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Trump Says He’s ‘Very Frustrated’ He Can’t Order DOJ, FBI To Go After Hillary

Perotista said:
All in the eyes of the beholder. I'm not alone, 25% of all Americans disliked both major party candidates. Granted most of those 25% held their nose and voted for whom they considered the least horrible major party candidate.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

We have whom we have due to decisions and choices made last year by the two major parties. Only we find out that the Democrats rigged their nomination so it would be Hillary. Too bad the Democrats weren't allowed to make a rational choice. The choice of Hillary was made for them. How does that feel? I think the democrats, at least Hillary, the DNC, the state democratic party leaders got exactly what they deserved in Trump being president. The problem is the rest of us didn't deserve that.
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Ya we do, and if we dont wise up and get better we will also deserve worse which is on the way.
 
celticwar17 said:
I do not agree... still would have voted for a potato over Hillary.... literally.

I voted 3rd party... but was thankful and still am VERY thankful Hillary didn't win.
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That is pretty foolish given the alternative. Hillary would have been a fine President and we would be much better off in many ways.
 
Perotista said:
Irrelevant. Clinton was a bum candidate for numerous other reasons. We didn't need another family political dynasty. We didn't need someone who laughed at putting over 2,000 classified national security documents at risk which included 22 top secret SAP's. Laughed and blamed that on the vast right wing conspiracy. I could never vote for someone who thinks national security is a laughing matter.

Is nominating someone under federal investigation routine for the Democrats? Is jury rigging the primaries, caucuses, the nomination process routine for the Democrats?
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Trump told highly classified secrets (while laughing) to the Russians in the Oval office and yet you still yammer about Hillary's supposed leaks that have never been even proven. No classified material in Hillary's hands has ever been shown to have been hacked or caused any risk to out security.
Trump also hired a Russian Stooge as NSA director and yet that "private"server is still more important to you. Either you are a blind partisan or a fool to claim Hillary would have been nearly as bad as Trump. Trump is a disaster for the country and will need to be removed from office before his term is up. That is how bad he is.

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Exquisitor said:
Who did you want the Democrats to put up? Sanders? What of what everyone was jumping up and down for would Sanders be able to deliver through Congress? Then you would have personality in White House only, and how is this better than Donald Trump and Mike Pence against North Korea? Clinton's other faults and e-mails and servers don't mean a hill of beans to Benghazi, she did not have the Military vote, so you could say our Military used Russia in the election.
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Whom the Democrats put up was their business. I would have voted for any other Democrat, alive or dead with the exception of Clinton against Trump. If the Democratic Party's nomination process wasn't jury rigged in Hillary's favor, who knows whom they would have settled on. Sanders is but one possibility. You still had O'Malley and Webb, Webb was actually my first choice. Who knows who else would have entered if almost all the high ranking and elected Democratic officials didn't know the nomination process was rigged. I also liked Joe Biden. But it was as it was and we have whom we have as a result as president.

Benghazi, that didn't bother me none. It was a covert operation gone bad. A cover story that the Democrats are still sticking to with so many holes in it. They're idiots. Being military my whole life, it is the classified e-mails that really bother me. How one could put that many classified e-mails at risk and then laugh about it, she deserved to lose.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Ya we do, and if we dont wise up and get better we will also deserve worse which is on the way.
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Do we? The problem is the two major parties don't represent America as a whole anymore. From FDR when Pew Research and Gallup first started keeping track of party affiliation and identification, between 75-80% of all Americans identified or affiliated themselves with the two major parties. Having them choose the candidates made sense. Beginning with Reagan the two major parties started to lose membership, they began shrinking. They have continued shrinking until today only around 55% of all Americans identify or affiliate themselves with the two major parties. Neither party represents those in the middle, the center, center right, center left. Independents now make up 44% of the electorate. The biggest block or group of voters with no political home as the two parties have moved further and further left and right. With most states having closed primaries, most of that 44% have no say whom the two major parties nominate.

They now vote against the party/candidates they're mad at, not necessarily for whom they want to win. Last year if CNN exit polls are to be believed half, 50% of all those who voted for Trump were anti-Clinton voters. Not for Trump, not that they wanted him to win, they just wanted Clinton to lose. 39% of all of Hillary's votes was anti-Trump, same principle. Then 6% voted third party against both.

Yeah, it is bound to get worst.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump told highly classified secrets (while laughing) to the Russians in the Oval office and yet you still yammer about Hillary's supposed leaks that have never been even proven. No classified material in Hillary's hands has ever been shown to have been hacked or caused any risk to out security.
Trump also hired a Russian Stooge as NSA director and yet that "private"server is still more important to you. Either you are a blind partisan or a fool to claim Hillary would have been nearly as bad as Trump. Trump is a disaster for the country and will need to be removed from office before his term is up. That is how bad he is.

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I voted against both Trump and Clinton. 25% of all Americans didn't want neither or both to become the next president. They disliked both major party candidates. Yet most of that 25% held their nose and voted for the candidate they wanted to lose the least.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

In the end, only 38% of all Americans viewed Hillary in a positive light while 36% viewed Trump that way. Two bum candidates that including those 25% who disliked both candidates, 60% of all Americans disliked Trump, 60% disliked Clinton. Last year became the anti election. Not voting for someone you wanted to win, but voting against someone.

With a 36 and 38% favorable, Trump and Clinton set the record for the lowest favorable rating of any major party candidate since Gallup and Pew research began keeping track of these things during Truman. The previous record for the lowest was held by Barry Goldwater back in 1964 at 43%. Up and until last year, only one other presidential candidate had a below 50% favorable rating, that was G.H.W. Bush in 1992 at 46%. Trump and Clinton smashed both Goldwater's and Bush's record. No one liked either one of these nominees outside of their avid supporters.

Now that we know the democratic primary process was jury rigged in Clinton's favor, perhaps if it was honest and fair the democrats would have nominated someone else. A someone else who would be sitting in the Oval Office today. I truly believe that the democrats deserve a president Trump. Not that the rest of us do. It's not like the Democrats didn't know how unpopular Hillary was with most Americans. Back in February of 2016 a poll showed that 56% of all Americans wanted the democrats to nominate someone other than Clinton. Of course the democrats didn't listen to America as a whole. They rarely do. Jury rigged nomination process, not listening to America, just deserts.
 
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“But you know the saddest thing is that because I’m the president of the United States, I am not supposed to be involved with the Justice Department. I’m not supposed to be involved with the FBI. I’m not supposed to be doing the kind of things that I would love to be doing. And I’m very frustrated by it.”
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I think it sounds better in the original German.
 
Perotista said:
I voted against both Trump and Clinton. 25% of all Americans didn't want neither or both to become the next president. They disliked both major party candidates. Yet most of that 25% held their nose and voted for the candidate they wanted to lose the least.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

In the end, only 38% of all Americans viewed Hillary in a positive light while 36% viewed Trump that way. Two bum candidates that including those 25% who disliked both candidates, 60% of all Americans disliked Trump, 60% disliked Clinton. Last year became the anti election. Not voting for someone you wanted to win, but voting against someone.

With a 36 and 38% favorable, Trump and Clinton set the record for the lowest favorable rating of any major party candidate since Gallup and Pew research began keeping track of these things during Truman. The previous record for the lowest was held by Barry Goldwater back in 1964 at 43%. Up and until last year, only one other presidential candidate had a below 50% favorable rating, that was G.H.W. Bush in 1992 at 46%. Trump and Clinton smashed both Goldwater's and Bush's record. No one liked either one of these nominees outside of their avid supporters.

Now that we know the democratic primary process was jury rigged in Clinton's favor, perhaps if it was honest and fair the democrats would have nominated someone else. A someone else who would be sitting in the Oval Office today. I truly believe that the democrats deserve a president Trump. Not that the rest of us do. It's not like the Democrats didn't know how unpopular Hillary was with most Americans. Back in February of 2016 a poll showed that 56% of all Americans wanted the democrats to nominate someone other than Clinton. Of course the democrats didn't listen to America as a whole. They rarely do. Jury rigged nomination process, not listening to America, just deserts.
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This is not about whether one liked one candidate over the other. The important matter is about Fascism. It's not normal to have a president who doesn't believe in the fundamental protections and rule of law that makes this nation what it is. Trump would much rather be an absolute dictator, who can throw his enemies and critics in jail (or worse.) His views are antithetical to American values. Not having such power makes him "frustrated."
 
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MTAtech said:
This is not about whether one liked one candidate over the other. The important matter is about Fascism. It's not normal to have a president who doesn't believe in the fundamental protections and rule of law that makes this nation what it is. Trump would much rather be an absolute dictator, who can throw his enemies and critics in jail (or worse.) His views are antithetical to American values. Not having such power makes him "frustrated."
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We have a President Trump due to the actions, decisions, choices made last year. Trump could have been easily avoided. I'm still not over the choices made last year. Does my frustration, anger over a jury rigged election process, the nomination process is certainly an election process. Does that make me ignore a lot of what Trump does and almost everything he says, it probably does. I've been ignoring what Trump says when it became clear to me that one day he would say one thing, the complete opposite the next and deny saying anything at all on the third.

How can the Democrats get mad at possible Russian involvement in our election process when they, themselves jury rigged their election process? Trump is an egotistical, obnoxious, idiot. Everyone outside of his avid supporters knows that. But he did win an election that was certainly less rigged and influenced than Hillary's nomination process.

When Trump won, I was shocked, I had resigned myself to a Hillary Clinton presidency. But I didn't care which of the two bums won, I voted against both. Even knowing what I do today, I still would vote against both. One thing is for certain, one can't trust either major party or put stock into anything they say. Talk about the last days of Rome.
 
Perotista said:
We have a President Trump due to the actions, decisions, choices made last year. Trump could have been easily avoided. I'm still not over the choices made last year. Does my frustration, anger over a jury rigged election process, the nomination process is certainly an election process. Does that make me ignore a lot of what Trump does and almost everything he says, it probably does. I've been ignoring what Trump says when it became clear to me that one day he would say one thing, the complete opposite the next and deny saying anything at all on the third.

How can the Democrats get mad at possible Russian involvement in our election process when they, themselves jury rigged their election process? Trump is an egotistical, obnoxious, idiot. Everyone outside of his avid supporters knows that. But he did win an election that was certainly less rigged and influenced than Hillary's nomination process.

When Trump won, I was shocked, I had resigned myself to a Hillary Clinton presidency. But I didn't care which of the two bums won, I voted against both. Even knowing what I do today, I still would vote against both. One thing is for certain, one can't trust either major party or put stock into anything they say. Talk about the last days of Rome.
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While the current narrative is that Hillary "rigged" the primary, there are several differences:
The first, is that HRC gave money to bailout the DNC. That's a life-long Democrat donating money to the party she believes in, because she wants the best for America. In return she got certain assurances, none of which is clear how that translated into her getting 4 million more votes than Bernie. I don't see the connected dots and the term "rigged" -- which means cheating, or take an action to win when one wouldn't win before, doesn't apply.

Second, if Trump and his campaign conspired, which is seeming more and more obvious, with Russia for Trump to win the election, that's a hostile foreign power, acting in the hostile power's interest to undermine their adversary, the United States. Thus, Trump would be essentially a Russian tool and would have been acting to undermine the United States.

The two cases are not analogous.
 
iguanaman said:
That is pretty foolish given the alternative. Hillary would have been a fine President and we would be much better off in many ways.
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Lol, the trouble is, the Marxist view of "better off" isn't the American view.
 
MTAtech said:
While the current narrative is that Hillary "rigged" the primary, there are several differences:
The first, is that HRC gave money to bailout the DNC. That's a life-long Democrat donating money to the party she believes in, because she wants the best for America. In return she got certain assurances, none of which is clear how that translated into her getting 4 million more votes than Bernie. I don't see the connected dots and the term "rigged" -- which means cheating, or take an action to win when one wouldn't win before, doesn't apply.

Second, if Trump and his campaign conspired, which is seeming more and more obvious, with Russia for Trump to win the election, that's a hostile foreign power, acting in the hostile power's interest to undermine their adversary, the United States. Thus, Trump would be essentially a Russian tool and would have been acting to undermine the United States.

The two cases are not analogous.
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Only in the mind of an avid Clinton supporter. As I stated before, in a meeting between Bill, Hillary and Obama prior to the 2012 election it was decided Clinton would be the Democrat's 2016 nominee. Heck, she had 13 pledged super delegates prior to the the year turning 2013 and over 300 prior to January 2015. The fix was in long before with her money she decided to fund (bought perhaps) the DNC. Yes, rigged fits.

Obama made 'secret deal to support Hillary Clinton's 2016 run in exchange for Bill's support during re-election campaign' | Daily Mail Online

Without secret deals, cash flowing in to the DNC, rigging the primaries in Clinton's favor. Without Hillary as your nominee you would have had a Democrat in the White House today. In my mind, Hillary was about the only candidate, the only Democrat that could have lost to Trump and you guys did all you could to make sure she was the nominee.
 
Perotista said:
Only in the mind of an avid Clinton supporter. As I stated before, in a meeting between Bill, Hillary and Obama prior to the 2012 election it was decided Clinton would be the Democrat's 2016 nominee. Heck, she had 13 pledged super delegates prior to the the year turning 2013 and over 300 prior to January 2015. The fix was in long before with her money she decided to fund (bought perhaps) the DNC. Yes, rigged fits.

Obama made 'secret deal to support Hillary Clinton's 2016 run in exchange for Bill's support during re-election campaign' | Daily Mail Online

Without secret deals, cash flowing in to the DNC, rigging the primaries in Clinton's favor. Without Hillary as your nominee you would have had a Democrat in the White House today. In my mind, Hillary was about the only candidate, the only Democrat that could have lost to Trump and you guys did all you could to make sure she was the nominee.
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Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

:agree: They misjudged, and in politics that's usually lethal! I don't think that anyone was more shocked at seeing the results as they were broadcast all evening than Hillary herself, though. THAT had to be the worst downer anyone could have imagined happening, but there it was for everyone in the world to see! :sinking:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

:agree: They misjudged, and in politics that's usually lethal! I don't think that anyone was more shocked at seeing the results as they were broadcast all evening than Hillary herself, though. THAT had to be the worst downer anyone could have imagined happening, but there it was for everyone in the world to see! :sinking:
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Morning Pol, heck, I was shocked. I went to bed early on election eve having resigned myself to Hillary Clinton being president. I even predicted that. It isn't, at least in my view, that Trump won. It's more like Hillary giving the election away. Very few Clinton supporters will look at how inept she ran her campaign and how unenthusiastic her campaign was.

Such is life.
 
Perotista said:
Do we? The problem is the two major parties don't represent America as a whole anymore. From FDR when Pew Research and Gallup first started keeping track of party affiliation and identification, between 75-80% of all Americans identified or affiliated themselves with the two major parties. Having them choose the candidates made sense. Beginning with Reagan the two major parties started to lose membership, they began shrinking. They have continued shrinking until today only around 55% of all Americans identify or affiliate themselves with the two major parties. Neither party represents those in the middle, the center, center right, center left. Independents now make up 44% of the electorate. The biggest block or group of voters with no political home as the two parties have moved further and further left and right. With most states having closed primaries, most of that 44% have no say whom the two major parties nominate.

They now vote against the party/candidates they're mad at, not necessarily for whom they want to win. Last year if CNN exit polls are to be believed half, 50% of all those who voted for Trump were anti-Clinton voters. Not for Trump, not that they wanted him to win, they just wanted Clinton to lose. 39% of all of Hillary's votes was anti-Trump, same principle. Then 6% voted third party against both.

Yeah, it is bound to get worst.
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They represent those who hold the wealth of the society and those who are trying to drive the society to Utopia.... those trying to engineer a better human and those who are ****ing us over by stealing all of the wealth we have.....the evil alliance.

For way way too long we were fine with this, but we need to stop, we need to be better but we dont seem interested. If we did we would most of us be bitching that Washington does not work for America, instead of investing in petty partisan diversions we would insist upon quality work, and if we did not get it we would keep swapping out the players until they got the message.

But even now, even P.T. as the vast decline of America can no longer be ignored, we dont get much of that.

It's time for America to decide to be better.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
They represent those who hold the wealth of the society and those who are trying to drive the society to Utopia.... those trying to engineer a better human and those who are ****ing us over by stealing all of the wealth we have.....the evil alliance.

For way way too long we were fine with this, but we need to stop, we need to be better but we dont seem interested. If we did we would most of us be bitching that Washington does not work for America, instead of investing in petty partisan diversions we would insist upon quality work, and if we did not get it we would keep swapping out the players until they got the message.

But even now, even P.T. as the vast decline of America can no longer be ignored, we dont get much of that.

It's time for America to decide to be better.
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There is an old adage that states we get the government we deserve. It's true that we let our elected officials run all over us and play to the moneyed elite. Both parties owe their heart and souls to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, mega money donors, special interests, that's where they get their money to run. They talk like the moneyed elite is scum, but do so with a wink and a nudge that tells them not to worry. We'll take care of you, just keep those donations coming. Since both major parties only represent the moneyed folks, maybe it is time for a third party. A viable third party which takes interest in the people. Who agenda is that of the people instead of a far right or left ideology.

Our problem is when we can make a difference, we don't.
 
A President who is ignorant of the way the government of his country functions. Oh boy!
 
Tanngrisnir said:
When the president says he wants control of the Justice Department and FBI so he can investigate political opponents, we’re on verge of becoming China.

You get what you vote for, suckers.
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It was bad enough during the campaign when he promised to 'lock up' his opponent. This is taking it up a notch.
 
Perotista said:
There is an old adage that states we get the government we deserve. It's true that we let our elected officials run all over us and play to the moneyed elite. Both parties owe their heart and souls to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, mega money donors, special interests, that's where they get their money to run. They talk like the moneyed elite is scum, but do so with a wink and a nudge that tells them not to worry. We'll take care of you, just keep those donations coming. Since both major parties only represent the moneyed folks, maybe it is time for a third party. A viable third party which takes interest in the people. Who agenda is that of the people instead of a far right or left ideology.

Our problem is when we can make a difference, we don't.
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Sure and lots of people understand how they are bought and sold with money, but that is only part of it, far less understood is that they are also fully on board Victim Culture, both parties, in their minds because they are trying to balance out their corruption with "good works" so that they sleep better.

But see we the people get ignored and run over as they pursue these "good works" just as we do because the wealthy have bought Washington.

JSYK the wealthy are fine with the BUS DRIVERS TO UTOPIA, they think that they will get blind obedience in UTOPIA.

Makes it all the more easy for them to commit their crimes.

 
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These comments from Trump revealing his frustration at not being all powerful are simply one more piece of evidence that he is basically an unabashed and unapologetic authoritarian at heart and if given half the chance will move closer to that in reality .
 
Perotista said:
There is an old adage that states we get the government we deserve.
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Well - lets change that to a minority gets the government they deserve. The rest of us get screwed over in the process and the world gets to worry that this just might be the day.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Sure and lots of people understand how they are bought and sold with money, but that is only part of it, far less understood is that they are also fully on board Victim Culture, both parties, in their minds because they are trying to balance out their corruption with "good works" so that they sleep better.

But see we the people get ignored and run over as they pursue these "good works" just as we do because the wealthy have bought Washington.

JSYK the wealthy are fine with the BUS DRIVERS TO UTOPIA, they think that they will get blind obedience in UTOPIA.

Makes it all the more easy for them to commit their crimes.

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Yes. Once the people become totally reliant on government, those in power have nothing to worry about. One doesn't bite the hand that feeds them. People have forgotten how to care for themselves. How to take responsibility for themselves and their families.
 
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