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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    It took 2 years of investigation to bring to light Nixon's sins that led him to resign. I think that it be a useless endeavor for me to inject any opinions that I have that defines reasons, which I believe will ultimately be the impetus that will encourage Trump to resign prior to the end of his first term. Let's just say that I'm waiting as patiently as I can while keep watch on my speculations that I believe will be his demise.
    Well when you have something and you want to share it. We can talk then. Until that day I will continue to support our president

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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    We'll I wrote that too! By changing the constitution seems like it. And with two parties controlling, we'd have to be some pretty united people to usher in that change. Seems unlikely even in the best of conditions. Republicans can't even pass legislation they ran on for 8 years, when fully in control...I mean, that sort of sets the tone.

    We have two big strikes of divisiveness against us.
    1. Plurality voting (which leads to the two party division)
    2. Dramatic capitalist power over economic means vs labor power over economic means. And aside from that obvious division, also resulted in a progressive tax system (necessarily due to that division), which even furthers that division of class/us against them (look at the 99% vs 1% of recent years).

    Division seems to be built into our system. Not that this is necessarily bad, but it sure is stressful in a way.


    Yes, Duverger's ideas of political systems, are also found all over. It think we even see this in nature where competition is analogous to "voting", and even in physics where we have positive and negative. Yin and yang. True/false and middle excluded. Duality has a gravity well of sorts it seems.... that's just me geeking out in poorly thought-out philosophical land.
    To the bolded: Yes, I'm aware of the obvious technical method for change - via the Constitution! But I was hoping you had some "possibly realistic" method!

    But yes, I agree with everything you wrote above.

    And in support of Duverger's principle in a more general context, I too briefly thought of its broader aspects as I weaved it into my post:

    In marketing, there's an axiom that in every market segment there's room for a #1 and #2. And they can both succeed and profit well (together), both holding strong & stable positions -
    even for the long-term. However in general, the lessor competitors (3 --> n), have no guarantee of success or major market penetration, and often flounder, fail, or remain small players.

    This then leads to where if a market niche is found with only a single player, it's possible your organization can do well by jumping-in, even if it never dethrones the current majority player. But if you jump in, you better make sure you get to a solid #2 before your competitors join the fray, because being #3 or less will be precarious.

    This marketing duopoly theory, seems consistent with Duverger's.
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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    In my opinion, there isn't all that much difference between the two parties. They all seem to be mostly permanent political class, i.e. professional politicians in it to increase their personal influence, prestige, power, and wealth. The only difference is the constituencies they represent.

    The Democrats represent the statists/leftists/political class/progressives i.e. modern day liberals and the Republicans represent the nationalists/libertarian/patriots/modern day conservatives. So they each use rhetoric and make mostly empty promises to please their differing constituencies and throw different kinds of bones while neither do much of importance to make things better and both are much more interested in maintaining a status quo that benefits them personally.
    I agree with you up to here.

    However, there is much to unpack/dispute on the rest...

    So enters a President Trump who is neither partisan nor ideologue or politically correct or permanent political class.
    Narcissists don't usually care much for ideologies. They care for only what benefits them. So while it may seem nice to have a politician that does not seem to care about 'towing partisan lines' (and yes, that aspect is nice), a narcissist is dangerous for a number of other reasons...


    He seems to be in it for the satisfaction of a legacy of actually getting something good done for the country. He is a problem solver and businessman who approaches problems with the intention of solving them, thus he rethinks, changes course, goes from Plan A to Plan B or beyond as becomes necessary to accomplish an objective or goal, and works for real solutions.
    This whole being a businessman as a qualification for public office is VERY overrated. Running a business is not the same thing as running a government. Trump is painfully figuring that out. Businesses/corporations rely more on a strict top-bottom hierarchy where the top dog(s) call the shots. Governments, at least the democratic-republic form of governments, have their hierarchical powers dispersed. No one person or group has the ultimate power. Trump has spent decades calling all the shots and now, as a politician, he is finding he cannot simply do that. As a result, he gets into petty spats with government officials, the media, and celebrities.

    They don't CARE that he is politically incorrect, unorthodox, unconventional, or doesn"t toe the mythical rule book for how a President is supposed to behave and/or conduct himself.
    As a teacher, I would not excuse a student's disgusting, bullying behavior just because that student was getting an 'A' in my class. The fact some of you would look the other way, or even nod in approval, to his behavior tells me his supporters have no spine to defend what is decent.


    And the permanent political class and all those who support it, both Democrats and Republicans et al, hate him with a passion and are doing their damndest to cut the legs out from under him and destroy him. And they don't care how dishonest they have to be in order to do it.
    I find it funny you talk about dishonesty while defending probably the most dishonest president we've ever had in office.
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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    To the bolded: Yes, I'm aware of the obvious technical method for change - via the Constitution! But I was hoping you had some "possibly realistic" method!
    The other thought is that if media/political propaganda can be reigned in, the divisiveness will diminish. It will still swell when it's time to debate some big policy initiative, but in that context partisanship is understood and seems appropriate. But this "two different worlds" stuff that's going on is something else entirely. It's possibly people will get wise to it without other action, if reactions like "cry wolf" will kick in, but it's scary that it's been so long and it hasn't yet.

    But I'll be honest, I thought we were sort of in the "safe zone" on this in recent years. It felt, naively it seems, that our population was to the point where most of the absurd/partisan news stuff was considered "extremism", and just in the news for ratings. And that it would only continue to improve. I assumed most adults didn't *really* buy into the crazy. Not just because it's crazy, and obviously absurd, but because many I thought also had a healthy dose of skepticism for any/all political stuff. Really, when I would watch Fox news, I'd think no one *really* believes this fully, it's just kind of like nude women doing weather reports, you can understand if people think it's fun to watch and you get a little weather news too. Drunk history. Etc. So the extreme right sometimes says crazy stuff for ratings...just like click-bait right? Wrong. They shaped culture and opinion for a generation (!).

    But as it turns out, apparently (I'm an idiot) people really do believe it, and pattern their lives around it. I knew some did, some old southern white men for sure. But I didn't know how bad it was. I was busy during the Obama years, and nothing overly controversial was going on in politics, Obama seemed level-headed, where was the drama? But apparently on Fox, it was doomsday every day. I thought government was meh...largely not doing much except keeping up with foreign affairs, social acceptance, and new technology/changes. But we had Fox and friends pushing that Obama was the anti-christ and liberals were ushering in an era of communistic dictatorship.

    This marketing duopoly theory, seems consistent with Duverger's.
    Interesting!
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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    Fake news!

    TDS!

    Lying liberal media using anonymous sources!

    I hope I didn't miss any of the standard responses.
    Speaking of "standard responses," when did Bannon suddenly become credible?
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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Well when you have something and you want to share it. We can talk then. Until that day I will continue to support our president

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    Supporting Trump is your business.

    I always chime in when I feel like I want to. But you are keenly aware of that. You aren't at all shy about voicing your opinions and beliefs.

    Since I'm here, I'll leave you with this: I believe Trump is toxic to our nation's general welfare. I choose not to subscribe to his self-will-run-riot narcissist, megalomania behaviors that's been chronicled for decades. He's always been a bully, not a leader, and has made his way through life using unscrupulous business practices.

    I realize that you find some redeeming qualities in Trump and I can't change that except to use my ability to vote against him if he survives his first term.

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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Supporting Trump is your business.

    I always chime in when I feel like I want to. But you are keenly aware of that. You aren't at all shy about voicing your opinions and beliefs.

    Since I'm here, I'll leave you with this: I believe Trump is toxic to our nation's general welfare. I choose not to subscribe to his self-will-run-riot narcissist, megalomania behaviors that's been chronicled for decades. He's always been a bully, not a leader, and has made his way through life using unscrupulous business practices.

    I realize that you find some redeeming qualities in Trump and I can't change that except to use my ability to vote against him if he survives his first term.

    As the Roy Rogers theme song says, "Happy Trails to you, until we meet again."
    Always a pleasure disagreeing with you RM.

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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Speaking of "standard responses," when did Bannon suddenly become credible?
    Yes, Where has that "Bannon has only a 0.0003% chance of talking sense" thread gone? I can't find it.

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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Speaking of "standard responses," when did Bannon suddenly become credible?
    I didn't realize Bannon's credibility was being impeached in this thread. I was referring to the news report regarding Bannon's statements.
    Asked who he talks with “consistently” about foreign affairs, Mr. Trump responded, “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things.”

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    Re: Bannon: Trump has only 30% chance of finishing term

    Quote Originally Posted by lurchadams View Post
    I didn't realize Bannon's credibility was being impeached in this thread. I was referring to the news report regarding Bannon's statements.
    No, Bannon's credibility appears to be taken as golden in this thread, you're right. Interesting, that.
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