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Trump want to take the Opioid Opana off the market

Bucky said:
Of course he is to blame. It was him and his people who plotted it.
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Wait, what? You're claiming that Obama and "his people" "plotted" to addict people to opiates?
 
NIMBY said:
trumpeople only care about personality politics and politicizing misery, and could give a **** about 20 dead Veterans by suicide every day ...
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Well you can tell Trump care a whole bunch, because he didn't even know Opana was off the market since June. He's right on top of things.
 
TurtleDude said:
both sides do that NIMBY and I try to call em as I see em and blaming Obama for this is idiotic. its like Blaming W for 9-11 when that plot had been brewing and being planned long before he was sworn in
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It's true that (9-11) was brewing for along time before Bush. That's why we need to rethink our energy needs and sources. Whether we like it or not we secure our energy utilizing our military as a corporate externality. If we had that done in America by a foreign country , we wouldn't stand for it either. This is not a justification for violence by anyone side, it's a reason to be considered.
 
Bucky said:
Obama was a drug user himself using cocaine in his youth. He was even in a gang whose main activity was to use drugs.
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Well Buckey, I don't know one way or the other if that is a factual statement. Truth is I don't think it matters. I've done a few things in my youth that I don't want others to know about. "He who is without sin, let he cast the first stone." Like George W. Bush who had problems with alcohol in his younger days but has had no use for it for decades, so to did Barrack ,Me also and I would assume you as well.
 
Rich123 said:
Well Buckey, I don't know one way or the other if that is a factual statement. Truth is I don't think it matters. I've done a few things in my youth that I don't want others to know about. "He who is without sin, let he cast the first stone." Like George W. Bush who had problems with alcohol in his younger days but has had no use for it for decades, so to did Barrack ,Me also and I would assume you as well.
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Personally never touched the stuff. Things like cocaine do not appeal to me.
 
Desert Storm said:
No, it only took off when people learned how to inject and snort oxycontin, which was the last 10 to 15 years or so
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Have you noticed the price of lifesaving Narcan explode under trump ?
 
Bucky said:
Personally never touched the stuff. Things like cocaine do not appeal to me
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Smart!!

Back in the 1990's I worked as a nightclub tarbender for a manager who was a serious cokehead.
You didnt wanna be around him when he didnt have his fix. Total asshole!

He made well over $100K a year, and yet he was almost always broke. Dead end street IMO
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The medical system is a wreck, and yes I am coming around to the conclusion that it spawned this opiod crisis...that this is a part of the cost of negligence of the medical system, that it is not all negligence from the failure of the political system, and negligence from the failure of the justice system.

The justice system failed here because those who know about the justice system know where its limits are, and they should have been talking.

LOUDLY
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Yes and to incarcerate people for having an addiction makes no social sense. The cost of incarceration would be better spent for treatment. Treatment doesn't cure everyone, but at least it doesn't criminalize a whole class of our society. The cost of criminalizing it doesn't end when a person is release from prison. Parole officers, job retraining and the loss of productivity during and after incarceration are all components of the cost of criminalizing an addiction . Drugs are a means of escape. What are the reasons why people want to escape. Many start as recreational but many start because of a hopeless life. We as a society have to ask ourselves is it better to have (For Profit Prisons) or invest in our fellow humans. I have found in my own personal life that it is better to avoid a bad situation than to try to find a remedy once I'm in it. It's not a hugely profound thought . But then why are most of our efforts as a society geared towards correcting a problem. It should be geared towards avoiding it. What are your thoughts?
 
Desert Storm said:
Impeach him!! How dare he save those dirty drug addicts!!
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The majority of those dirty drug addicts you refer to are trump voters.

It'd be nice to see what stock trump has in Big Pharma, since he's the ultimate insider trader, as we see with that 'skinny' Montana construction company ...
 
Rich123 said:
Yes and to incarcerate people for having an addiction makes no social sense. The cost of incarceration would be better spent for treatment. Treatment doesn't cure everyone, but at least it doesn't criminalize a whole class of our society. The cost of criminalizing it doesn't end when a person is release from prison. Parole officers, job retraining and the loss of productivity during and after incarceration are all components of the cost of criminalizing an addiction . Drugs are a means of escape. What are the reasons why people want to escape. Many start as recreational but many start because of a hopeless life. We as a society have to ask ourselves is it better to have (For Profit Prisons) or invest in our fellow humans. I have found in my own personal life that it is better to avoid a bad situation than to try to find a remedy once I'm in it. It's not a hugely profound thought . But then why are most of our efforts as a society geared towards correcting a problem. It should be geared towards avoiding it. What are your thoughts?
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I say the same thing re victims generally, I dont want to take care of victims and hammer abusers, I want to avoid having victims and abusers all together.

This makes me a freak.

Re what to do about drugs I dont know..... drugs have always been good to me and I am sorry that I gave them up for 25 years, but we are spiritually broken now and we increasingly dont have jobs to keep us occupied and this civilization is ending.....I dont see how encouraging drug use works in that environment. Also we are increasingly poor and drug treatment is expensive, "everyone get hooked if you want, if you want off we will pay to help get you off" is not sustainable. We cant afford to lock everyone up, nor has that plan worked after a generation of trying. We have tried hard to scare people away from drugs but the elite lie so often that they have no credibility anymore so that has not worked and can not work.

I am taking ideas.
 
Greenbeard said:
Medicaid and every single private fully insured product sold in the United States all now have to cover substance abuse treatment thanks to Obama.
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Expensive treatment that does not have a history of working very well.

I am holding out for a better idea.
 
Desert Storm said:
No, it only took off when people learned how to inject and snort oxycontin, which was the last 10 to 15 years or so
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I had no idea they injected and snorted the stuff. You learn something new everyday.

This subject is pretty painful to even discuss due to the loss of a brother and a sis in law due to opiods. My brother always had a problem with drugs. He was getting high on pot when he was 14/15. Then came popping pills and drinking heavy. He would clean himself up for a time and during those times he was an absolute joy to be around. But then he would fall right back into it and was not a nice person to be around. Families who deal with addicts go through Hell.

You know I am wondering if this explosion of opiod use can in some ways be the result of so many out patient surgeries and procedures that once landed a person in the hospital for several days and now gets the procedure done in a couple of hours and is sent home with a month'supply of opiods to manage the pain. Where as when you stayed in the hospital, the pain medication was given through an IV and the patient was weened off the drugs before leaving the hospital and then prescribed something like Tylenol 3 for pain management. It is not uncommon for people having to wait up to a month to see the surgeon for a followup visit. It didn't use to take that long.

There must be a huge number of people being prescribed opiods. Is there not anything else that can be used in pain management that isn't addictive?

You know a new commercial for a pharmaceutical company is a new pill to deal with opiod induced constipation. For a pharmaceutical company to come up with a new pill, they must see a good market for it.
 
Rich123 said:
Problem is The F.D.A. took Opana off the market in June 2017. This president first said he was calling the opioid crisis a (National Emergency) this pass August which has certain and specific implications especially when it comes to funding.
Today he downgraded the terminology a (Public Health Emergency) which causes the funding to cease. However Trump wants Americans to do pretty much what Nancy Reagan told us to do,(Just say no). Plus he will take the opioid Opana off the market. That's nice, but it's not on the market. F.D.A. took it off the market in June 2017.:lol::lol:
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64,000 people died last year from opioid addiction. This needs to be a national emergency and a priority for the administration in my opinion.
 
vesper said:
I had no idea they injected and snorted the stuff. You learn something new everyday
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From what I've heard and seen in documentaries, injecting oxycontin is like 10X better than heroin.

But wait, its gets worse, now we have Fentanyl which supposedly is 100X a better high than heroin.

So now you can see how addictive all this stuff is. Its scary!!
 
Bucky said:
The opioid crisis exploded under Obama's watch. I see it in my city, Seattle which has the highest property crime rate in the United States. This is directly related to the lax drug laws and the flow of opioids and other illegal drugs.

Obama should be ashamed of himself.
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Yeah, Limbaugh got addicted "under Obama".

You need to study this issue a little more. Actually, a lot more.
 
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