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Trump calls the Estate Tax a "Death Tax"

akyron said:
The amount is irrelevant. It is not yours to take or tax. This tax is just more progressive bs designed to justify robbery.

The greedy part is right but look no further than a mirror for that target.
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The constitution grants Congress the right to lay and collect taxes. That gives the nation the right to tax estates.
 
akyron said:
If you can point out all the poor people giving out good jobs a line would form fast.
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Just because Roman Emporors were providing jobs of Christians being fed to the lions doesn’t make those people heroes.
 
Rich123 said:
Back to the old play book . Now Trump is using that extreme language. Why? Well the repeal of the Estate tax alone will save Trump's family around 1.2 Billion dollars when his estate is transferred upon his death, the New York Times reported today. That was based on Trump's three pages of his 2005 tax return that was leaked anonymously some time ago . The Times has concluded that the Tax plan could save Trump Ten's of Millions of dollars in one year alone. But there was Trump telling everyone that this doesn't help him, it's just the right thing to do for Americans. Isn't that Quaint?;););)
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There is absolutely no doubt the estate tax is a death tax. It is a tax on after-tax dollars. It causes large farmers to lose their farms as they must sell to the big growers to pay tax on the value of land they would probably never sell. It forces developers to sell their properties to pay the taxes. Businesses and farms that have been in families for generations get sold to pay estate taxes. I think it's fair to call the estate tax confiscatory.

Today, $5.49 million is exempt from Federal Estate Tax. The rest is subject to taxation. And the rest that IS taxed is after-tax money. Let's see what they negotiate. I don't see it going away.

I seriously question the New York Times. An income tax return is not going to show that kind of information, in my opinion. And I am positive DT and others with his kind of wealth have trust and other vehicles to shelter much of their estate from the taxman. Even if it's a humungous life insurance policy.
 
MTAtech said:
I hear you, theft, tyranny! This can't be argued on rational grounds but considering the moral battles worthy of fighting, defending the rich's right to keep more of the money should be low on everyone's list.
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its wrong for the government to use envy as an excuse to take property it has already heavily taxed. pure and simple.
 
MTAtech said:
The constitution grants Congress the right to lay and collect taxes. That gives the nation the right to tax estates.
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that's about as lame an argument as I have ever seen. Congress can draft people and send them to die in unjust wars too.
 
Praxas said:
What you call theft we call theft of institution here. You’re just pissed because those that game the system have to pay for the services they gamed on to get their wealth. Oh wait if I remember right you’re a lawyer (many lawyers themselves game the system to advance their financial gain) so it’s no wonder you want to keep getting more and more wealth. Of course people realize that lawyers are the bottom of the moral food chain.

Hence why the old joke of “what do you call lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? .....a good start”
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lots of lawyers love the death tax. they make money off of it. Lawyers are like congress =everybody hates lawyers and congress but they love their own congressman and their own lawyer
 
Rich123 said:
Back to the old play book . Now Trump is using that extreme language. Why? Well the repeal of the Estate tax alone will save Trump's family around 1.2 Billion dollars when his estate is transferred upon his death, the New York Times reported today. That was based on Trump's three pages of his 2005 tax return that was leaked anonymously some time ago . The Times has concluded that the Tax plan could save Trump Ten's of Millions of dollars in one year alone. But there was Trump telling everyone that this doesn't help him, it's just the right thing to do for Americans. Isn't that Quaint?;););)
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The nomenclature works. :shrug: Rich person dies and because that person dies the material wealth that the person had is being taxed as its transferred to whoever that person willed it to.

I wonder, what would a lot of people think if this death tax was applied to everyone equally regardless of the amount that their estate is worth. I'd bet that all of those in this thread would be agreeing that it IS a death tax and that it should be gotten rid of because by god they earned that money and have a right to will it to whoever they wish.

I also note that a lot of the people defending the death tax in this thread have made off hand comments about rich people and greed. That shows to me that TD is correct in that envy is at least one reason that they are supporting this death tax.
 
TurtleDude said:
lots of lawyers love the death tax. they make money off of it. Lawyers are like congress =everybody hates lawyers and congress but they love their own congressman and their own lawyer
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And your idiotic comments don’t refute anything I’ve said. Do you just like to post to see the nothing you post?

Lawyers are the scum suckers of society.
 
Praxas said:
Just because Roman Emporors were providing jobs of Christians being fed to the lions doesn’t make those people heroes.
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Even you should realize the fallacy with that ridiculous and inapplicable argument.
 
Praxas said:
And your idiotic comments don’t refute anything I’ve said. Do you just like to post to see the nothing you post?

Lawyers are the scum suckers of society.
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many are, no argument there. but the ABA is one of the Democrat party's biggest supporters. btw what do you do for a living? I worked for the federal government most of my career. Doesn't that make me eligible for sainthood with you big government fan boys?
 
What about the loss of income when a spouse dies and the survivor's SS check ends? They worked hard for it and it's forfeited. That lost income puts too many seniors into poverty. For those dependent ( and those who aren't) on SS that's more of a death tax, imo.
 
TurtleDude said:
many are, no argument there. but the ABA is one of the Democrat party's biggest supporters. btw what do you do for a living? I worked for the federal government most of my career. Doesn't that make me eligible for sainthood with you big government fan boys?
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As a self proclaimed Lawyer you just admitted to being part of a job profession that is a parasite on society.
 
Redress said:
There is no tax on dying. When you have to spin the very name, your argument is probably lame.
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So what is it then?? It only gets levied when someone dies, so how you can you call it anything but a tax on dieing. The sad thing is that it's a tax paid by the people who just lost a loved one. I know that you're a standard TDS style liberal, who will oppose anything the President or pretty much any conservative proposes, so please feel free to offer up a nice standard knee jerk response.
 
MTAtech said:
The constitution grants Congress the right to lay and collect taxes. That gives the nation the right to tax estates.
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To the point of being counterproductive it seems.
 
Kobie said:
Stopped reading there. That is basically your only argument. It's a terrible one.
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envy is what motivates the death tax. if it sunsets it doesn't harm you or anyone else who doesn't pay it. you all want it to remain because you are upset someone has more than you do
 
faithful_servant said:
So what is it then?? It only gets levied when someone dies, so how you can you call it anything but a tax on dieing. The sad thing is that it's a tax paid by the people who just lost a loved one. I know that you're a standard TDS style liberal, who will oppose anything the President or pretty much any conservative proposes, so please feel free to offer up a nice standard knee jerk response.
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Well, you might look at the ****ing name for a clue. It is a tax on estates. It is a tax that is so designed, that almost no one who dies pays it.
 
TurtleDude said:
envy is what motivates the death tax. if it sunsets it doesn't harm you or anyone else who doesn't pay it. you all want it to remain because you are upset someone has more than you do
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No, not really. And the motive for it does not speak to whether it is a good idea. Why do you have to do everything in your power to avoid talking about the actual tax? Spin the name, blame it on impure motives, and generally avoid actually talking about what it actually is, what it does, and what it does not do. Are you that afraid of fact based discussion?
 
Redress said:
No, not really. And the motive for it does not speak to whether it is a good idea. Why do you have to do everything in your power to avoid talking about the actual tax? Spin the name, blame it on impure motives, and generally avoid actually talking about what it actually is, what it does, and what it does not do. Are you that afraid of fact based discussion?
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the actual tax is an abomination for several reasons which i have detailed. there is no rational reason why it should only hit those who already pay the highest amounts of income tax. You aren't harmed if it goes away and if you claim you are, why shouldn't everyone pay it? one person complained that it (in some cases though its not exactly true) that it allows people to avoid unrealized capital gains-why is that wrong at a certain level but not below that? your father leaves you 4.5 million and you don't pay taxes on that but if he left you 6 you should? its envy
 
TurtleDude said:
the actual tax is an abomination for several reasons which i have detailed. there is no rational reason why it should only hit those who already pay the highest amounts of income tax. You aren't harmed if it goes away and if you claim you are, why shouldn't everyone pay it? one person complained that it (in some cases though its not exactly true) that it allows people to avoid unrealized capital gains-why is that wrong at a certain level but not below that? your father leaves you 4.5 million and you don't pay taxes on that but if he left you 6 you should? its envy
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How are you personally harmed if it stays?
 
TurtleDude said:
the actual tax is an abomination for several reasons which i have detailed. there is no rational reason why it should only hit those who already pay the highest amounts of income tax.
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False. First, the person who paid the income tax is dead. They are not being taxed. Secondly, it is very rational to base a tax system on an attempt to least affect the standard of living of people across the spectrum of income. That is exactly how the estate tax is designed. Just because you dislike something does not make it irrational.
You aren't harmed if it goes away and if you claim you are,
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Never claimed otherwise. However, the countries revenue is lowered if it goes away, harming the country.

why shouldn't everyone pay it?
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As explained above, the idea is to least disrupt people's standard of living.

one person complained that it (in some cases though its not exactly true) that it allows people to avoid unrealized capital gains-why is that wrong at a certain level but not below that?
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Why do I care what one person claims?

your father leaves you 4.5 million and you don't pay taxes on that but if he left you 6 you should? its envy
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You are aware that the tax only actually effects the part of the state above 5.49 million(for this year). Every estate gets a 5.49 million dollar exemption. Do you oppose exemptions?
 
Redress said:
False. First, the person who paid the income tax is dead. They are not being taxed. Secondly, it is very rational to base a tax system on an attempt to least affect the standard of living of people across the spectrum of income. That is exactly how the estate tax is designed. Just because you dislike something does not make it irrational.


Never claimed otherwise. However, the countries revenue is lowered if it goes away, harming the country.



As explained above, the idea is to least disrupt people's standard of living.



Why do I care what one person claims?



You are aware that the tax only actually effects the part of the state above 5.49 million(for this year). Every estate gets a 5.49 million dollar exemption. Do you oppose exemptions?
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so you think that the wishes of the person who paid taxes for decades and earned the money has no right to determine where it goes.

I oppose any income tax and I oppose the death tax

you ought to know that by now
 
Praxas said:
How are you personally harmed if it stays?
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every generation of my family has been hit by the death tax since that abomination started
 
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