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What is really behind the hatred of the President?

FreedomFromAll said:
Oh no the sky is falling.

I agree that the far left is a problem that we should be proactive about, but it isnt everyone that is left of you.
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No...it isn't everyone but it's also not an insignificant number. At least not small enough to call fringe when literally any place you go in the country if anyone to the right of Mao and Lenin has a speaking event they need riot police to stop a mob from attacking them.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Poor Don, he's such a snowflake, like many of his syncophants. Don generated all kinds of hate before he ever got into the political arena based upon the lies of birtherism and accusing Ted Cruz's father of involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Anyone who realizes Don is full of **** hates him? Nah, he's just a whiney little bitch. Like you.
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I'm surprised you were able to post after this. I guess a moderator never saw this, and nobody reported it.
 
Fishking said:
No...it isn't everyone but it's also not an insignificant number. At least not small enough to call fringe when literally any place you go in the country if anyone to the right of Mao and Lenin has a speaking event they need riot police to stop a mob from attacking them.
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You are over inflating it by a long shot, just like liberals over inflate the far right.
 
joG said:
Though his supporters are odd, you might want to direct your wrath against those ranting against him instead of discussing policy. This has probably done the country more damage domestically and internationally than Trump has himself.
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Well it's a little like having a drunk guy flying the airplane you're on. Yes, you are going to be upset at the people who would be crazy enough to put someone like that behind the pilot's chair. And there is really no point discussing piloting skills now with someone sitting there who is drunk out of their gourd.
 
Geoist said:
Please continue blaming the opposition while supporting the manchild occupying the WH who gets into spats with gold star families.
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Actually he doesnt. He has got into spats with democrat politicians seeking to politicise gold star families.
 
holbritter said:
Like I said, you wouldn't believe him if he did. I'm not defending what he did, but when shown that it's not necessarily what you thought, an open mind would at least consider the alternative. Have a good day.
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If Trump actually addressed things like an adult, I would feel A LOT differently about him. His inability to handle the slightest of issues like a sane, rational person says a lot about my character. It's not that I blindly hate Trump. I don't think his character. He admitted to grabbing women, so why would I think he is above mocking a person with a handicap? He speaks for himself. Not his supporters, and some dupe with a Youtube subscription. If Trump handled anything with class and like an adult, I would actually feel different.
 
Nap said:
So because the video is presented by his supporters then it is automatically false? How does video of Trump using the same mannerisms to mock people who suffer from no disability have nothing to do with Trump? Your entire post is devoid of any logic.

I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination, I am simply able to look at the evidence provided and make an objective review of the incident. Give me a logical and evidence based reason why this is not the case and I will agree, presenting one clip without any context to how Trump responds in similar cases is not a valid rebuttal.
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I already said from the beginning, it doesn't matter what Trump supporters have to say or believe. What matters is how Trump addresses it, and he as never made any apology that I know of. It did offend other people with disabilities, and Trump doesn't seem to give a crap about that. His silence is disgusting. I would prefer having a president who would go out of his way to demonstrate actual respect for the disabled.
 
SheWolf said:
I already said from the beginning, it doesn't matter what Trump supporters have to say or believe. What matters is how Trump addresses it, and he as never made any apology that I know of. It did offend other people with disabilities, and Trump doesn't seem to give a crap about that. His silence is disgusting. I would prefer having a president who would go out of his way to demonstrate actual respect for the disabled.
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Trump denied those were his intentions. Explained what had happened and that he was not making fun of the reporter's disability, video evidence provides clear context that his motions were his typical gesture when someone is flustered and not about the reporter's disability. Why is this still an issue for some? It is completely irrational.
 
Nap said:
Trump denied those were his intentions. Explained what had happened and that he was not making fun of the reporter's disability, video evidence provides clear context that his motions were his typical gesture when someone is flustered and not about the reporter's disability. Why is this still an issue for some? It is completely irrational.
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Then post Trumps reaction
 
jimbo said:
Hillary lost. Along with Hillary, the left lost. 70 years of marching toward the goal of total government control gone in 3 hours. That's gotta hurt.

Without anything else, the only focal point must be Trump.
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A man who fights with grieving widows and Gold Star Families, and you think it's about some unreasonable hatred. I don't hate Donald J. Trump, I pity him. He is very ill. The psychiatric community has spoken out under their {Duty to Warn} ethic, that Donald J. Trump is seriously ill and he presents a (clear and present danger) to America. Of course you wouldn't know about that because Fox only gives you the news they want you to hear. So for you to ask a question that is so rediculous doesn't supprise me. Your the one who just doesn't get it. Take the blinders off. Allow yourself the freedom of objective thinking. It's one thing to be fooled once. That's shame on him. But to be fooled twice, three times. Well that's just sad. But worse, your blindness is putting everyone in peril.
 
reinoe said:
Hillary Clinton embodied the self-entitled victim-blaming obtuse liar who hates America. For liberals its a critical wound. Rarely has someone epitomized the depravity of liberalism like Hillary and she lost. Liberals who want to destroy the foundation of this country lost their champion. They lost their chance to erode the cornerstone of world freedom and democracy and they may never have a chance to openly embrace someone as evil as she again. They aren't a movement. They're a group of cultists.
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While Hillary did lose, let us remind ourselves that she got more votes than Trump. So, the narrative that her views were rejected by America is total B.S. Moreover, where do you get the psychotic idea that she 'hates America' and "liberals who want to destroy the foundation of this country?' She is a person that devoted her entire life to benefiting the Average American. Yet, the real champion of the working class, in your eyes, is the guy that hasn't ever done anything in his life that wasn't self-serving -- even at the expense of the many, many people that he cheated. You and most Trump supports should thank us liberals for your health insurance, worker protections, safety protections, and Social Security and Medicare that you will get in old age.

The big lie is that you tag yourself as a centrist and the thread is about hating Trump but all I read is hatred of Hillary and liberals.
 
Geoist said:
Please continue blaming the opposition while supporting the manchild occupying the WH who gets into spats with gold star families.
ObamacareFail said:
Actually he doesnt. He has got into spats with democrat politicians seeking to politicise gold star families.
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You are not entitled to your own set of facts.

President Trump accused Myeshia Johnson, the widow of fallen soldier Sgt. La David Johnson, of lying Monday morning after she said Trump couldn’t remember her husband’s name and said her husband “knew what he signed up for.”

“I had a very respectful conversation with the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson, and spoke his name from beginning, without hesitation!” Trump tweeted Monday morning.
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But I don't understand people who would rather see the country fail than to help President Trump get anything done. Who target him for some of the most hateful and dishonest attacks I have EVER seen launched against a person.

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I am ready to agree with you if you can show me who and how people want to see our country fail. With regard to the "hateful and dishonest attacks", I have been paying fairly close attention to mainstream media and would very much like to see what you think are either hateful or dishonest.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I know what all the dishonest sound bites say about him.

What dishonest sound bites, from mainstream media, are you referring to and why do you think they are dishonest. Just one or two examples will be good.
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You know why there is all this hatred for Trump? Its trump is all Trump, thats why people hate Trump, because Trump is Trump and he is just a whining very poor debater.
 
MTAtech said:
While Hillary did lose, let us remind ourselves that she got more votes than Trump. So, the narrative that her views were rejected by America is total B.S. Moreover, where do you get the psychotic idea that she 'hates America' and "liberals who want to destroy the foundation of this country?' She is a person that devoted her entire life to benefiting the Average American. Yet, the real champion of the working class, in your eyes, is the guy that hasn't ever done anything in his life that wasn't self-serving -- even at the expense of the many, many people that he cheated. You and most Trump supports should thank us liberals for your health insurance, worker protections, safety protections, and Social Security and Medicare that you will get in old age.

The big lie is that you tag yourself as a centrist and the thread is about hating Trump but all I read is hatred of Hillary and liberals.
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The "resistance" movement is utterly ridiculous and worthy of contempt. Hillary was all talk when it came to helping average Americans and she never did a damn thing to actually make it happen unless it was politically convenient to do so. That's why liberals are so ridiculous. The rally around her and worship her even though she's been an utter failure in every government policy she touched. Trump is a deeply flawed person but he didn't attack average Americans during the campaign, he didn't cheat to win, and at least he takes a stance on things that are not always politically expedient to do.

Liberals and their worshipful praising of Hillary is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life.
 
reinoe said:
The "resistance" movement is utterly ridiculous and worthy of contempt. Hillary was all talk when it came to helping average Americans and she never did a damn thing to actually make it happen unless it was politically convenient to do so. That's why liberals are so ridiculous. The rally around her and worship her even though she's been an utter failure in every government policy she touched. Trump is a deeply flawed person but he didn't attack average Americans during the campaign, he didn't cheat to win, and at least he takes a stance on things that are not always politically expedient to do.

Liberals and their worshipful praising of Hillary is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life.
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Hillary was all talk, while Trump promised "terrific" healthcare, then as Pres proceeded to throw millions off insurance; cut Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and cut taxes on millionaires and billionaires.

The reality is that when Democrats are in control, they pass policies that help the middle class and the poor, while when Republicans are in control, they move to slash taxes for the rich and cut programs for everyone else.

I find it ironic, that you stated, "The rally around her and worship her even though she's been an utter failure in every government policy she touched," when that's Trump supporters m.o., while he has had no legislative successes in his term at all.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Actually he doesnt. He has got into spats with democrat politicians seeking to politicise gold star families.
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He implied the widow was a liar on Twitter. An upstanding president would have not made a public spectacle of it and apologized to her.
 
MTAtech said:
Hillary was all talk, while Trump promised "terrific" healthcare, then as Pres proceeded to throw millions off insurance; cut Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and cut taxes on millionaires and billionaires.

The reality is that when Democrats are in control, they pass policies that help the middle class and the poor, while when Republicans are in control, they move to slash taxes for the rich and cut programs for everyone else.

I find it ironic, that you stated, "The rally around her and worship her even though she's been an utter failure in every government policy she touched," when that's Trump supporters m.o., while he has had no legislative successes in his term at all.
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This just in: Donald Trump is not part of the legislature. Find out more on the 11 o'clock news! But don't watch CNN, they're fake news.
 
reinoe said:
This just in: Donald Trump is not part of the legislature. Find out more on the 11 o'clock news! But don't watch CNN, they're fake news.
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I didn't say otherwise. What you are laughably arguing is that since this president isn't in the legislature, he's just a bystander regarding legislation -- and not responsible at all for his own party not passing anything significant, even though they have a majority in Congress and control the White House.

We have to remember that Trump campaigned on bold plans, such as repealing and replacing Obamacare with "something terrific," stopping exporting jobs overseas, etc. Well, his attempt at health insurance was a tax-cut on the rich disguised as a health plan, that threw 24 million people off insurance and raised prices to unaffordable levels, just to appease rich GOP donors who wanted the ACA taxes reversed. His plan on jobs was to undo decades of environmental regulations, under the misconception that such regulations are what's really hampering coal jobs, when it's really heavy mechanization and fracking. His tax-plan he calls a "middle class tax-cut" but showers 80% of the cuts on the wealthy under the smoke and mirrors that cutting corporate taxes will increase wages -- an assertion experts sneer at.

What I find hypocritical is that you and others pawn off this bystander narrative when your side criticized Obama, when he had a Congress entirely hostile to anything he proposed.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?
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Two main reasons:

1. Hillary was annointed president by the liberal left and they are incensed that the electorate didn't feel the same way, especially when Hillary won the popular vote.

2. Hillary lost to a person who was all of the things you mentioned and that she lost to the worst nominee the country has ever had. Can't get any more embarrassing than that.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I see it. I recognize it.
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But only because your partisan blinders, level of education and integrity does not allow you to see reality.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?
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actually you do not. if you did you would not ask such an utterly moronic question.

Do all those people really believe Hillary
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Recognizing what Trump is, has nothing to do with Hillary.

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary
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Contrary to what? The alternate reality that is fed to the idiots who defend him no matter what?

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?
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Of course it is. Intelligent and honest people have it all the time.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I know what all the dishonest sound bites say about him. We have had those thrown in our face for most of a year now. But putting things in full context and as they actually are, what has he specifically done to deserve the unbridled anger, disrespect, and pure hatred that the left and even some on the right demonstrate toward this man?
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He has earned it, the old fashioned way.
 
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