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Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

Jim Webb was also my first choice. But when he failed to campaign, I think he knew the game was rigged for Clinton. I switched to John Kasich. Once it became clear it would be Trump vs. Clinton, Gary Johnson was my man.

I think Webb would have made an excellent president. Secretary of the Navy under Reagan and a Democratic senator from Virginia. He had a head on his shoulders, but Webb was more an old fashioned Democrat more in line with Joe Manchin today and other Democrats of yore. Perhaps more like Bill Clinton than Hillary was. None of this extreme far left stuff. It a shame that one has to be either extreme left or right to get a nomination of either party.

The Democratic Party wanted progressive and liberals as leaders.

Jim Webb simply did not have any backing amongst the Democratic Party leadership or base
 
Clinton has become perhaps the most endorsed political candidate in modern history by the time the very first debate started. Close to none of the elected Democrats hadn't endorsed her. Webb was simply a man from another era of Democratic politics.

Kasich was my last hope after Rubio fell. I made a concession with myself in being okay with Rubio, but my disposition was much closer to Bush and Kasich.

As soon as that fell through, I knew I would be voting for Clinton.

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I am pretty sure that Bush was right up there...
 
Clinton has become perhaps the most endorsed political candidate in modern history by the time the very first debate started. Close to none of the elected Democrats hadn't endorsed her. Webb was simply a man from another era of Democratic politics.

Kasich was my last hope after Rubio fell. I made a concession with myself in being okay with Rubio, but my disposition was much closer to Bush and Kasich.

As soon as that fell through, I knew I would be voting for Clinton.

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I couldn't. I voted for Johnson since I detested both Trump and Clinton. I wanted my voted registered as against both major party candidates. 538, Nate Silver's site used to have a listing of super delegates and the date they pledged their support to Hillary. She had 13 pledged to her prior to the year turning to 2013, over 300 prior to 2015, before she announced and Sanders decided to enter the fray. In the end only 46 super delegates out of 712 were pledged to Sanders. That alone backs up your endorsement statement.
 
The Democratic Party wanted progressive and liberals as leaders.

Jim Webb simply did not have any backing amongst the Democratic Party leadership or base

Webb was a more old fashioned Democrat. More in line with Bill Clinton in the 90's, sort of a conservative Democrat which there aren't any anymore. The Democratic Party has shrunk quite a lot, down from 44% of the total electorate to 30% today. They have lost all their moderates or those of us in the center, center right and center left to only the far left. Of course the GOP has the far right which leaves around 42-44% of all Americans in the middle between those two major parties without a political home. That seems to make both parties happy as they don't have to put up with those in the middle anymore. Both parties know they choose the nominees and have a monopoly in our two party system, who cares what middle America thinks or wants. They will take what we give them.
 
Webb was a more old fashioned Democrat. More in line with Bill Clinton in the 90's, sort of a conservative Democrat which there aren't any anymore. The Democratic Party has shrunk quite a lot, down from 44% of the total electorate to 30% today. They have lost all their moderates or those of us in the center, center right and center left to only the far left. Of course the GOP has the far right which leaves around 42-44% of all Americans in the middle between those two major parties without a political home. That seems to make both parties happy as they don't have to put up with those in the middle anymore. Both parties know they choose the nominees and have a monopoly in our two party system, who cares what middle America thinks or wants. They will take what we give them.

Except that the 42 to 44 % you speak of in neither party still votes for one or the other party at well over a 90 % rate.

Mod/Con DEMs are still around, as you know with me; as you know with the Con DEMs in the Senate; not so much in the House;

GOPs want no part of my plans to fix the Pension Problem, let alone DEMs. The ruling trifecta has no clue on Issues, such as desperately needed Infrastructure and Energy Grid.

The ruling gov't is MIA and AWOL on opioids and psychotropics, especially deleterious to Veterans with PTSD. While even the ultra conservative American Legion advocated this past August for trump to legalize medical weed for PTSD Veterans.

Every new day brings multiple crises with this '****ing moron'. This is without a doubt infinitely worse than Ryan impeaching Clinton had she won, which he would have, and then McConnell continuing to stall All action in the Senate while putting Clinton on trial, giving us a Constitutional Crisis. Goldwater would not like this.

Come visit the sports forums sometime. That's where I mostly hang out these days. Braves should be better next year ...
 
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Jim Webb was also my first choice. But when he failed to campaign, I think he knew the game was rigged for Clinton. I switched to John Kasich. Once it became clear it would be Trump vs. Clinton, Gary Johnson was my man.

I think Webb would have made an excellent president. Secretary of the Navy under Reagan and a Democratic senator from Virginia. He had a head on his shoulders, but Webb was more an old fashioned Democrat more in line with Joe Manchin today and other Democrats of yore. Perhaps more like Bill Clinton than Hillary was. None of this extreme far left stuff. It a shame that one has to be either extreme left or right to get a nomination of either party.
I started out lukewarm on Kasich but he really soured me by the end. How did you feel about him hanging on as long as he did. Did that upset you or did you like having him in the mix?

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Except that the 42 to 44 % you speak of in neither party still votes for one or the other party at well over a 90 % rate.

Mod/Con DEMs are still around, as you know with me; as you know with the Con DEMs in the Senate; not so much in the House;

GOPs want no part of my plans to fix the Pension Problem, let alone DEMs. The ruling trifecta has no clue on Issues, such as desperately needed Infrastructure and Energy Grid.

The ruling gov't is MIA and AWOL on opioids and psychotropics, especially deleterious to Veterans with PTSD. While even the ultra conservative American Legion advocated this past August for trump to legalize medical weed for PTSD Veterans.

Every new day brings multiple crises with this '****ing moron'. This is without a doubt infinitely worse than Ryan impeaching Clinton had she won, which he would have, and then McConnell continuing to stall All action in the Senate while putting Clinton on trial, giving us a Constitutional Crisis. Goldwater would not like this.

Come visit the sports forums sometime. That's where I mostly hang out these days. Braves should be better next year ...

They don't have a choice in most cases. On the presidential level last year 12% of independents voted third party. There were more than just two names on the ballot for that office. That 12% is roughly 23% of the 54% of independents who stated they disliked both major party candidates. When you get down to senate, representative, governor and the local races there usually isn't but two names on the ballot, the Republican and Democrat. Although the Libertarian Party does ran a candidate for the senate here in Georgia, but not for any other office.

For most independents it has become a case of holding one's nose and voting for the lesser of two evils, the least horrible candidate, not the candidate you want to win, but against the candidate you want to lose the most. We have to be realist here, the two major parties have a monopoly on our election system. They aren't about to let any third party become viable. They write our election laws and do so as a mutual protection act.

What independents do, is switch their votes from one party to the other and back again. Over the last eight years Republicans have received a low 39% of the independent vote to a high of 57%. Democrats on the other hand have received a low of 40% and a high of 57% from independents. They don't really have a choice but to vote for one of the two major party candidates even though they might hate both candidates and parties.

But what the above figures show is 40% of independents are going to vote Republican and 40% Democratic. Who the other 20% are going to vote for is anyone's guess. If we had a viable third party, would independents be voting Republican or Democratic in the same percentages, I highly doubt it. But as long as we are locked into the two party system, voters, independents don't have a choice. They will continue to go to the polls and vote against the candidate and party they hate the least.

According to YouGov nationally 37% of all Americans have a very or somewhat favorable view of the Democratic Party, among independents that very/somewhat falls to 19%. The Democratic Party isn't that well liked. The Republican Party is worst nationally, 29% of all Americans have a positive view of that party, but among independents and independents only, 19% view the GOP in a very or somewhat favorable view. Same as the Democratic Party. No love for either party among independents, hence if a viable third party was available which it is not, I do think they would be flocking to it.

Here, there is a wealth of information in the yougov poll. Questions 148 and 149 deal with political parties.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/zev5z2887d/econTabReport.pdf
 
I started out lukewarm on Kasich but he really soured me by the end. How did you feel about him hanging on as long as he did. Did that upset you or did you like having him in the mix?

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Being anti-Trump, it didn't bother me. I knew after the New Hampshire GOP primary Trump would be the nominee. I didn't pay the rest of the primaries much attention. I kept hoping for upsets, but they really didn't come. I kept rooting for Kasich and Sanders on the Democratic side only because I detested both Trump and Clinton. But I knew it was all over except for the final score.
 
I'm sorry. I don't respond to chopped up posts that destroy context, introduce straw man arguments that didn't exist before, and imply I am arguing something I did not argue. Thanks for understanding.

And what exactly did I take out of context? I did not change a single word. I break up posts based on what comments I want to address. It makes it easier than just one big paragraph addressing everything.
 
And what exactly did I take out of context? I did not change a single word. I break up posts based on what comments I want to address. It makes it easier than just one big paragraph addressing everything.

It is just a personal preference of mine and it is easier to treat all such chopped up posts the same than it is to try to explain it to people who DO destroy context and create straw men and other diversions with that technique. You may not have done that at all, but I find it easier to have a uniform personal policy instead of trying to justify response to one person's post and not another.
 
It is just a personal preference of mine and it is easier to treat all such chopped up posts the same than it is to try to explain it to people who DO destroy context and create straw men and other diversions with that technique. You may not have done that at all, but I find it easier to have a uniform personal policy instead of trying to justify response to one person's post and not another.

I do not understand what is so difficult to address each point individually, but whatever, carry on.
 
Steve Bannon is saying that Donald Trump has only a 30% chance of completing his term.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/donald-trump-is-unraveling-white-house-advisers/amp

And if that is not shocking enough, he has told Trump that it is not impeachment he has to worry about, but removal via the 25th Amendment because he is mentally deranged and voted as such by his own Cabinet.

from the linked article



With each passing day, the idea is being floated more and more that Trump is mentally ill and not fit for office. And Bannon seemed to recognize the possibility months ago.


so, folks are concerned about Trumps behavior now that he is POTUS? I was concerned about his behavior 30 years ago when he was just a spoiled rich asshole. I saw this coming a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago .................. too bad others did not ..............
 
so, folks are concerned about Trumps behavior now that he is POTUS? I was concerned about his behavior 30 years ago when he was just a spoiled rich asshole. I saw this coming a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago .................. too bad others did not ..............
I voted for Hillary. That being said people should have been concerned when Obama focused on transgender bathrooms and Islamophobia when people's real-life concerns including their safety went unadressed.
 
I voted for Hillary. That being said people should have been concerned when Obama focused on transgender bathrooms and Islamophobia when people's real-life concerns including their safety went unadressed.

Obama wasn't running against Trump & I never voted for either of them :cool:
 
I voted for Hillary. That being said people should have been concerned when Obama focused on transgender bathrooms and Islamophobia when people's real-life concerns including their safety went unadressed.

Obama wasn't running against Trump & I never voted for either of them :cool:
Hillary was Obama's 3d term as much as GWHB was supposed to be Reagan's 3d term.
 
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