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What is really behind the hatred of the President?

AlbqOwl

AlbqOwl

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I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?
 
AlbqOwl said:
I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?
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Hillary lost. Along with Hillary, the left lost. 70 years of marching toward the goal of total government control gone in 3 hours. That's gotta hurt.

Without anything else, the only focal point must be Trump.
 
Poor Don, he's such a snowflake, like many of his syncophants. Don generated all kinds of hate before he ever got into the political arena based upon the lies of birtherism and accusing Ted Cruz's father of involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Anyone who realizes Don is full of **** hates him? Nah, he's just a whiney little bitch. Like you.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?
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Hillary Clinton embodied the self-entitled victim-blaming obtuse liar who hates America. For liberals its a critical wound. Rarely has someone epitomized the depravity of liberalism like Hillary and she lost. Liberals who want to destroy the foundation of this country lost their champion. They lost their chance to erode the cornerstone of world freedom and democracy and they may never have a chance to openly embrace someone as evil as she again. They aren't a movement. They're a group of cultists.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Poor Don, he's such a snowflake, like many of his syncophants. Don generated all kinds of hate before he ever got into the political arena based upon the lies of birtherism and accusing Tad Cruz's father of involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Anyone who realizes Don is full of **** hates him? Nah, he's just a whiney little bitch. Like you.
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Yep. Good illustration of the kind of angry, hateful, petty, mindless tripe we are getting re the President and anybody who defends him in anything these days.

Now, do you have anything to add to the discussion?
 
It's because we're exhausted from the never ending onslaught of outright stupidity, ignorance on the issues and unbelievably childish behavior from Donald. The guy can't go 5 minutes without shooting himself in the dick politically and proving to everyone he's not equipped for the job he was elected for. Trump is burning bridges with our allies and enemies alike and making it embarrassing to be an American. This is not normal partisan politics. I didn't agree with either of the Bush's or Reagan, but they were at least rational adults that attempted to look out what's best for Americans and in that regard I respected them as our duly elected leaders.

I think that if after 18 months of daily shenanigans from Trump you're still completely baffled as to why most Americans loathe him, we should be worried about you and your observational abilities. Trump is completely unpalatable to anyone but his most feverish supporters and the real Americans are sick of it. This is NOT normal.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Yep. Good illustration of the kind of angry, hateful, petty, mindless tripe we are getting re the President and anybody who defends him in anything these days.

Now, do you have anything to add to the discussion?
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Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn Don is what he is; people are free to make their own assessments. He can't control that, yet.
 
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reinoe said:
Hillary Clinton embodied the self-entitled victim-blaming obtuse liar who hates America. For liberals its a critical wound. Rarely has someone epitomized the depravity of liberalism like Hillary and she lost. Liberals who want to destroy the foundation of this country lost their champion. They lost their chance to erode the cornerstone of world freedom and democracy and they may never have a chance to openly embrace someone as evil as she again. They aren't a movement. They're a group of cultists.
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She's a corporatist, just like Don, your donor class always has it covered "either" way, you always wind up with a white house populated by Goldman Sachs, same as it ever was.
 
This is another example of the tried and true Conservative tactic of 'never defend, always attack'!!

Trump has insulted every group except his rabid nationalist base, he's called people names, called POW's losers, made fun of people's looks, mocked the handicapped, lied daily, and pissed of some of our Allies. I can go on, but the list is too long.

But none of that matters, the question is: Why don't people like Trump and why is he being criticized?? lol Don't acknowledge that many of Trump's problems and criticisms against him are of his own doing. Nope, lets exclusively blame the people who criticize him!!

Ok, my answer: I have no idea.. All of his classlessness, insults and lies don't matter. The guy's a peach and a wonderful human being.;)
 
reinoe said:
Hillary Clinton embodied the self-entitled victim-blaming obtuse liar who hates America. For liberals its a critical wound. Rarely has someone epitomized the depravity of liberalism like Hillary and she lost. Liberals who want to destroy the foundation of this country lost their champion. They lost their chance to erode the cornerstone of world freedom and democracy and they may never have a chance to openly embrace someone as evil as she again. They aren't a movement. They're a group of cultists.
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I get it that the left were bitterly disappoint when Trump won. I felt the same way when Obama won the second time. In the first term, I gave him the full benefit of the doubt until he proved he didn't deserve my support. And then I was so hopeful we would get Romney who I didn't like all that much but who I still believe would have started turning things around and would have done some good things for the country. So I was bitterly disappointed when Obama won re-election after giving us so many reasons that he shouldn't be re-elected. I understand the disappointment. But I have tried hard never to criticize President Obama for anything he didn't actually do. I have defended President Obama when I thought people on the right were being hatefully cruel and/or accused him of something he didn't deserve.

And for the left, Trump wasn't supposed to happen. The pollsters had assured them it wasn't going to happen. It was Hillary's turn. Many didn't like her all that much but at least she was one of THEM. And it was taken away from her. And them. I appreciate that.

But I don't understand people who would rather see the country fail than to help President Trump get anything done. Who target him for some of the most hateful and dishonest attacks I have EVER seen launched against a person.

I do not understand that kind of hatred.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn Don is what he is; people are free to make their own assessments. He can't control that, yet.
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I know what all the dishonest sound bites say about him. We have had those thrown in our face for most of a year now. But putting things in full context and as they actually are, what has he specifically done to deserve the unbridled anger, disrespect, and pure hatred that the left and even some on the right demonstrate toward this man?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
This is another example of the tried and true Conservative tactic of 'never defend, always attack'!!

Trump has insulted every group except his rabid nationalist base, he's called people names, called POW's losers, made fun of people's looks, mocked the handicapped, lied daily, and pissed of some of our Allies. I can go on, but the list is too long.

But none of that matters, the question is: Why don't people like Trump and why is he being criticized?? lol Don't acknowledge that many of Trump's problems and criticisms against him are of his own doing. Nope, lets exclusively blame the people who criticize him!!

Ok, my answer: I have no idea.. All of his classlessness, insults and lies don't matter. The guy's a peach and a wonderful human being.;)
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Can you name something he has said or done--no spin please but put it exactly as he said or did it in full context--that deserves a response of such unbridled anger, disrespect, hatred?
 
AlbqOwl said:
I know what all the dishonest sound bites say about him. We have had those thrown in our face for most of a year now. But putting things in full context and as they actually are, what has he specifically done to deserve the unbridled anger, disrespect, and pure hatred that the left and even some on the right demonstrate toward this man?
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Republicans hated him too before he won the nomination and they had to embrace him or lose to Hillary. It's like you've had memory loss and totally forgotten how much opposition he got from Republicans. There's no fake news or dishonesty required to despise Trump. Just listen to what he says and the ideas he presents. It may make you jump with glee but most Americans just get a sick feeling in their stomaches when they hear him talk. All politicians lie, but Donald Trump thinks it's a contest.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
It's because we're exhausted from the never ending onslaught of outright stupidity, ignorance on the issues and unbelievably childish behavior from Donald. The guy can't go 5 minutes without shooting himself in the dick politically and proving to everyone he's not equipped for the job he was elected for. Trump is burning bridges with our allies and enemies alike and making it embarrassing to be an American. This is not normal partisan politics. I didn't agree with either of the Bush's or Reagan, but they were at least rational adults that attempted to look out what's best for Americans and in that regard I respected them as our duly elected leaders.

I think that if after 18 months of daily shenanigans from Trump you're still completely baffled as to why most Americans loathe him, we should be worried about you and your observational abilities. Trump is completely unpalatable to anyone but his most feverish supporters and the real Americans are sick of it. This is NOT normal.
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Would you please provide an example of his behavior that deserves such anger, such venom, such disrespect, such hatred? Please put that example in its exact full context and not the spin that the left has put on it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Republicans hated him too before he won the nomination and they had to embrace him or lose to Hillary. It's like you've had memory loss and totally forgotten how much opposition he got from Republicans. There's no fake news or dishonesty required to despise Trump. Just listen to what he says and the ideas he presents. It may make you jump with glee but most Americans just get a sick feeling in their stomaches when they hear him talk. All politicians lie, but Donald Trump thinks it's a contest.
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Still waiting for an honest example without any leftist spin.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I know what all the dishonest sound bites say about him. We have had those thrown in our face for most of a year now. But putting things in full context and as they actually are, what has he specifically done to deserve the unbridled anger, disrespect, and pure hatred that the left and even some on the right demonstrate toward this man?
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Yes, yes, it's all "fake" isn't it snowflake.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Poor Don, he's such a snowflake, like many of his syncophants. Don generated all kinds of hate before he ever got into the political arena based upon the lies of birtherism and accusing Ted Cruz's father of involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Anyone who realizes Don is full of **** hates him? Nah, he's just a whiney little bitch. Like you.
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Nothing to do with Don. Social media, media in general, agenda driven bloggers, the anonymity of internet...all have emboldened the haters. It is easy to hate someone from behind the screen. We don't see others as human beings but easy targets.
Accuse Don of whatever you want, he is a human being, as are we all. How can anyone here pretend to be empathetic human, a sjw, a champion of the poor, the minorities, the forgotten, without having enough decency to treat one another with some common courtesy and respect?
No, this goes far deeper than the Trump presidency. I might be wrong, but Clinton got his share and it escalated from there.
I am not making excuses for either side, because both sides fail basic human decency. What worries me is the pure hatred, the falsehoods, the lies, the sarcasm ( I am just as guilty), it doesn't do anyone any good.
Every one is so quick to accuse but so slow to come up with solutions. Hillary wasn't a solution, she would have gotten as bad of a lashing as Don. We need to come together and work together instead of hating on each other for our opinions, our color, our religion, we have to stop using race as an excuse, we have to stop finding fault with everything.
This hateful gotcha has to stop.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Can you name something he has said or done--no spin please but put it exactly as he said or did it in full context--that deserves a response of such unbridled anger, disrespect, hatred?
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Have you been awake the past 12 months?

I listed some things. I'm sure that list, nor anything else I point out will be enough for you. Your wording that I have to 'exactly' tell you what he's said in the 'exact' context is a dead give away.. In other words no matter what I say you will twist it and play word games so you can attack the people criticizing him. Everything bad said about him will be seen by you are 'spin. Stop wasting everyone's time.

I'm not going to sit here and play word games with you..

Have a nice day.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Would you please provide an example of his behavior that deserves such anger, such venom, such disrespect, such hatred? Please put that example in its exact full context and not the spin that the left has put on it.
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AlbqOwl said:
Still waiting for an honest example without any leftist spin.
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If after 18 months of literally hundreds of scandals from stupid **** that comes out of his mouth one after the other, if you still don't think there are any you're not going to change any time soon. You live in a bubble and you dismiss the opinions of the majority of Americans as brainwashing from fake news media. As a supporter of his you are very much in the minority.

Lovebug said:
Nothing to do with Don. Social media, media in general, agenda driven bloggers, the anonymity of internet...all have emboldened the haters. It is easy to hate someone from behind the screen. We don't see others as human beings but easy targets.
Accuse Don of whatever you want, he is a human being, as are we all. How can anyone here pretend to be empathetic human, a sjw, a champion of the poor, the minorities, the forgotten, without having enough decency to treat one another with some common courtesy and respect?
No, this goes far deeper than the Trump presidency. I might be wrong, but Clinton got his share and it escalated from there.
I am not making excuses for either side, because both sides fail basic human decency. What worries me is the pure hatred, the falsehoods, the lies, the sarcasm ( I am just as guilty), it doesn't do anyone any good.
Every one is so quick to accuse but so slow to come up with solutions. Hillary wasn't a solution, she would have gotten as bad of a lashing as Don. We need to come together and work together instead of hating on each other for our opinions, our color, our religion, we have to stop using race as an excuse, we have to stop finding fault with everything.
This hateful gotcha has to stop.
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If you're against hating on people for their opinions, color, and religion, against using race as an excuse, against hateful gotchas, pro-civility, and for being an empathetic human being, you should understand why Trump is receive an unprecedented level of disdain from the American people. Most Americans do hold those values, he doesn't.
 
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Lovebug said:
Nothing to do with Don. Social media, media in general, agenda driven bloggers, the anonymity of internet...all have emboldened the haters. It is easy to hate someone from behind the screen. We don't see others as human beings but easy targets.
Accuse Don of whatever you want, he is a human being, as are we all. How can anyone here pretend to be empathetic human, a sjw, a champion of the poor, the minorities, the forgotten, without having enough decency to treat one another with some common courtesy and respect?
No, this goes far deeper than the Trump presidency. I might be wrong, but Clinton got his share and it escalated from there.
I am not making excuses for either side, because both sides fail basic human decency. What worries me is the pure hatred, the falsehoods, the lies, the sarcasm ( I am just as guilty), it doesn't do anyone any good.
Every one is so quick to accuse but so slow to come up with solutions. Hillary wasn't a solution, she would have gotten as bad of a lashing as Don. We need to come together and work together instead of hating on each other for our opinions, our color, our religion, we have to stop using race as an excuse, we have to stop finding fault with everything.
This hateful gotcha has to stop.
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Nope, that's your society, we just need to blame technology so we don't have to deal with that fact. And by the way, Hilary was a corporatist just like Don, that's all your system will allow you to "choose" from.

"Social media, media in general, agenda driven bloggers, the anonymity of internet...all have emboldened the haters. It is easy to hate someone from behind the screen. We don't see others as human beings but easy targets."

She got her share of that as well you'll note. Neither should have ever been near the presidency. But you get what your donor class allows.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Yes, yes, it's all "fake" isn't it snowflake.
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Okay. Thanks for coming but you obviously cannot give a single example--in context and without leftist spin--of why the President deserves all the venom, disrespect, and hatred. Do have a pleasant day, but I won't respond to any more of your posts until you do give such an example.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Okay. Thanks for coming but you obviously cannot give a single example--in context and without leftist spin--of why the President deserves all the venom, disrespect, and hatred. Do have a pleasant day, but I won't respond to any more of your posts until you do give such an example.
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Have you been awake the past 12 months?

I listed some things. I'm sure that list, nor anything else I point out will be enough for you. Your wording that I have to 'exactly' tell you what he's said in the 'exact' context is a dead give away.. In other words no matter what I say you will twist it and play word games so you can attack the people criticizing him. Everything bad said about him will be seen by you are 'spin. Stop wasting everyone's time.

I'm not going to sit here and play word games with you..

Have a nice day.
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Not at all. You can either give an example in honest context of why the President deserves such disrespect and hatred, or you can't. It is not an unreasonable request. It is telling though when you attack me because I am asking people to back up that disrespect and hatred with something real instead of just the assigned smears and talking points.
 
Lovebug said:
Nothing to do with Don. Social media, media in general, agenda driven bloggers, the anonymity of internet...all have emboldened the haters. It is easy to hate someone from behind the screen. We don't see others as human beings but easy targets.
Accuse Don of whatever you want, he is a human being, as are we all. How can anyone here pretend to be empathetic human, a sjw, a champion of the poor, the minorities, the forgotten, without having enough decency to treat one another with some common courtesy and respect?
No, this goes far deeper than the Trump presidency. I might be wrong, but Clinton got his share and it escalated from there.
I am not making excuses for either side, because both sides fail basic human decency. What worries me is the pure hatred, the falsehoods, the lies, the sarcasm ( I am just as guilty), it doesn't do anyone any good.
Every one is so quick to accuse but so slow to come up with solutions. Hillary wasn't a solution, she would have gotten as bad of a lashing as Don. We need to come together and work together instead of hating on each other for our opinions, our color, our religion, we have to stop using race as an excuse, we have to stop finding fault with everything.
This hateful gotcha has to stop.
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Thank you. I doubt we are exactly on the same side of the issue, but thank you for a respectful and thoughtful post. Really rare these days so it is especially appreciated. :)

Yes, Bill Clinton got a lot of undeserved hateful stuff thrown at him. That was wrong.
George W. Bush got unmerciful and undeserved hateful stuff thrown at him. That was wrong.
Barack Obama got a lot of undeserved and stupid ugly stuff thrown at him. That was wrong.

But why has all that been doubled downed with President Trump? I have lived a long life and seen a whole lot of Presidents come and go, and there are ugly politics associated with all, but I have NEVER seen anything like the unbridled and dishonest smears, disrespect, and pure hatred directed at President Trump.

Why him? What has he honestly done that deserves that?
 
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