The Sandernistas Clear Hypocrisy

[NeverTrump]

I think it's stupid that people are suddenly believing Brazille and Warren two party outcasts and two people who have their own trouble with the truth at certain times, over allegations that the Sanders campaign is claiming that the primary process was rigged against them. If that was really the case why did Bernie actually do well in the MidWest during the primaries? Something that no democrat expected... Could it be that his support was never suppressed and that his campaign just didn't have much experience in dealing with the muddy waters of DC politics??? Could it? No...

I guess it's all a HUGE conspiracy theory even though Sanders' campaign was set up in a way to specifically be different than the way the Clinton campaign rose money and the candidate himself boasted about this numerous times. Stating, things like his small donations, and not requiring lobbyists to raise money. Well, Sanders people, what exactly do you think the DNC is composed of??? Why are you now going full spazz wishing you had the support of these people? The same people you constantly berated and insulted?

Furthermore, since the DNC was basically bankrupt, Clinton could have won the campaign without their resources. Especially if all the conspiracy theories about her corruption turns out to be true! I guess she could be charged with actually helping her party. Wow! What did Sanders do to help the party?

Since he and his campaign wanted no part in fundraising from the DNC (as goes the Sanders idealistic message) the documents that he signed perfectly matches the message. If these documents matched what Sanders camp wants now, the base would have been furious and I'm sure the CT would read something like this: DNC sought to sabotage Sanders campaign from within.

 

[iguanaman]

I think it's stupid that people are suddenly believing Brazille and Warren two party outcasts and two people who have their own trouble with the truth at certain times, over allegations that the Sanders campaign is claiming that the primary process was rigged against them. If that was really the case why did Bernie actually do well in the MidWest during the primaries? Something that no democrat expected... Could it be that his support was never suppressed and that his campaign just didn't have much experience in dealing with the muddy waters of DC politics??? Could it? No...

I guess it's all a HUGE conspiracy theory even though Sanders' campaign was set up in a way to specifically be different than the way the Clinton campaign rose money and the candidate himself boasted about this numerous times. Stating, things like his small donations, and not requiring lobbyists to raise money. Well, Sanders people, what exactly do you think the DNC is composed of??? Why are you now going full spazz wishing you had the support of these people? The same people you constantly berated and insulted?

Furthermore, since the DNC was basically bankrupt, Clinton could have won the campaign without their resources. Especially if all the conspiracy theories about her corruption turns out to be true! I guess she could be charged with actually helping her party. Wow! What did Sanders do to help the party?

Since he and his campaign wanted no part in fundraising from the DNC (as goes the Sanders idealistic message) the documents that he signed perfectly matches the message. If these documents matched what Sanders camp wants now, the base would have been furious and I'm sure the CT would read something like this: DNC sought to sabotage Sanders campaign from within.

Yes it appears that some Dems are falling prey to the same old line that Trump and the Russians used to hurt Hillary and help Trump win. Many young and impressionable Dem voters stayed home and that is not lost on Trump. Sowing discord is both of their goals and those hacked emails are still reaping rewards. I suppose some of them are well meaning Dems that want to "fix" the party, but in the end there is no difference between them and the trolls. Beating the dead Clinton horse only serves as a distraction from the Trump administrations profound problems and serves only to help Trump.

Could Sanders have won primary that wasn't 'rigged'? - CNNPolitics

 

[Lutherf]

It's astounding that after all the years and all the effort Hillary Clinton has put into public service that anyone would attempt to paint her as corrupt. This woman has healed the sick, fed the poor, raised up the oppressed and stood, shield in hand, against the army of naysayers who said she couldn't do it. Hillary is the one who blazed the path for woman such as Brazile and Warren. Without Hillary the plight of women in this nation would still be where it was 150 years ago. She is the chief custodian of the earth, mother to all nations, and lady justice for the races.

Some people just have no appreciation for how wonderful Hillary is.

 

[Surrealistik]

I think it's stupid that people are suddenly believing Brazille and Warren two party outcasts and two people who have their own trouble with the truth at certain times, over allegations that the Sanders campaign is claiming that the primary process was rigged against them. If that was really the case why did Bernie actually do well in the MidWest during the primaries? Something that no democrat expected... Could it be that his support was never suppressed and that his campaign just didn't have much experience in dealing with the muddy waters of DC politics??? Could it? No...

I guess it's all a HUGE conspiracy theory even though Sanders' campaign was set up in a way to specifically be different than the way the Clinton campaign rose money and the candidate himself boasted about this numerous times. Stating, things like his small donations, and not requiring lobbyists to raise money. Well, Sanders people, what exactly do you think the DNC is composed of??? Why are you now going full spazz wishing you had the support of these people? The same people you constantly berated and insulted?

Furthermore, since the DNC was basically bankrupt, Clinton could have won the campaign without their resources. Especially if all the conspiracy theories about her corruption turns out to be true! I guess she could be charged with actually helping her party. Wow! What did Sanders do to help the party?

Since he and his campaign wanted no part in fundraising from the DNC (as goes the Sanders idealistic message) the documents that he signed perfectly matches the message. If these documents matched what Sanders camp wants now, the base would have been furious and I'm sure the CT would read something like this: DNC sought to sabotage Sanders campaign from within.

So, Clinton helped her party by essentially buying it out right, demanding absolute control over it in exchange which she received, and then turning it into a massive money laundering operation to circumvent federal campaign finance law? Right on.

Also which egregious issues has Warren had with the truth (let me guess, Pocahontas? Yawn)? For her part, Donna's lies have only ever benefited the establishment she was a loyal soldier for until recently. By the way, there's nothing 'sudden' about believing Warren; in Donna's case it makes sense because as stated, the thrust of her dishonesty was always in the opposite direction on behalf of a camp she was always a die hard supporter of.

I don't know if Sanders would have won if the primary process wasn't 'rigged' and no one does for absolutely certain, but what I do know that the primary was unbelievably corrupt and skewed, and Clinton was directly responsible for its sorry state in large part (and Obama for leaving the party in such horrible debt to begin with).

 

[Dirt Sands]

I think it's stupid that people are suddenly believing Brazille and Warren two party outcasts and two people who have their own trouble with the truth at certain times, over allegations that the Sanders campaign is claiming that the primary process was rigged against them. If that was really the case why did Bernie actually do well in the MidWest during the primaries? Something that no democrat expected... Could it be that his support was never suppressed and that his campaign just didn't have much experience in dealing with the muddy waters of DC politics??? Could it? No...

I guess it's all a HUGE conspiracy theory even though Sanders' campaign was set up in a way to specifically be different than the way the Clinton campaign rose money and the candidate himself boasted about this numerous times. Stating, things like his small donations, and not requiring lobbyists to raise money. Well, Sanders people, what exactly do you think the DNC is composed of??? Why are you now going full spazz wishing you had the support of these people? The same people you constantly berated and insulted?

Furthermore, since the DNC was basically bankrupt, Clinton could have won the campaign without their resources. Especially if all the conspiracy theories about her corruption turns out to be true! I guess she could be charged with actually helping her party. Wow! What did Sanders do to help the party?

Since he and his campaign wanted no part in fundraising from the DNC (as goes the Sanders idealistic message) the documents that he signed perfectly matches the message. If these documents matched what Sanders camp wants now, the base would have been furious and I'm sure the CT would read something like this: DNC sought to sabotage Sanders campaign from within.

Every time a Democrat loses they blame somebody else. Bernie came in fourth place since he was second in the party that lost. He didn't and wouldn't have had the support in a general election despite what the Bernie's say. The country was not behind him and that's why he lost. You have to win at the game to change the game and they didn't believe in winning first. Maybe he should have taken corporate money to win and then change it after a victory. It is never the Republicans fault when they lose. Always theirs.

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[Perotista]

I think it's stupid that people are suddenly believing Brazille and Warren two party outcasts and two people who have their own trouble with the truth at certain times, over allegations that the Sanders campaign is claiming that the primary process was rigged against them. If that was really the case why did Bernie actually do well in the MidWest during the primaries? Something that no democrat expected... Could it be that his support was never suppressed and that his campaign just didn't have much experience in dealing with the muddy waters of DC politics??? Could it? No...

I guess it's all a HUGE conspiracy theory even though Sanders' campaign was set up in a way to specifically be different than the way the Clinton campaign rose money and the candidate himself boasted about this numerous times. Stating, things like his small donations, and not requiring lobbyists to raise money. Well, Sanders people, what exactly do you think the DNC is composed of??? Why are you now going full spazz wishing you had the support of these people? The same people you constantly berated and insulted?

Furthermore, since the DNC was basically bankrupt, Clinton could have won the campaign without their resources. Especially if all the conspiracy theories about her corruption turns out to be true! I guess she could be charged with actually helping her party. Wow! What did Sanders do to help the party?

Since he and his campaign wanted no part in fundraising from the DNC (as goes the Sanders idealistic message) the documents that he signed perfectly matches the message. If these documents matched what Sanders camp wants now, the base would have been furious and I'm sure the CT would read something like this: DNC sought to sabotage Sanders campaign from within.

If one paid attention, there was a meeting between Bill, Hillary and Obama prior to the 2012 election that pretty much guaranteed the 2016 Democratic nomination to Hillary.

Obama made 'secret deal to support Hillary Clinton's 2016 run in exchange for Bill's support during re-election campaign' | Daily Mail Online

If one watched, 13 super delegates then pledged their support to Hillary between election day 2012 and New Years 2013. She had over 300 pledged super delegates before the year turned to 2015, long before she announced, Sanders decided to seek the Democratic nomination and before Obama talked Warren out of running for the 2016 nomination. It was no surprise Sanders received only 48 out of 712 super delegates.

Then there were those tons of reports that Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC did all they could to favor Hillary and influence the different state Democratic Party leaders to help Hillary. Just look at the Nevada caucuses as an example. Now this, maybe you don't think the Democratic primary nomination process was jury rigged in Clinton's favor, but I sure do.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. I for one wish Hillary would just be quiet. She is not going to be elected to anything in the future. Many people voted against her who may well have voted for Sanders.

The Democratic Party sucks every bit as much as the GOP. Both are hosed up and have been.

The Democratic Party's use of Superdelegates were misused, as I suppose they have been before - and it looks as if the Democratic Party is going to continue with Superdelegates in the future. As Clinton's campaign essentially bought the debt of the DNC during the campaign the took complete control of the party. They stupidly siphoned buckets of Democratic contributions made at the local level and invested relatively little to support local Democratic candidates at state level. Most of the money went to the Hillary campaign. In essence that arrogance that was/is the Clinton campaign and the DNC leadership assumed that the myth of minorities always voting Democratic was another fatal mistake.

The DNC establishment did not want Bernie. They still don't. They didn't accept Bernie. They still don't. Pretty much the Democratic Party at national level is still as ****ed up as it was during the last presidential campaign. It appears they have no intention of initiating real change in the Party. The arrogance of the established DNC remains. Change means giving up control and it seems they don't want to.

Would Bernie have beaten Hillary and then Trump if the game hadn't been rigged by Hillary and the DNC? We can't know. I'd like to think he would have. I would have voted for Bernie. I would never, ever, vote for Hillary and I said so at the time. I know many people felt the same way.

The GOP is no alternative for Independents, Moderates or actual Conservatives. The GOP is no better for the US than the DNC. The GOP is damn near dead as is the DNC.

Partisanship sucks like a bucket of ticks.

 

[NeverTrump]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. I for one wish Hillary would just be quiet. She is not going to be elected to anything in the future. Many people voted against her who may well have voted for Sanders.

The Democratic Party sucks every bit as much as the GOP. Both are hosed up and have been.

The Democratic Party's use of Superdelegates were misused, as I suppose they have been before - and it looks as if the Democratic Party is going to continue with Superdelegates in the future. As Clinton's campaign essentially bought the debt of the DNC during the campaign the took complete control of the party. They stupidly siphoned buckets of Democratic contributions made at the local level and invested relatively little to support local Democratic candidates at state level. Most of the money went to the Hillary campaign. In essence that arrogance that was/is the Clinton campaign and the DNC leadership assumed that the myth of minorities always voting Democratic was another fatal mistake.

The DNC establishment did not want Bernie. They still don't. They didn't accept Bernie. They still don't. Pretty much the Democratic Party at national level is still as ****ed up as it was during the last presidential campaign. It appears they have no intention of initiating real change in the Party. The arrogance of the established DNC remains. Change means giving up control and it seems they don't want to.

Would Bernie have beaten Hillary and then Trump if the game hadn't been rigged by Hillary and the DNC? We can't know. I'd like to think he would have. I would have voted for Bernie. I would never, ever, vote for Hillary and I said so at the time. I know many people felt the same way.

The GOP is no alternative for Independents, Moderates or actual Conservatives. The GOP is no better for the US than the DNC. The GOP is damn near dead as is the DNC.

Partisanship sucks like a bucket of ticks.

So then if you and many other people would have never voted for Hillary, why is there a need for a conspiracy that the DNC rigged the election? Did Bernie accept the party? Maybe there wasn't enough of of those people in the party for Bernie to take advantage of. Only after he lost did he start acting like a full fledged member of the Democratic Party. He's still silent on these latest revelations. It likely wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[Perotista]

It's astounding that after all the years and all the effort Hillary Clinton has put into public service that anyone would attempt to paint her as corrupt. This woman has healed the sick, fed the poor, raised up the oppressed and stood, shield in hand, against the army of naysayers who said she couldn't do it. Hillary is the one who blazed the path for woman such as Brazile and Warren. Without Hillary the plight of women in this nation would still be where it was 150 years ago. She is the chief custodian of the earth, mother to all nations, and lady justice for the races.

Some people just have no appreciation for how wonderful Hillary is.

Yes, there is the comic book heroine and then there is reality.

 

[Risky Thicket]

So then if you and many other people would have never voted for Hillary, why is there a need for a conspiracy that the DNC rigged the election? Did Bernie accept the party? Maybe there wasn't enough of of those people in the party for Bernie to take advantage of. Only after he lost did he start acting like a full fledged member of the Democratic Party. He's still silent on these latest revelations. It likely wouldn't have made a difference.

There is no conspiracy and thus there is no need for one. The DNC clearly rigged the nomination process.

We can't know with certainty that Bernie would have won. I believe that he would have. Hillary and her cabal of bold deceivers obviously felt that it was a real possibility otherwise the deception wouldn't have occurred.

In my opinion the DNC is so screwed up Bernie would be and is wise enough to stay out of the cluster****.

 

[NeverTrump]

There is no conspiracy and thus there is no need for one. The DNC clearly rigged the nomination process.

We can't know with certainty that Bernie would have won. I believe that he would have. Hillary and her cabal of bold deceivers obviously felt that it was a real possibility otherwise the deception wouldn't have occurred.

In my opinion the DNC is so screwed up Bernie would be and is wise enough to stay out of the cluster****.

You say clearly rigged. It's not clear that they clearly rigged anything. It is clear to me that bernie camp didn't try hard enough and now is complaining about not taking money from lobbyists. IDK how that helps their anti-corruption message.

 

[apdst]

There is no conspiracy and thus there is no need for one. The DNC clearly rigged the nomination process.

We can't know with certainty that Bernie would have won. I believe that he would have. Hillary and her cabal of bold deceivers obviously felt that it was a real possibility otherwise the deception wouldn't have occurred.

In my opinion the DNC is so screwed up Bernie would be and is wise enough to stay out of the cluster****.

I kinda felt bad Sanders. That poor sumbitch went into it thinking he was going to get a fair shot and he got nothing but an ass****ing.

 

[apdst]

You say clearly rigged. It's not clear that they clearly rigged anything. It is clear to me that bernie camp didn't try hard enough and now is complaining about not taking money from lobbyists. IDK how that helps their anti-corruption message.

The DNC rigged the primary, the day before they dreamed the idea of super delegates.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

You say clearly rigged. It's not clear that they clearly rigged anything. It is clear to me that bernie camp didn't try hard enough and now is complaining about not taking money from lobbyists. IDK how that helps their anti-corruption message.

The Democratic Party establishment clearly gathered around the candidate they wanted to win.

I have a hard time swallowing the notion that insider Party politics is somehow new and sinister.

 

[Dirt Sands]

The Democratic Party establishment clearly gathered around the candidate they wanted to win.

I have a hard time swallowing the notion that insider Party politics is somehow new and sinister.

If there was a constuancy for change, changed would have happened. It cost nothing to cast a ballot. Bernie's camp didn't get a fair shake but thats politics. Good political candidates would win inspire of it. Maybe he should have been the one that manipulating the DNC.

But that's politics.

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[Greenbeard]

The Democratic Party establishment clearly gathered around the candidate they wanted to win.

So did the Democratic Party's voters, for that matter.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

If there was a constuancy for change, changed would have happened. It cost nothing to cast a ballot. Bernie's camp didn't get a fair shake but thats politics. Good political candidates would win inspire of it. Maybe he should have been the one that manipulating the DNC.

But that's politics.

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If one paid attention during 2014 and 2015, the Democratic Party establishment was rallying behind Clinton

 

[NeverTrump]

I kinda felt bad Sanders. That poor sumbitch went into it thinking he was going to get a fair shot and he got nothing but an ass****ing.

Why do you feel bad about a socialist not getting his fair shot? Talk about irony.

 

[apdst]

Why do you feel bad about a socialist not getting his fair shot? Talk about irony.

Why is it ironic?

 

[NeverTrump]

Why is it ironic?

Because of your respective political ideologies.

 

[apdst]

Because of your respective political ideologies.

Ok...expand on that.

 

[Linc]

I kinda felt bad Sanders. That poor sumbitch went into it thinking he was going to get a fair shot and he got nothing but an ass****ing.

Yet you would NOT have felt bad for the good Senator if had been the Nominee ...

 

[Risky Thicket]

You say clearly rigged. It's not clear that they clearly rigged anything. It is clear to me that bernie camp didn't try hard enough and now is complaining about not taking money from lobbyists. IDK how that helps their anti-corruption message.

As I see it nothing they’ve done so far helps the Democratic Party’s anti-corruption message. I never suggested otherwise.

I am not a Democrat. I’m not going to defend the Democratic Party. What in the world have I said that would make you otherwise?

The Bernie camp did not have the power to alter the corruption in the DNC. What makes you think they had that power? What exactly should Bernie done at the time given the knowledge he had that would have been generally accepted by the Party?

The DNC and the GOP are just as corrupt, and likely more so, than ever. How is it that neither party has changed? If you have the answers please share them.

 

[NeverTrump]

Ok...expand on that.

Trump is actually making you feel bad for a socialist. Just think about it...

 

[NeverTrump]

As I see it nothing they’ve done so far helps the Democratic Party’s anti-corruption message. I never suggested otherwise.

I am not a Democrat. I’m not going to defend the Democratic Party. What in the world have I said that would make you otherwise?

The Bernie camp did not have the power to alter the corruption in the DNC. What makes you think they had that power? What exactly should Bernie done at the time given the knowledge he had that would have been generally accepted by the Party?

The DNC and the GOP are just as corrupt, and likely more so, than ever. How is it that neither party has changed? If you have the answers please share them.

And the point I was making went way over your head. Bernie campaigned on being an outsider and now his campaign is complaining that he isn't an insider. Such is the song of the sore loser.