusion" behind and that we are talking "conspiracy." We also know that Flynn is talking and that it won't be long before we begin to hear Flynn singing.

Your reference to Obama is obfuscation whether you intend it or not. The record shows Obama on the occasion promised nothing to Russia and gave nothing to Russia. Obama singularly offered a hope of better relations with Russia after his expected reelection (which did occur). Uranium is a bogus and desperate reach by the right in the USA to seek a non-existent quid pro quo for Trump and his bizarre actions during the closed to Americans meeting in the Oval office.

The long and the short of it is that American conservatives are conserving Russia, not the United States and they know what they are doing. And that Trump & Co are their guyz. Youse guy Trump and his pal Putin are two peas in a pod. Putin for instance never played chess against anyone he couldn't put in jail. Or in the instances of Flynn and Manafort who ended up in jail anyway. The Putin Chess Club.
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"Manafort was paid millions in Ukraine by Putin partners there to oppose every policy of the United States concerning Ukraine and Russia.anafort and Short failed to report the payments which is a violation of law."

What's the Manafort case got to do with Trump? Be specific now... and make the connection. Identify the crime.

Obama is behind the Uranium One deal along with Hillary. Collusion with the enemy!! He wanted Russia to control the world's supply of uranium. He's been selling it to them for years. I sure hope we get a special prosecutor on this case.
 
Waddy said:
"Manafort was paid millions in Ukraine by Putin partners there to oppose every policy of the United States concerning Ukraine and Russia.anafort and Short failed to report the payments which is a violation of law."

What's the Manafort case got to do with Trump? Be specific now... and make the connection. Identify the crime.

Obama is behind the Uranium One deal along with Hillary. Collusion with the enemy!! He wanted Russia to control the world's supply of uranium. He's been selling it to them for years. I sure hope we get a special prosecutor on this case.
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Anyone who wants evidence and charges of guilt filed in court needs to take this one patient step at a time. This is how Mueller is doing it. It is how Trump got into this. This is the guy Manafort who Trump hired as campaign chairman after knowing Manafort over a long term of Manafort's business and political actions....



9. In 2005, MANAFORT and another partner created Davis Manafort Partners, Inc. (DMP) to engage principally in political consulting. DMP had staff in the United States, Ukraine, and Russia. In 2011, MANAFORT created DMP International, LLC (DMI) to engage in work for foreign clients, in particular political consulting, lobbying, and public relations for the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions, and members of the Party of Regions.

10. The Party of Regions was a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine. Beginning in approximately 2006, it retained MANAFORT, through DMP and then DMI, to advance its interests in Ukraine, including the election of its slate of candidates. In 2010, its candidate for President, Yanukovych, was elected President of Ukraine. In 2014, Yanukovych fled Ukraine for Russia in the wake of popular protests of widespread governmental corruption. Yanukovych, the Party of Regions, and the Government of Ukraine were MANAFORT, DMP, and DMI clients.

11. The European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (the Centre) was created in or about 2012 in Belgium as a mouthpiece for Yanukovych and the Party of Regions. The Centre was used by MANAFORT, GATES, and others in order to lobby and conduct a public relations campaign in the United States and Europe on behalf of the existing Ukraine regime. The Centre effectively ceased to operate upon the downfall of Yanukovych in 2014.

22. At the direction of MANAFORT and GATES, Company A and Company B engaged in extensive lobbying. Among other things, they lobbied multiple Members of Congress and their staffs about Ukraine sanctions, the validity of Ukraine elections, and the propriety of Yanukovych's imprisoning his presidential rival, Yulia Tymoshenko (who had served as Ukraine President prior to Yanukovych).


Statutory Allegations

COUNT ONE

Conspiracy Against The United States

37. Paragraphs 1 through 30 and 32 through 36 are incorporated here.​

38. From in or about and between 2006 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR., and RICHARD W. GATES III, together with others, knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the United States, to wit, the violations of law charged in Counts Three through Six and Ten through Twelve.

39. In furtherance of the conspiracy and to effect its illegal object, MANAFORT and GATES committed the overt acts noted in Count Eleven and the overt acts, among others, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere as set forth in paragraphs 9, 16, 17, 20-25, 32, and 34-36, which are incorporated herein.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-indictment-annotated/?utm_term=.13ca8bcf0f47


It can't all be posted here nor do I choose to spread it all out over a couple of posts that I would anyway need to condense.

We'll dutifully keep youse posted thx nonetheless. You can also spend some time taking in the news. Youse need to recognize Manafort in Ukraine worked against the specifically stated policies of the United States and in the specifically stated interests of Russia.
 
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Anyone who wants evidence and charges of guilt filed in court needs to take this one patient step at a time. This is how Mueller is doing it. It is how Trump got into this. This is the guy Manafort who Trump hired as campaign chairman after knowing Manafort over a long term of Manafort's business and political actions....



9. In 2005, MANAFORT and another partner created Davis Manafort Partners, Inc. (DMP) to engage principally in political consulting. DMP had staff in the United States, Ukraine, and Russia. In 2011, MANAFORT created DMP International, LLC (DMI) to engage in work for foreign clients, in particular political consulting, lobbying, and public relations for the Government of Ukraine, the Party of Regions, and members of the Party of Regions.

10. The Party of Regions was a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine. Beginning in approximately 2006, it retained MANAFORT, through DMP and then DMI, to advance its interests in Ukraine, including the election of its slate of candidates. In 2010, its candidate for President, Yanukovych, was elected President of Ukraine. In 2014, Yanukovych fled Ukraine for Russia in the wake of popular protests of widespread governmental corruption. Yanukovych, the Party of Regions, and the Government of Ukraine were MANAFORT, DMP, and DMI clients.

11. The European Centre for a Modern Ukraine (the Centre) was created in or about 2012 in Belgium as a mouthpiece for Yanukovych and the Party of Regions. The Centre was used by MANAFORT, GATES, and others in order to lobby and conduct a public relations campaign in the United States and Europe on behalf of the existing Ukraine regime. The Centre effectively ceased to operate upon the downfall of Yanukovych in 2014.

22. At the direction of MANAFORT and GATES, Company A and Company B engaged in extensive lobbying. Among other things, they lobbied multiple Members of Congress and their staffs about Ukraine sanctions, the validity of Ukraine elections, and the propriety of Yanukovych's imprisoning his presidential rival, Yulia Tymoshenko (who had served as Ukraine President prior to Yanukovych).


Statutory Allegations

COUNT ONE

Conspiracy Against The United States

37. Paragraphs 1 through 30 and 32 through 36 are incorporated here.​

38. From in or about and between 2006 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR., and RICHARD W. GATES III, together with others, knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the United States, to wit, the violations of law charged in Counts Three through Six and Ten through Twelve.

39. In furtherance of the conspiracy and to effect its illegal object, MANAFORT and GATES committed the overt acts noted in Count Eleven and the overt acts, among others, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere as set forth in paragraphs 9, 16, 17, 20-25, 32, and 34-36, which are incorporated herein.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-indictment-annotated/?utm_term=.13ca8bcf0f47


It can't all be posted here nor do I choose to spread it all out over a couple of posts that I would anyway need to condense.

We'll dutifully keep youse posted thx nonetheless. You can also spend some time taking in the news. Youse need to recognize Manafort in Ukraine worked against the specifically stated policies of the United States and in the specifically stated interests of Russia.
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So what; none of that applies to President Trump. What crime has President Trump committed? Not Manafort; what he did is on him. You seem to know everything about this investigation. Get on it. I can't get any of you liberals to show me the criminal statute President Trump has violated. Once again, be specific; show me the crime. Jeeeeze, a guy asks a simple question. You'd think any liberal worth his salt would have the answer on the tip of his tongue.
 
A reminder as to what TREASON really is.....

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

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Someone keeps prattling without understanding the definition of Treason....
 
Waddy said:
So what; none of that applies to President Trump. What crime has President Trump committed? Not Manafort; what he did is on him. You seem to know everything about this investigation. Get on it. I can't get any of you liberals to show me the criminal statute President Trump has violated. Once again, be specific; show me the crime. Jeeeeze, a guy asks a simple question. You'd think any liberal worth his salt would have the answer on the tip of his tongue.
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Kindly re-read the OP so youse over there might settle down. Get back on course.

Nobody over here has said Trump has been charged with a crime. Many of us expect Trump will create his own run-in against the law as most of everything he does and says seems to move in that direction. Youse on the right are demanding a crime that does not exist and which no one has attempted to attach to Trump. Youse are OTT instead of being with the OP.

Perhaps this from the link in the OP will refresh your memory and get the thread refocused on Trump and what he is doing....


On one level, the greatest casualty was trust. The president was already waging a perilous verbal war with the U.S. intelligence agencies. His sharing secrets with the Russians has very likely ground whatever remnants of a working relationship had survived into irreparable pieces. “How can the agency continue to provide the White House with intel,” challenged one former operative, “without wondering where it will wind up?” And he added ominously, “Those leaks to The New York Times and The Washington Post about the investigations into Trump and his cohorts is no accident. Trust me: you don’t want to get into a pissing match with a bunch of spooks. This is war.”

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Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, President Donald Trump, and Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergei Kislyak meeting in the Oval Office at the White House on May 10th, 2017.
By Alexander Shcherbak/TASS/Getty Images.


And what about America’s vital intelligence relationships with its allies? Former C.I.A. deputy director Michael Morell publicly worried, “Third countries who provide the United States with intelligence information will now have pause.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-intel-slip?google_editors_picks=true


For a guy who doesn't like to get his hands dirty Trump sure is working hard digging that hole he's in deeper yet.
 
Tangmo; "Youse on the right are demanding a crime that does not exist and which no one has attempted to attach to Trump."

Well, the OP said treason. Last time I checked that was a crime. But glad to see you've come around and realized Trump hasn't been charged with any crime...unless making liberals crazy is a crime.
 
Waddy said:
Tangmo; "Youse on the right are demanding a crime that does not exist and which no one has attempted to attach to Trump."

Well, the OP said treason. Last time I checked that was a crime. But glad to see you've come around and realized Trump hasn't been charged with any crime...unless making liberals crazy is a crime.
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Neither the OP entry nor the link it contains uses the word 'treason.'

The thread title is: THIS is what treason looks like. If you want to parse the OP and thread title, "like" is not the literal thing. Moreover, "looks like" isn't it either, whatever it may be. Consequently, in my reading of the OP and thread title I do not find treason alleged or documented. Certainly not treason as it is defined in the Constitution or in the statutory law, USC.

The OP himself may have this view or he may not, however, I respect the OP whatever the interpretation of the poster who started the thread. I haven't any argument with the poster who initiated the thread.

I do nonetheless have a beef with your post. First, I never said Trump is charged with a crime. If you know anyone posting who has said Trump has been charged in a court of law with a crime you are within your bounds to address the poster. Fact is however Trump has been charged in courts of law with many crimes but treason is not one of 'em. Not yet. Probably never. "Conspiracy Against The United States" will suffice thx. To my mind, Treason and the crime of Conspiracy Against The United States are six of one and a half dozen of the other.

For the benefit of those who didn't get my post #121 the first time, here is a part of it again:


A Trump Treason Timeline

Josh Marshall put together a timeline of Trump’s candidacy at TPM a few weeks ago, while Nick Wing gathered a much longer view for Huffington Post. Steven Harper’s excellent interactive timeline at BillMoyers.com got mentions on every non-Fox news channel when it was published two weeks ago.

They all make valuable reading.

“The sheer volume of information in this one thread of the Trump campaign conspiracy with Russia is so overwhelming,” Keith Olbermann says of Donald Trump, Jr’s June 2016 meeting with Russians in a recent video, “that only when viewed chronologically does it make any sense or does it become clear that it is, in short, a timeline of treason.”

We should use that word lightly: whereas the constitutional definition of criminal treason has a very specific legal threshold, “treason” in popular usage simply means betrayal of the United States to a hostile power.

Even if the president is only ever charged with obstruction and other crimes, or no crime at all, the timelines look like treason when viewed together.

A Trump Treason Timeline Shows He Sucked Up To Putin, Lied About Why | DeepStateNation



All the same things have become radically different in recent days. Trump appears now to have committed obstruction of justice in the Flynn-Comey busts. And the lawyer of Potus says the Potus cannot commit obstruction of justice because Potus is HimSelf Justice. Whether these developments are treason or a conspiracy against the United States is six of one and a half dozen of the other. Another issue I and others have is that American conservatives and other rightwingers want the way of life in the United States to be more like it is in Russia than vice-versa. That too may likely be six of one and a half dozen of the other.

I also reference my post #63.
 
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Neither the OP entry nor the link it contains uses the word 'treason.'

The thread title is: THIS is what treason looks like. If you want to parse the OP and thread title, "like" is not the literal thing. Moreover, "looks like" isn't it either, whatever it may be. Consequently, in my reading of the OP and thread title I do not find treason alleged or documented. Certainly not treason as it is defined in the Constitution or in the statutory law, USC.

The OP himself may have this view or he may not, however, I respect the OP whatever the interpretation of the poster who started the thread. I haven't any argument with the poster who initiated the thread.

I do nonetheless have a beef with your post. First, I never said Trump is charged with a crime. If you know anyone posting who has said Trump has been charged in a court of law with a crime you are within your bounds to address the poster. Fact is however Trump has been charged in courts of law with many crimes but treason is not one of 'em. Not yet. Probably never. "Conspiracy Against The United States" will suffice thx. To my mind, Treason and the crime of Conspiracy Against The United States are six of one and a half dozen of the other.

For the benefit of those who didn't get my post #121 the first time, here is a part of it again:


A Trump Treason Timeline

Josh Marshall put together a timeline of Trump’s candidacy at TPM a few weeks ago, while Nick Wing gathered a much longer view for Huffington Post. Steven Harper’s excellent interactive timeline at BillMoyers.com got mentions on every non-Fox news channel when it was published two weeks ago.

They all make valuable reading.

“The sheer volume of information in this one thread of the Trump campaign conspiracy with Russia is so overwhelming,” Keith Olbermann says of Donald Trump, Jr’s June 2016 meeting with Russians in a recent video, “that only when viewed chronologically does it make any sense or does it become clear that it is, in short, a timeline of treason.”

We should use that word lightly: whereas the constitutional definition of criminal treason has a very specific legal threshold, “treason” in popular usage simply means betrayal of the United States to a hostile power.

Even if the president is only ever charged with obstruction and other crimes, or no crime at all, the timelines look like treason when viewed together.

A Trump Treason Timeline Shows He Sucked Up To Putin, Lied About Why | DeepStateNation



All the same things have become radically different in recent days. Trump appears now to have committed obstruction of justice in the Flynn-Comey busts. And the lawyer of Potus says the Potus cannot commit obstruction of justice because Potus is HimSelf Justice. Whether these developments are treason or a conspiracy against the United States is six of one and a half dozen of the other. Another issue I and others have is that American conservatives and other rightwingers want the way of life in the United States to be more like it is in Russia than vice-versa. That too may likely be six of one and a half dozen of the other.

I also reference my post #63.
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So. No TREASON. Because words mean things. And the definition of TREASON is clear and concise unlike your posts.

As far as "Conspiracy against the United States" please reread my post where that gem is discussed. "Conspiracy against the United States" of and by itself IS NOT treason unless it fall under the definition given multiple times.
 
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Keep trying tangmo. You still haven't put a crime on president Trump.
 
Waddy said:
Keep trying tangmo. You still haven't put a crime on president Trump.
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You are one hand clapping over there. That is, absurd.

Nobody posting to the thread has said Trump has been accused of a crime by a Constituted authority. There isn't any formal document.

I have said this to you over there several times from over here. Yet you continue to press the button on the right edge of your keyboard that reproduces the above post. I have also posted I don't expect Trump to be presented with a formal charge of Treason. Not by any Constituted authority.

I have moreover posted statements and analysis by legal authorities with links that say treason in the mind of the vast majority of the people constitutes aid, assistance and support of the enemy. I refer to common sense public opinion. It may apply in the complicity of Trump-Putin, i.e., Russia vs USA.

Despite my replies to you, you are set and determined to post the same post I refuted originally -- and each time since to include of course here and now in this post.

The charges we see being issued by the grand jury of the special prosecutor are "Conspiracy Against The United States." We also see lying to investigators. We see now live wire discussion of obstruction of justice. I say again as I have said and said only, the investigation continues. Methinks along with many others that Trump has plans or desires to the contrary.

I have also stated that American conservatives and other rightwingers draw my attention in a particular way. That is, youse have made clear consistently and over time that youse prefer (strongly) that the American Way of Life be subsumed by the Russian way of life, suffering, misery, pathos. American conservatives are vocal and persistent in expressing their view Putin is to be admired because he is a strong leader. Let me be polite to say I see Trump as a strongman leader too. To be more forthright about it tho, I say further that Trump swore his oath of office then wiped his arse with it. To the cheers and support of American conservatives.
 
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During his meeting with Russian ambassadors at the Oval Office, Donald Trump gave them information that was classified top secret, and put the lives of at least 2 Israeli agents at risk.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-intel-slip?google_editors_picks=true
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What is interesting about this, is that there were 3 other Americans in that room with Trump and the Russians. They were H.R. McMaster, National Security adviser, Dina Powell, Deputy National Security adviser, and Rex Tillerson, Secretary of State. So which one of these 3 leaked to the Washington Post that Trump gave the Russians classified information that had not gone through the process of being declassified? Trump had blocked out American media, and let Russian media in.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.09faacd266a5
Who was in Trump's meeting with the Russians? - CNNPolitics

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U.S. Intelligence agents had warned Israeli Intelligence 3 months prior, not to give Trump any sensitive information, citing he is compromised by Russia.
Israel was warned not to give intel to Trump that could be leaked to Russia - Business Insider
U.S. Officials ?Warned Israel? Not to Share Sensitive Intel With Trump
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...sia-iranclassified-intelligence-a7526556.html

It's clear that Trump's own cabinet doesn't trust him. They will leak information like this in order to protect this country, and in this case Israel, and agents they have in very dangerous places around the world.
 
Waddy said:
Keep trying tangmo. You still haven't put a crime on president Trump.
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Trump is being investigated for Obstruction of Justice over the firing of James Comey. That is an impeachable offense.

Just 4 days ago Republican Senators, (not just James Comey) stated that Trump pressured them to drop the Russian investigation--over this last summer, (after Mueller) had opened up an investigation into Trump's Obstruction of Justice. It's like comitting the same crime over again, while you're under investigation for that crime--:lol:

And it didn't help that Trump went on an NBC interview with Lester Holt and admit he fired Comey over the Russian investigation. This video explains it.



Now if you believe Trump's lawyers that the President is above the law in this country, you might want to remember Watergate if you were born yet--:lol:
Nixon charged with first of three articles of impeachment - Jul 27, 1974 - HISTORY.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre
 
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