Trump Nixing Obama-era Regulations as Wildfires Rage Is a Crime Against Humanity

Media_Truth · Oct 15, 2017

Trump continues to deny climate change in the wake of a number of disasters that seem to be "more than weather". There is no question that longer, drier summers in the West lead to greater chances of wildfires.

Trump Nixes Obama-era Regulations as Wildfires Rage in California | Observer
Let’s start with some basic facts and expert analysis. While it is difficult—though no longer impossible—to attribute individual weather events to climate change, the scientific community has unambiguously and repeatedly warned that climate change leads to drier conditions and droughts in the West, the recipe for massive wildfires, and to stronger, more powerful hurricanes in the Atlantic and Caribbean.
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And yet the Trump administration continues to double down on efforts to undermine climate action day by day.

rocket88 · Oct 15, 2017

Media_Truth said:
Trump continues to deny climate change in the wake of a number of disasters that seem to be "more than weather". There is no question that longer, drier summers in the West lead to greater chances of wildfires.

Trump Nixes Obama-era Regulations as Wildfires Rage in California | Observer
Let’s start with some basic facts and expert analysis. While it is difficult—though no longer impossible—to attribute individual weather events to climate change, the scientific community has unambiguously and repeatedly warned that climate change leads to drier conditions and droughts in the West, the recipe for massive wildfires, and to stronger, more powerful hurricanes in the Atlantic and Caribbean.
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And yet the Trump administration continues to double down on efforts to undermine climate action day by day.

Trump just wants to be the anti-Obama. Someone should tell him Obama breathed oxygen.

jamesrage · Oct 15, 2017

Media_Truth said:
Trump continues to deny climate change in the wake of a number of disasters that seem to be "more than weather". There is no question that longer, drier summers in the West lead to greater chances of wildfires.

Trump Nixes Obama-era Regulations as Wildfires Rage in California | Observer
Let’s start with some basic facts and expert analysis. While it is difficult—though no longer impossible—to attribute individual weather events to climate change, the scientific community has unambiguously and repeatedly warned that climate change leads to drier conditions and droughts in the West, the recipe for massive wildfires, and to stronger, more powerful hurricanes in the Atlantic and Caribbean.
...
And yet the Trump administration continues to double down on efforts to undermine climate action day by day.

Those wild fires have nothing to do with man made global warming fairy tale that lib tards like to spew. California is in a wild fire prone area, it so wild fire prone that the plants have adapted to it. Many of the seeds of the plants in those areas have heat resistant seeds that stay dormant until a fire happens.Many of the plants there have fire resistant roots, Some species of Ceanothus have flammable resins that aid it fires.The giant sequoias have a thick fibrous bark of two to four feet that protect it fires. The knobcone pine, Bishop pine,lodgepole pine and Sargent cypress also have seed cones that require fire to open them. The only way California is going to curb those wild fires is to clear the brush, fallen tree branches and tall grass that are near communities. Maybe even do some controlled burns so that the wild fires that occur are not as intense.

Redress · Oct 15, 2017

jamesrage said:
Those wild fires have nothing to do with man made global warming fairy tale that lib tards like to spew. California is in a wild fire prone area, it so wild fire prone that the plants have adapted to it. Many of the seeds of the plants in those areas have heat resistant seeds that stay dormant until a fire happens.Many of the plants there have fire resistant roots, Some species of Ceanothus have flammable resins that aid it fires.The giant sequoias have a thick fibrous bark of two to four feet that protect it fires. The knobcone pine, Bishop pine,lodgepole pine and Sargent cypress also have seed cones that require fire to open them. The only way California is going to curb those wild fires is to clear the brush, fallen tree branches and tall grass that are near communities. Maybe even do some controlled burns so that the wild fires that occur are not as intense.

Whether climate change had any effect on the wildfires currently raging in California is impossible to say. Your denial is just as wrong as some one claiming they are. Nothing you said in any way counters the possibility that climate change is effecting California wildfires. And there is a major, large, unsubtle difference between saying wildfires are part of the growth process(it is), and saying that climate change might be impacting the number and size of wildfires.

Oh, and:

jamesrage · Oct 15, 2017

Redress said:
Whether climate change had any effect on the wildfires currently raging in California is impossible to say.

Because of the evolution of those plants we can say for sure that wild fires will occur practically every year and that it has been going on for millions of years,maybe even billions of years of wild fires in the same area year after year wild fire season after wild fire season. Wild fires occur in that area the same way rain occur in many areas. Just like rain some years may have flooding,some years its just moderate while other years may have drought.

And there is a major, large, unsubtle difference between saying wildfires are part of the growth process(it is), and saying that climate change might be impacting the number and size of wildfires.

Judging by the op and op article they not giving the impression of "might be". Instead they are making it seem "it is".

Oh, and:

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I see you are still posting that meme made by some libtard probably living in his or her mother's basement. The person who made that meme is probably some pathetic loser with nothing else better to do than photoshop some pictures because they don't like being called out for what he or she is. It wouldn't surprise if that loser just took a picture of themselves and photoshopped all that **** in.

RetiredUSN · Oct 15, 2017

Human encroachment can be a real bitch some times.

HowardBThiname · Oct 15, 2017

Media_Truth said:
Trump continues to deny climate change in the wake of a number of disasters that seem to be "more than weather". There is no question that longer, drier summers in the West lead to greater chances of wildfires.

Trump Nixes Obama-era Regulations as Wildfires Rage in California | Observer
Let’s start with some basic facts and expert analysis. While it is difficult—though no longer impossible—to attribute individual weather events to climate change, the scientific community has unambiguously and repeatedly warned that climate change leads to drier conditions and droughts in the West, the recipe for massive wildfires, and to stronger, more powerful hurricanes in the Atlantic and Caribbean.
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And yet the Trump administration continues to double down on efforts to undermine climate action day by day.

Oh for gawdsake! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Wildfires on a much bigger scale have been around since the pioneers first trekked across this nation. Native Americans were smarter than today's eco-freaks because they understood that by clearing out underbrush, fires were less likely to rage out of control.

The California fires, however, have been aided not only by underbrush but also by poor building codes that packed houses right next to other houses, making it difficult to stop large fires from spreading.

Who in their right mind actually sees a link between Trump and the fires?

Fascinating.

Media_Truth · Oct 15, 2017

HowardBThiname said:
Oh for gawdsake! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Wildfires on a much bigger scale have been around since the pioneers first trekked across this nation. Native Americans were smarter than today's eco-freaks because they understood that by clearing out underbrush, fires were less likely to rage out of control.

The California fires, however, have been aided not only by underbrush but also by poor building codes that packed houses right next to other houses, making it difficult to stop large fires from spreading.

Who in their right mind actually sees a link between Trump and the fires?

Fascinating.

I live in the Mountain West. Average temperatures are up 1.2 deg F, since the 1950s. In effect, this extends the hot, dry season. This isn't to say that there is always a hot, dry season. This year, on the Colorado Front Range, we got an unusual amount of rain, while the West, got very little. The point is that the likeliness of an increase in the conditions which are conducive to wildfires, has increased. This likeliness may be small, as you seem to be saying, but nonetheless, it is a reality. The very harsh reality, is that it will get worse.

As for your claims that people are at fault, that may be the case in some areas, but overall, fire prevention education is at an all-time high in the Mountain West. This is evident, by the fact that there have actually been fewer wildfires in recent years. The problems are the wildfires that have ignited, are much more severe, than in the past.

HowardBThiname · Oct 16, 2017

Media_Truth said:
I live in the Mountain West. Average temperatures are up 1.2 deg F, since the 1950s. In effect, this extends the hot, dry season. This isn't to say that there is always a hot, dry season. This year, on the Colorado Front Range, we got an unusual amount of rain, while the West, got very little. The point is that the likeliness of an increase in the conditions which are conducive to wildfires, has increased. This likeliness may be small, as you seem to be saying, but nonetheless, it is a reality. The very harsh reality, is that it will get worse.

As for your claims that people are at fault, that may be the case in some areas, but overall, fire prevention education is at an all-time high in the Mountain West. This is evident, by the fact that there have actually been fewer wildfires in recent years. The problems are the wildfires that have ignited, are much more severe, than in the past.

Specific environmental practices are more at fault than "people," but you are right that wildfire awareness is at an all-time high. What I was saying is that the history of wildfires indicates that many, much, much larger fires, have taken place so this year's dry season, even when combined with recent years of dryness is not indicative of a man-made climate problem.

In the 1800s, massive fires that burned millions upon millions of acres were recorded, and there's no reason think they didn't occur for centuries before that without benefit of record.

There is simply no indication that the recent dry spell has anything to do with either climate change nor Donald Trump. It's false equivalencies like that that hurt true science.

There is, of course, a climate science, but it's relatively new and based on models, not data, which is why we keep seeing scientists disagree on the degree of the conclusion.

But, by no means is it intellectually acceptable to write a story as seen in the OP. That's just ludicrous.

Mason66 · Oct 16, 2017

Media_Truth said:
I live in the Mountain West. Average temperatures are up 1.2 deg F, since the 1950s. In effect, this extends the hot, dry season. This isn't to say that there is always a hot, dry season. This year, on the Colorado Front Range, we got an unusual amount of rain, while the West, got very little. The point is that the likeliness of an increase in the conditions which are conducive to wildfires, has increased. This likeliness may be small, as you seem to be saying, but nonetheless, it is a reality. The very harsh reality, is that it will get worse.

As for your claims that people are at fault, that may be the case in some areas, but overall, fire prevention education is at an all-time high in the Mountain West. This is evident, by the fact that there have actually been fewer wildfires in recent years. The problems are the wildfires that have ignited, are much more severe, than in the past.

With all that said, what regulation by Obama would have prevented the wildfires and what regulation did Trump get rid of that caused them?

Media_Truth · Oct 16, 2017

HowardBThiname said:
Specific environmental practices are more at fault than "people," but you are right that wildfire awareness is at an all-time high. What I was saying is that the history of wildfires indicates that many, much, much larger fires, have taken place so this year's dry season, even when combined with recent years of dryness is not indicative of a man-made climate problem.

In the 1800s, massive fires that burned millions upon millions of acres were recorded, and there's no reason think they didn't occur for centuries before that without benefit of record.

There is simply no indication that the recent dry spell has anything to do with either climate change nor Donald Trump. It's false equivalencies like that that hurt true science.

There is, of course, a climate science, but it's relatively new and based on models, not data, which is why we keep seeing scientists disagree on the degree of the conclusion.

But, by no means is it intellectually acceptable to write a story as seen in the OP. That's just ludicrous.

Climatologists are greater than 97% in agreement. This is a list of the authors and reviewers of the National Climate Assessment of 2014, which stated that the models have been extremely accurate, other than they underestimated the ice melt and ocean level rise:

The National Climate Assessment summarizes the impacts of climate change on the United States, now and in the future. A team of more than 300 experts guided by a 60-member Federal Advisory Committee produced the report, which was extensively reviewed by the public and experts, including federal agencies and a panel of the National Academy of Sciences.

HowardBThiname · Oct 17, 2017

Media_Truth said:
Climatologists are greater than 97% in agreement. This is a list of the authors and reviewers of the National Climate Assessment of 2014, which stated that the models have been extremely accurate, other than they underestimated the ice melt and ocean level rise:

The National Climate Assessment summarizes the impacts of climate change on the United States, now and in the future. A team of more than 300 experts guided by a 60-member Federal Advisory Committee produced the report, which was extensively reviewed by the public and experts, including federal agencies and a panel of the National Academy of Sciences.

That's a little bit misleading -- the 97% number.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexep...e-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#61116aad3f9f

Media_Truth · Oct 17, 2017

HowardBThiname said:
That's a little bit misleading -- the 97% number.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexep...e-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#61116aad3f9f

From your link:

If you look at the literature, the specific meaning of the 97% claim is: 97 percent of climate scientists agree that there is a global warming trend and that human beings are the main cause--that is, that we are over 50% responsible. The warming is a whopping 0.8 degrees over the past 150 years, a warming that has tapered off to essentially nothing in the last decade and a half.

After the bolded portion, everything is the author's opinion. The actual word used in the Climate Polls of scientists is "significant". That's a considerable greater statement than 50%. The other problem is that he has used the lowest ballpark temperature rise of anybody. Assuming he is talking Fahrenheit, which is an anomaly in itself, not to specify units, the nominal number is 1.2 deg F, in the last 50 years. If he is using Centigrade, the 0.8 is pretty close.

Also - notice the other disclaimer by Forbes:

Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.

I would suggest you find something a little more "scientific". I would recommend NOAA, IPCC are NASA>.

HowardBThiname · Oct 18, 2017

Media_Truth said:
From your link:

If you look at the literature, the specific meaning of the 97% claim is: 97 percent of climate scientists agree that there is a global warming trend and that human beings are the main cause--that is, that we are over 50% responsible. The warming is a whopping 0.8 degrees over the past 150 years, a warming that has tapered off to essentially nothing in the last decade and a half.

After the bolded portion, everything is the author's opinion. The actual word used in the Climate Polls of scientists is "significant". That's a considerable greater statement than 50%. The other problem is that he has used the lowest ballpark temperature rise of anybody. Assuming he is talking Fahrenheit, which is an anomaly in itself, not to specify units, the nominal number is 1.2 deg F, in the last 50 years. If he is using Centigrade, the 0.8 is pretty close.

Also - notice the other disclaimer by Forbes:

Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.

I would suggest you find something a little more "scientific". I would recommend NOAA, IPCC are NASA>.

The author is accurate. He states that when someone makes the 97% claim -- that's what they typically are trying to promote -- although, there is no direct correlation between that number and any definitive claim.

You tell me to check other places, but I gave you the explanation. If you'd like to show me exactly what the 97% believe, feel free. I don't think you'll be able to, however, because the number is being used ambiguously.

Media_Truth · Oct 23, 2017

HowardBThiname said:
The author is accurate. He states that when someone makes the 97% claim -- that's what they typically are trying to promote -- although, there is no direct correlation between that number and any definitive claim.

You tell me to check other places, but I gave you the explanation. If you'd like to show me exactly what the 97% believe, feel free. I don't think you'll be able to, however, because the number is being used ambiguously.

Actually, NO - the author said a lot more than his questioning of the 97%. He said a lot of LIEs and misguided information, as I pointed out, so why should one believe his other claim?

This video explains it best. The 97% claim is based on CLIMATOLOGISTS, not other sciences. Geologists have a lesser percentage. The video points out a hoax study, where large numbers of scientists deny AGW. The large number is true, but it counted any individual with a Bachelor of Science degree in the US (BTW, this would qualify myself). And then it points out that if you consider the incredibly large number of total Americans with BS degrees, it still comes out to about 2-3%.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmxzubbVw6jXA7Ak08StYug[/video]

fmw · Oct 23, 2017

A crime against humanity. Certainly no hyperbole here. Perhaps the OP doesn't understand that Trump is too old to work on the fire line.

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