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I dislike liberal arrogance

Captain America said:
Hey, it worked for Trump. Why not? LOL!
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Trump pandered to the uneducated on the right, Hillary pandered to the uneducated on the left. And, she won the popular vote by about 3 million. So, she was more successful at pandering to the uneducated than Trump was.
 
Moderate Right said:
Trump pandered to the uneducated on the right, Hillary pandered to the uneducated on the left. And, she won the popular vote by about 3 million. So, she was more successful at pandering to the uneducated than Trump was.
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Either that or she had more uneducated people to pander to. LOL!
 
This is why I am apprehensive about calling myself "liberal," traditionally liberalism has been on the opposite end of the spectrum to authoritarianism, but the latter has creeped back into mainstream political ideology by disguising itself as "liberal," which only seems to exist in some places of Europe. Now days, progressivism and liberalism has been usurped by the other side of the coin to overall ideological extremism, which has resulted in an upward trend regarding the unipolar geopolitics of the modern age. I was a tangential Sanders supporter during the election, but even Sanders has been usurped by Statist ideology. This is because the so-called "liberals" are really Third Way big business representatives and agents of internationalist Wall Street mercantilism, which feeds the ideology of what I call the "fear machine," which comes to mind from a thread I recently participated in in which the issue of 6 mega-corporations dominating American media. Sanders idea of "political revolution" would have been more successful if it wasn't so transparently left-wing and branded, bringing up the issue that even Sanders so-called 'democratic socialism' was tied heavily into the Americanism expressed by both Trump and Clinton. This is because there is a fundamental disconnect between mercantilism and humanity in general. The monetary-political system is inherently dehumanizing because it divides people into categories and statistics based on income and said statistics and categories relationship to the mercantilist system at large. We are no longer human beings under this system, we are consumers.
 
CriticalThought said:
This is one area I can agree with the populist right wing about and for which I hope against hope that the leftist and progressive movements can do some soul searching about in the coming months. The reason so many independent voters who fall in the working poor and middle class are fed up with liberals is the elitism and PC culture that has permeated the movement. Liberals used to calmly embrace the nuance and ambiguity of complex sociopolitical issues like race, religion, and civil rights but now many seem as dogmatic as the religious right and intolerant of views that do not perfectly coincide with their own. They are now often the people who sue bakers who won't make a cake for a gay wedding when they can just use another baker or call someone a "racist" because they support law enforcement over violent protesters.
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You mean those down-on-their-luck rural whites who are troubled to learn that all those liberals who warned them that they would be hurt by Trump policies were right, but still support Mr. Trump, because they believe that liberal elites look down on them and think they’re stupid? Hmm.
 
CriticalThought said:
This is one area I can agree with the populist right wing about and for which I hope against hope that the leftist and progressive movements can do some soul searching about in the coming months. The reason so many independent voters who fall in the working poor and middle class are fed up with liberals is the elitism and PC culture that has permeated the movement. Liberals used to calmly embrace the nuance and ambiguity of complex sociopolitical issues like race, religion, and civil rights but now many seem as dogmatic as the religious right and intolerant of views that do not perfectly coincide with their own. They are now often the people who sue bakers who won't make a cake for a gay wedding when they can just use another baker or call someone a "racist" because they support law enforcement over violent protesters.
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I don't really see what your complaint has to do with uniquely liberal arrogance.
 
Hmm. Deplorables who live in the fly over states?

Now, why would anyone take offense at being called that? :roll:

Frankly, anyone who would believe that no one would take offense at that is rather uneducated about the vast majority of this country and its people.
 
eohrnberger said:
Deplorables.
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Jesus for people who supported a campaign at least partially built on the idea that Liberals are too gosh darned sensitive snowflakes, the fact that so many are still hung up on the deplorable thing is pretty hilariously ironic.
 
Personally, elitism needs a bit of a comeback.

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MTAtech said:
You mean those down-on-their-luck rural whites who are troubled to learn that all those liberals who warned them that they would be hurt by Trump policies were right, but still support Mr. Trump, because they believe that liberal elites look down on them and think they’re stupid? Hmm.
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No. You reduced a well argued post down to your own partisan Trump hate. The OP was about elitism on the left, not Trump. If you are looking to bash him, you can probably find a thread of two where you can do that.
 
TheGoverness said:
I totally agree with that. There are many of those type of people on the Left, that are pretty dogmatic about their "progressive" views. And then you have all those incidents of conservative speakers at colleges being shut down because what they are saying happens to offend some overly-sensitive liberals.

And then you have ANTIFA and the violence they try to incite, and how they try to inconvenience others by blocking entrances to buildings, or even protesting in the middle of the road.
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The university, while technically some microcosm of American society, is really distinct from it. A problem is that too many people are taking its symbols too seriously.

Both the Left and the Right are predisposed to thinking that intellectual discourse is a one-way street. Left-wingers take to the streets, to rally for the cause....or something. Right wingers cry foul a bit too loudly about being exposed to predominantly Left-wing analysis and believe, too, that these campus revolts truly mean something outside the university, which they don't.

Would you honestly believe a Left-winger would purposefully read Burke, Kirk, or whomever if not for some professor, somewhere, maybe making them read it? I doubt it. Would you believe a conservative would spend some time reading Marx or Foucault if not for a professor? I doubt it.

As far as the speakers are concerned, it is a pitiful sight that liberals feel the need to have safe spaces and counseling available for whoever is coming to present a conservative viewpoint. Likewise, conservatives do themselves a disservice if they think provocateurs like Milo or Coulter are worth watching or seriously defending. Charles Murray, is certainly worthwhile even if controversial. Those are the speakers worth spending energy on.

How addressing the Antifa issue becomes a pillar of contemporary conservative thought is easily understandable, but just as silly as those on the campuses who think that what they are doing actually matters.

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Northern Light said:
The language is important because if we don't distinguish then it makes it look like the entire political spectrum is going crazy, when really it's a loud minority. Ben Shapiro's talks at Berkeley were a good example. There were both liberals and conservatives who paid to see him talk and to have reasonable discourse, even if they disagreed with him. Then you had leftists trashing the city and calling him an alt-right white nationalist nazi as the basis for their violence, none of which is even factual.

Then you have the rightists who show up at protests displaying their guns and talking as though they are about to go to war with the left, how liberals have taken over the country, and promoting violent action. The guy who mowed down protestors in his car was a rightist.

Most politically active Americans are playing by the rule book and we should remember that, even as the bought media is trying to convince us that everyone has lost their minds. People confuse the two when they call every day conservatives "alt-right" for questioning the leftists, or when liberals get called leftists for questioning the quality of nazi speech. We are all noticing the darkness that is entering the political system!
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Well they started it :-o

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Fletch said:
No. You reduced a well argued post down to your own partisan Trump hate. The OP was about elitism on the left, not Trump. If you are looking to bash him, you can probably find a thread of two where you can do that.
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Ok, let me address this meme of "liberal elitism" head on. Conservatives want to cut taxes for the rich; reduce regulations, such as environmental, safety and labor regulations; slash the social safety net that financially protects the poor and middle-class, all for what? Did I say cut taxes for the rich?

Liberals want to provide for the poor and middle-class, so they can be productive, live in dignity and have healthy lives. Rich liberals don't mind paying higher taxes for the good of the country.

So, it's liberals that represent the interests of the elites? Some truly live in a fantasy.
 
MTAtech said:
Ok, let me address this meme of "liberal elitism" head on. Conservatives want to cut taxes for the rich; reduce regulations, such as environmental, safety and labor regulations; slash the social safety net that financially protects the poor and middle-class, all for what? Did I say cut taxes for the rich?

Liberals want to provide for the poor and middle-class, so they can be productive, live in dignity and have healthy lives. Rich liberals don't mind paying higher taxes for the good of the country.

So, it's liberals that represent the interests of the elites? Some truly live in a fantasy.
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You have listed policy differences. What is being discussed is elitism and arrogance.
 
MTAtech said:
Ok, let me address this meme of "liberal elitism" head on. Conservatives want to cut taxes for the rich; reduce regulations, such as environmental, safety and labor regulations; slash the social safety net that financially protects the poor and middle-class, all for what? Did I say cut taxes for the rich?

Liberals want to provide for the poor and middle-class, so they can be productive, live in dignity and have healthy lives. Rich liberals don't mind paying higher taxes for the good of the country.

So, it's liberals that represent the interests of the elites? Some truly live in a fantasy.
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That post is a great example of Liberal arrogance !
The fact that Liberals feel its their duty to " provide " for anyone else but themselves and their families just about says it all

The reality is their objectives which are rooted in authortarianism wind up hurting the poor and Middle class most of all.

For example, the ACA's premium and deductible hikes have slammed Middle class families who do not qualify or barely qualify for susubsidies.

Obama's EPA edicts if implemented would have driven up energy cost which impacts the poor more than anyone else.
 
Fenton said:
That post is a great example of Liberal arrogance !
The fact that Liberals feel its their duty to " provide " for anyone else but themselves and their families just about says it all

The reality is their objectives which are rooted in authortarianism wind up hurting the poor and Middle class most of all.

For example, the ACA's premium and deductible hikes have slammed Middle class families who do not qualify or barely qualify for susubsidies.

Obama's EPA edicts if implemented would have driven up energy cost which impacts the poor more than anyone else.
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I am only going to address the last one because I'm heading out to lunch.

That's what the right has been saying since Obama was inaugurated. In that time, his administration increased environmental regulations and energy prices feel.
 
MTAtech said:
I am only going to address the last one because I'm heading out to lunch.

That's what the right has been saying since Obama was inaugurated. In that time, his administration increased environmental regulations and energy prices feel.
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I was speaking more towards his Clean Power iniative. Bon Appetit !
 
Fletch said:
You have listed policy differences. What is being discussed is elitism and arrogance.
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When the right's policy goals are incongruent with their rhetoric, condescension is justified. You confuse condescension for arrogance.
 
Absentglare said:
When the right's policy goals are incongruent with their rhetoric, condescension is justified. You confuse condescension for arrogance.
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E.g., Opioid addiction is a national crisis, but let’s gut the hell out of the two programs that supply the most funding toward treatment.


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CriticalThought said:
This is one area I can agree with the populist right wing about and for which I hope against hope that the leftist and progressive movements can do some soul searching about in the coming months. The reason so many independent voters who fall in the working poor and middle class are fed up with liberals is the elitism and PC culture that has permeated the movement. Liberals used to calmly embrace the nuance and ambiguity of complex sociopolitical issues like race, religion, and civil rights but now many seem as dogmatic as the religious right and intolerant of views that do not perfectly coincide with their own. They are now often the people who sue bakers who won't make a cake for a gay wedding when they can just use another baker or call someone a "racist" because they support law enforcement over violent protesters.
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The truth is that liberal once meant open minded, tolerant, and allowing people to be who and what they are. But in modern day America, 'liberalism' now too often embodies the worst kinds of close mindedness, intolerance, and requiring people to accept and conform to their demands--be politically correct--or else. And the scary thing is, they cannot recognize this in themselves.
 
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