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Why are Trumpians so desperate to paint distaste for Trump's sick behavior as partisan?

Hawkeye10 said:
Gen Kelly is responsible for what he does, not Trump, no mind control device has been invented yet so far as I know.
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No argument here about that point. But please keep in mind that General Kelly is a Gold Star Father. He recounted the day he was informed about his son's death. His grief had to be revisited during that description. All Trump had to do was tell the truth and General Kelly would have been spared that. But even if the congress women version was inaccurate and the families version honestly wasn't what Trump remembered, do reasonable people call folks in grief,liars? Wouldn't a real diplomat simply call the family again and say I am sorry if my words fell short to give you comfort in your time of grief. Please know I am truly sorry for your loss. Is that really too much to ask from our president? This is not about being Partisan as some have suggested, this is our president. Is it partisan to expect him not to lie? To at least know how to make a bad situation better as I just demonstrated? Is that really Partisan ? Or is it partisan to give him a walk for not knowing how to deal with a simple situation like this, and to call others who expect better from their president, a partisan? I ask you in all humility, who is the partisan?
 
Rich123 said:
No argument here about that point. But please keep in mind that General Kelly is a Gold Star Father. He recounted the day he was informed about his son's death. His grief had to be revisited during that description. All Trump had to do was tell the truth and General Kelly would have been spared that. But even if the congress women version was inaccurate and the families version honestly wasn't what Trump remembered, do reasonable people call folks in grief,liars? Wouldn't a real diplomat simply call the family again and say I am sorry if my words fell short to give you comfort in your time of grief. Please know I am truly sorry for your loss. Is that really too much to ask from our president? This is not about being Partisan as some have suggested, this is our president. Is it partisan to expect him not to lie? To at least know how to make a bad situation better as I just demonstrated? Is that really Partisan ? Or is it partisan to give him a walk for not knowing how to deal with a simple situation like this, and to call others who expect better from their president, a partisan? I ask you in all humility, who is the partisan?
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If you have a problem with Trump then take your grievance to the right place, the ones who picked him, the American People.

If you can convince them that this is a bad idea and dont do it again then more power to you.

THAT's the remedy available to you for us not following your will.
 
eohrnberger said:
No, you don't 'get it'.

Seems you are completely blind to any part in this that the left end of the political spectrum has in all this.

I'm no 'Trumpian', I only give him a 5 or 6 out of 10 for moving the political agenda that got him elected forward, and would like to see him stop making the same stupid mistakes over and over again.

All that being said, politicizing a condolence call to the family of a fallen service member on a taken out of context fragment of the conversation is truly despicable, yet nothing from you on this in the least.

At least have the honesty that the left has also behaved abhorrently.
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First of all ,I would like you to re read my post. I never said that the statement that the congress women accused Trump of saying was bad. It wasn't in my honest opinion. I said perhaps it wasn't as sensitive as some might like but it wasn't a bad statement. Given what General Kelly told Trump to say, "He knew what he was getting into by joining the 1%." I would have to say that comes up side by side to " He knew what he was signing up for, but I guess it hurts anyway." But even if Trump didn't say that, when your dealing with grieving people, do you or any reasonable person argue with them over what was said? Wouldn't it be better to simply call the family again and say, I am sorry that my words fell short towards comforting you in your time of grief, that was not my intention. Please accept my sympathies for your great loss. That would have been the Diplomatic thing to do. But Trump isn't a diplomat. Sort of what we might want and expect from a president. By making that call and saying something similar to what I just said then, general Kelly would not have felt compelled to defend his president during general Kelly's own time of grief and thus general Kelly would have been spared the spectacle of this shameful event. Is it really to much to expect our president to know how to handle a simple situation like that?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If you have a problem with Trump then take your grievance to the right place, the ones who picked him, the American People.

If you can convince them that this is a bad idea and dont do it again then more power to you.

THAT's the remedy available to you for us not following your will.
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My problem is wanting a president to be presidential. I don't care if he is republican,democrat,independent or A LITTLE GREEN MAN FROM SPACE. I just want a president that doesn't call another leader,"Little Rocket Man". I want a leader who doesn't fight with grieving families. And don't want people on the right to spin this like it's a left wing conspiracy to expect higher things from the person who occupies the highest office in the country. Why don't those who spin that lie expect the same thing from their president? You should. This is your country. Calling a leader "Little Rocket man" is provocative, not diplomatic. It's juvenile, not presidential. It's another yard of pavement on the road to nuclear destruction. I guess it's real partisan of me not to want nuclear destruction. This is a time for all Americans to step up an be adults. It's dangerous times we live in.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Probably because, as usual, people on your side of the argument paraphrase, misquote, misrepresent, and take things said out of context to assert all sorts of evil intentions on the President.

People who voted for Mr. Trump, and this includes myself, knew what we were getting and prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than assume the worst of every action he takes or every statement he makes.

We recognize he is not now, nor ever has been, a "polished politician" well practiced in political double-talk and non-speak.

For example, I provided the video of Mr. Kelly's press conference in another thread, and I present it again for your review.

Here is what Mr. Kelly stated, which you can find starting at 6.20 in the video:





How does that equate to "He knew what he signed up for but I guess it hurts anyway."? :roll:

In any case, even granting you Mr. Trump may have stated exactly what he was "accused" of saying, how was this action hurtful, insulting, or in any way intentionally offensive?

It is this kind of automatic, knee-jerk, viscerally hateful negative spin on every action he takes that further entrenches support.

Does that answer your question? :coffeepap:
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So then, I saw Kelly say the empty canon or gun or whatever...all hat and no cattle according to WH bull, stood up...went through some sort of contortion patting herself on the back and then sat down...end of story...upon viewing her actual speech, which I saw in it's entirety, he apparently made a false statement...but that's what he said...she rose, she spoke and then she sat...and a bunch were whatever the **** he exclaimed because of that...that what?

There's no there there so when Sarah Sanders was questioned about it she made it to be at another time that wasn't filmed...would that have been before or after the Congresswoman got a standing ovation?

How can you possibly defend such crap?

Kelly got the worst of the deal...he lost what may have mattered most, his credibility and dignity...something Trump couldn't possibly understand since he doesn't have a clue as to their meanings...nor does he give a damn...if he cares so little about his Chief of Staff, what makes you think he gives a damn about you?

:popcorn2:
 
AYSM said:
So then, I saw Kelly say the empty canon or gun or whatever...all hat and no cattle according to WH bull, stood up...went through some sort of contortion patting herself on the back and then sat down...end of story...upon viewing her actual speech, which I saw in it's entirety, he apparently made a false statement...but that's what he said...she rose, she spoke and then she sat...and a bunch were whatever the **** he exclaimed because of that...that what?

There's no there there so when Sarah Sanders was questioned about it she made it to be at another time that wasn't filmed...would that have been before or after the Congresswoman got a standing ovation?

How can you possibly defend such crap?

Kelly got the worst of the deal...he lost what may have mattered most, his credibility and dignity...something Trump couldn't possibly understand since he doesn't have a clue as to their meanings...nor does he give a damn...if he cares so little about his Chief of Staff, what makes you think he gives a damn about you?

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It certainly appears that these two are tight, the opposite of your narrative.

You might wish to reconsider.
 
"Why are Trumpians so desperate to paint distaste for Trump's sick behavior as partisan?"

Probably because it is partisan like virtually everything else on this site.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Probably because, as usual, people on your side of the argument paraphrase, misquote, misrepresent, and take things said out of context to assert all sorts of evil intentions on the President.

People who voted for Mr. Trump, and this includes myself, knew what we were getting and prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than assume the worst of every action he takes or every statement he makes.

We recognize he is not now, nor ever has been, a "polished politician" well practiced in political double-talk and non-speak.

For example, I provided the video of Mr. Kelly's press conference in another thread, and I present it again for your review.

Here is what Mr. Kelly stated, which you can find starting at 6.20 in the video:





How does that equate to "He knew what he signed up for but I guess it hurts anyway."? :roll:

In any case, even granting you Mr. Trump may have stated exactly what he was "accused" of saying, how was this action hurtful, insulting, or in any way intentionally offensive?

It is this kind of automatic, knee-jerk, viscerally hateful negative spin on every action he takes that further entrenches support.

Does that answer your question? :coffeepap:
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I really put Trump's original statement to the mother, regardless of which version is actually true, in the "rookie-mistake" category and just wish Trump had caught and corrected himself if the mother was upset. What bothers me about this is the apparent need of Trump to keep pouring gas on what should have been a dying ember via twitter and his hired hands having to rephrase, deny, or spin his actions. Donny does himself no favors. He helps his opponents by making everything into a $hitstorm.

Originally I thought that these episodes might be deliberate attempts at distraction (which could be seen as smart politics) but now I think Trump simply can't help it.
 
Aristaeus said:
You don't get it. His supporters fall into 3 different camps regarding his lying:
They don't care.
They welcome it because it annoys liberals.
They believe his lies even if it means rejecting logic and denying visible facts.

If you're hoping that they will see him for what he is, it isn't going to happen. Trump said he could shoot someone in public and not lose support, and he was right.
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I'm better at paraphrasing then quoting but I think he said," I could shoot someone on fifth avenue and my supporters would still vote for me."
Shows his utter contempt for the average persons ability to be independent. He really thought that his base was so mindless. Guess he was right.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It certainly appears that these two are tight, the opposite of your narrative.

You might wish to reconsider.
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AYSM got it right. Nothing to reconsider. Fool Donald J Trump is still arguing with a Gold star family . Look , you don't fight with grieving people, it's just being a decent human being to not fight with grieving people. Even if you are 100% correct. How hard would it have been for Trump to issue a statement saying to the family of Sergeant La David Johnson, (I deeply regret that my words fell short towards giving you some comfort in what has to be a very sad and emotionally difficult time for all of you. Please know my heart felt sympathies are with you all.) That's what a human bring does. That's call decency and diplomacy. Something which we as Americans must expect from a person who occupies the highest office in our country. He took a bad situation, which could have been made better by a statement as simple as what I just wrote and turned it into a total mess for him and general Kelly and even Sarah H. Sanders . If he can't handle a simple diplomatic situation like this, do you really want him dealing would foes who may or do have nuclear weapons? My goodness, what is wrong with you TRumpians?
 
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