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Why Do Liberals Incarcerate Million of Americans?

TurtleDude said:
well why did LBJ and his huge majority on congress keep drugs illegal

I grew up in the 60s,LBJ was president until I was 10 or so and drugs were federally banned when I was that age
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LBJ has been dead for 50 years. I am 41. I don't know any liberals my age, around my age, or younger that are in favor of the drug war. The drug war is only supported by social conservatives.
 
James972 said:
Liberals are soft on crime, and...... soft on absolutely everything. In the 18th Century you got hung for stealing a horse and a month in prison for kissing your wife in public on Sunday, and, surprise, Americans were not criminals.

Today we have 5% of the world's population and 25% of the entire world's prisoners. Why? Because liberal's have been soft on crime and even softer on individual responsibility arguing, in typical Marxist fashion, that society is responsible for their crimes.
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Wait...a lot of people are in prison because liberals are soft on crime? I'd hate to see what happens with the Republicans in charge. Or maybe not, apparently no one will be in prison because there will be no crime!
 
rocket88 said:
Wait...a lot of people are in prison because liberals are soft on crime?
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yes, liberals are soft on crime thus encouraging more crime and creating more prisoners. Do you follow now?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The drug war is only supported by social conservatives.
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you mean people who think a stoned population is a bad idea while the Chinese are working 80 hour weeks and growing at 7% a year?
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't agree. gun issues are far more partisan. Almost every anti gun poster and politician in the USA is a liberal. There are many many right wingers-usually those who are libertarian or agnostic on social issues who are against the war on drugs. Lots of black politicians who are democrats are vehement in their hatred of drugs. I can tell you that the judges most likely to really hammer black drug dealers-at least in the courts I tried cases in, were black judges.
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This makes no sense to me. The number of Americans who want guns banned is way down from, say, the early 90s. Yet we're far more partisan now.

In my opinion, older, rural white Americans have become angry and hyper partisan in response to the years Democrats controlled congress and/or the White House. They feel marginalized because Americans are becoming less religious and there is more diversity in our population. Their turn to the hard right has made a lot of liberals turn further to the left. There's no one issue that explains the divide between Americans. Those who see gun laws as the primary factor probably are or are close to one issue voters or guns play an unusually large role in their life (unusual being subjective, but I think you'd agree that, for instance, guns play a huge role in your life in comparison to the vast majority of Americans)
 
Mustachio said:
This makes no sense to me. The number of Americans who want guns banned is way down from, say, the early 90s. Yet we're far more partisan now.

In my opinion, older, rural white Americans have become angry and hyper partisan in response to the years Democrats controlled congress and/or the White House. They feel marginalized because Americans are becoming less religious and there is more diversity in our population. Their turn to the hard right has made a lot of liberals turn further to the left. There's no one issue that explains the divide between Americans. Those who see gun laws as the primary factor probably are or are close to one issue voters or guns play an unusually large role in their life (unusual being subjective, but I think you'd agree that, for instance, guns play a huge role in your life in comparison to the vast majority of Americans)
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I don't agree with all of this but it was a well argued and respectful post
 
Mustachio said:
This makes no sense to me. The number of Americans who want guns banned is way down from, say, the early 90s. Yet we're far more partisan now.

In my opinion, older, rural white Americans have become angry and hyper partisan in response to the years Democrats controlled congress and/or the White House. They feel marginalized because Americans are becoming less religious and there is more diversity in our population. Their turn to the hard right has made a lot of liberals turn further to the left. There's no one issue that explains the divide between Americans. Those who see gun laws as the primary factor probably are or are close to one issue voters or guns play an unusually large role in their life (unusual being subjective, but I think you'd agree that, for instance, guns play a huge role in your life in comparison to the vast majority of Americans)
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1) liberal policies drove crime way up so people want guns now
2) the bigger liberal govt grows the more people appreciate why our conservative Founders gave us guns ie to protect ourselves from liberal govt.
 
James972 said:
Liberals are soft on crime, and...... soft on absolutely everything. In the 18th Century you got hung for stealing a horse and a month in prison for kissing your wife in public on Sunday, and, surprise, Americans were not criminals.

Today we have 5% of the world's population and 25% of the entire world's prisoners. Why? Because liberal's have been soft on crime and even softer on individual responsibility arguing, in typical Marxist fashion, that society is responsible for their crimes.
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Well, (cough)... if "liberals" are soft on crime, why are all those people in jail?
 
James972 said:
yes, liberals are soft on crime thus encouraging more crime and creating more prisoners. Do you follow now?
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So if the laws are in place, how should liberals be tougher on crime? Short of authoritarianism.
 
rocket88 said:
So if the laws are in place, how should liberals be tougher on crime? Short of authoritarianism.
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did you read op? you got hung for stealing a horse and 30 days for kissing your wife
 
rocket88 said:
The idea is that good conservatives should use their guns to kill liberals off.
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that is actually what the Revolution and Constitution were all about. Founders were against big liberal govt because it had been source of evil in human history. They knew that without seeing the great 20th Century liberals, Hitler Stalin and Mao. Do you understand?
 
Mustachio said:
2. I don't even know what that means
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2) the bigger liberal govt grows the more people appreciate why our conservative Founders gave us guns ie to protect ourselves from liberal govt.


the Constitution and our guns protects us from big govt, the ultimate evil. As liberal govt grows the more conservative wants guns to protect themselves against the ever more threatening liberal govt. Do you understand now?
 
James972 said:
liberalism got big in 1960's. Since then crime is up 5 times what it was. Back then even in a ghetto you could go to sleep with your doors unlocked. The transformation to liberal America has been stunning!
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So why did crime go down by 50% under Clinton and Obama?
 
James972 said:
that is actually what the Revolution and Constitution were all about. Founders were against big liberal govt because it had been source of evil in human history. They knew that without seeing the great 20th Century liberals, Hitler Stalin and Mao. Do you understand?
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Hitler was one of you guys. Not a liberal. Remember what he did to homosexuals?

I know in the noise machine anything you don't like is liberal.. But it's just not so.

Founding Fathers believed in things like free speech and free religion, which were very liberal ideas for their day.
 
James972 said:
did you read op? you got hung for stealing a horse and 30 days for kissing your wife
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So we should have those laws? Not sure how that means liberals are soft on crime.
 
Praxas said:
Since many are incarcerated due to conservative draconian laws it is you conservatives that are the fascist ones on being against what one does to their own bodies.
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You didn't scream in a hissy about Trump. Is everything OK?
 
James972 said:
because we are soft on crime and soft on individual responsibility as OP says
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We have the worlds largest prison population because we are soft on crime?

Can anybody make sense of this?
 
Bodhisattva said:
We have the worlds largest prison population because we are soft on crime?

Can anybody make sense of this?
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sure, if punishment is too soft it encourages crime. Got it now?
 
rocket88 said:
So we should have those laws? Not sure how that means liberals are soft on crime.
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yes those laws their religious/political values and we would have same crime rate, almost none.
 
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