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What Senator in what hospital killed health care vote?

Mycroft said:
McCain ran and got elected to his seat on a lie, so no...he's not representing his constituents.

But yeah, since he's no longer worried about reelection, he doesn't give a rat's ass.
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Haven't seen polling on the latest healthcare bill, but a whopping SIX (6) percent of people in Arizona, his constituents, favored the "skinny repeal" which was the last one. This time nationwide, the bill that hasn't been scored and so no one knows the effects, a whopping 20 percent approve.

So there's a difference between representing the right wing of the GOP and "his constituents." After his first vote against repeal, he had a 58% approval rating in Arizona, where his constituents live. Estimates had the state of Arizona losing over a $billion per year in funding for Medicaid, and they're an expansion state. So, yeah, there's a good possibility he IS representing his constituents. That you don't like what that means is not his problem.

Poll after 'Obamacare' vote: McCain is more popular with Dems than GOP
 
I don't get why he's playing small ball here. If you're going to blatantly lie, go for the gold: just say Obamacare has been repealed. Plenty of those fools will believe it and the ACA will get even more popular. Everybody wins!
 
JasperL said:
Haven't seen polling on the latest healthcare bill, but a whopping SIX (6) percent of people in Arizona, his constituents, favored the "skinny repeal" which was the last one. This time nationwide, the bill that hasn't been scored and so no one knows the effects, a whopping 20 percent approve.

So there's a difference between representing the right wing of the GOP and "his constituents." After his first vote against repeal, he had a 58% approval rating in Arizona, where his constituents live. Estimates had the state of Arizona losing over a $billion per year in funding for Medicaid, and they're an expansion state. So, yeah, there's a good possibility he IS representing his constituents. That you don't like what that means is not his problem.

Poll after 'Obamacare' vote: McCain is more popular with Dems than GOP
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From your article:

Sen. John McCain is now significantly more popular with Democrats than voters in his own party.

The Arizona Republican has a favorability rating of 71 percent with Democrats, according to a Gallup poll out Monday. That number is 20 points higher than the favorability rating he has with Republicans, who give him a 51 percent approval rating.

With all voters, McCain’s favorability is 58 percent. That number has jumped 5 points since Gallup polled in August 2015. The higher approval rating is due to a massive increase in support from Democrats — 22 points — since the 2015 poll.

However, McCain’s standing with Republicans has dropped 10 points in that same period. McCain got a 4-point bump with independents, but the poll's margin of error is 4 points, leaving that approval rating virtually unchanged.
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The Democrats in Arizona didn't elect McCain. The Republicans did. THAT'S who he lied to and they don't seem to be happy about it.
 
JasperL said:
Haven't seen polling on the latest healthcare bill, but a whopping SIX (6) percent of people in Arizona, his constituents, favored the "skinny repeal" which was the last one. This time nationwide, the bill that hasn't been scored and so no one knows the effects, a whopping 20 percent approve.

So there's a difference between representing the right wing of the GOP and "his constituents." After his first vote against repeal, he had a 58% approval rating in Arizona, where his constituents live. Estimates had the state of Arizona losing over a $billion per year in funding for Medicaid, and they're an expansion state. So, yeah, there's a good possibility he IS representing his constituents. That you don't like what that means is not his problem.

Poll after 'Obamacare' vote: McCain is more popular with Dems than GOP
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The point of the article is that many DEMOCRATS now approve of McCain who really should be a Democrat. It also states that his approval rate has dropped 10 points with Republicans. Just keeping it real here.
 
Mycroft said:
From your article:

The Democrats in Arizona didn't elect McCain. The Republicans did. THAT'S who he lied to and they don't seem to be happy about it.
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No, the population of AZ elected him - Republicans AND Democrats - and his duty is to the people of AZ collectively not just to far right wing Republicans. And with all voters, as you quote, he has an approval rating of 58%.

And of course you ignored that the first POS bill the GOP ran up was supported by only SIX percent of AZ, and majorities across the board opposed it. The latest bill was likely little different in its effects than that earlier effort. So a Senator representing the will of the people votes HELL NO on a piece of crap like that, and the new version is no different.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The point of the article is that many DEMOCRATS now approve of McCain who really should be a Democrat. It also states that his approval rate has dropped 10 points with Republicans. Just keeping it real here.
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Give me a break - he's got a lifetime voting record with the majority of GOP of something like 85-90%. The next closest Democrat is around 50%. In right wing land, anyone who doesn't drink the Kool Aide and vote GOP across the board without regard to the merits of a bill is now considered a liberal Democrat.

Let me ask you this - the last bill that he killed at the last second had the approval of 6% of AZ residents. SIX percent. Do you consider it something like a duty as a Republicans for McCain to support something that the VAST majority of his actual constituents opposed, just because McConnell decided to run that crap bill up for a vote because that's all they could come up with? To me, believing he should vote yes is is exactly the kind of distorted priorities that is broken about our system. Seems to me that a bill with that kind of approval rating should get no consideration at all from a Senator - an obvious no. But almost all Republicans did support it because it was best for the party or their own narrow electoral interests - a YES vote means a primary by a hard right winger.
 
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JasperL said:
No, the population of AZ elected him - Republicans AND Democrats - and his duty is to the people of AZ collectively not just to far right wing Republicans. And with all voters, as you quote, he has an approval rating of 58%.

And of course you ignored that the first POS bill the GOP ran up was supported by only SIX percent of AZ, and majorities across the board opposed it. The latest bill was likely little different in its effects than that earlier effort. So a Senator representing the will of the people votes HELL NO on a piece of crap like that, and the new version is no different.
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Seriously?

You think the Democrats in AZ voted for him to be their Senator when he told them he wanted to repeal Obamacare?

LOL!!

For sure, they like him now that he's shown his true colors. They don't care if he lied about it.
 
JasperL said:
Give me a break - he's got a lifetime voting record with the majority of GOP of something like 85-90%. The next closest Democrat is around 50%. In right wing land, anyone who doesn't drink the Kool Aide and vote GOP across the board without regard to the merits of a bill is now considered a liberal Democrat.

Let me ask you this - the last bill that he killed at the last second had the approval of 6% of AZ residents. SIX percent. Do you consider it something like a duty as a Republicans for McCain to support something that the VAST majority of his actual constituents opposed, just because McConnell decided to run that crap bill up for a vote because that's all they could come up with? To me, believing he should vote yes is is exactly the kind of distorted priorities that is broken about our system. Seems to me that a bill with that kind of approval rating should get no consideration at all from a Senator - an obvious no. But almost all Republicans did support it because it was best for the party or their own narrow electoral interests - a YES vote means a primary by a hard right winger.
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None of that changes the information in the linked article.
 
Mycroft said:
Seriously?

You think the Democrats in AZ voted for him to be their Senator when he told them he wanted to repeal Obamacare?

LOL!!

For sure, they like him now that he's shown his true colors. They don't care if he lied about it.
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You seem to think that the only thing a Senator should care about is his the hard right (or left) wing base that is most responsible for electing him, and to hell with everyone else. I just don't agree.

And I also don't agree that it's "lying" to vote NO on a bill that is supported by 6% of your constituents, the people. He ran on repeal and replace. He didn't run on being a trained monkey who would vote YES for every POS bill McConnell put to the Senate for a vote, and vote YES just BECAUSE McConnell brought it to the floor.

Furthermore, your principles are pretty selective here. The POTUS ran on universal healthcare and on a pledge not to cut a penny from Medicaid, Medicare or Social Security, but I haven't seen you take Trump to task for lying about THAT. Why is that? There isn't any question the bill up for debate cuts Medicaid and increases the number of uninsureds.
 
AlbqOwl said:
None of that changes the information in the linked article.
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Right, I can read, and I wasn't contesting the article but responding to YOUR post. It's what we do here, I thought.

You said "he really should be a Democrat" although he voted overwhelmingly with his GOP colleagues. And I was asking you if you thought being "republican" means supporting any bill the Republican majority leader puts on the floor even if your constituents give it the approval rating of toxic waste or STDs. Seems like a simple enough question to answer...
 
haymarket said:
Todays Trump lie: a GOP senator in the hospital prevented the successful repeal of Obama care this week. According to the Liar in chief, they had the votes but one of them was in the hospital.

Turns out to be a lie.

Thad Cochran tweets after Trump says he's 'in the hospital' - Business Insider



How in the world does this guy think he is going to get away with outright lies like this that are so easy to expose?

No wonder 56% of Americans think he is unfit for office.
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He has been getting away with it all his life. This morning I heard a BBC report on CBC describing the status of the failures in the relief effort in Puerto Rico, the general who ran Katrina saying this is ten times worse and has one quarter of the personnel. Most people are without power, drinking water is non existent and the "effort" is trying to get the dead out of the way to get to the trapped.

Then they ran Trump saying "he's proud of the "fantastic relief" he's directing.

We have gone beyond the concept of a president lying, we have entered a twilight zone of its own, born out of a child man who simply cannot admit he's ever made a mistake or not been "the greatest"

The fact that 44% think he's fit for office says all that needs be said about the United States.
 
Mycroft said:
Was he in the hospital before he was recuperating at home?

Nobody seems to be mentioning that and, seeing how the Mainstream Media is prone to leave little...important...things like that out when they spin the news, I think that would be a question that needs an answer.
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Never mind the propaganda.

The fact is that Trump and his administration have lied about everything, his supporters regurgitate it like parrots in a cage and none of it, nothing is true.

You can all stop talking, because if Trump is saying it, 90 % is that it's a lie and 99.9% chance it's a total exaggeration.

The fact is he doesn't have the votes.
 
haymarket said:
THERE WAS NO VOTE ON THE DAY HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR TESTING OR TREATMENT OR ANY OTHER REASON. What part of that do you fail to comprehend?

THERE WERE THREE NO VOTES THAT KILLED THE BILL MAKING COCHRANS VOTE IRRELEVANT. What part of that do you fail to

TRUMP SAID THEY HAD THE YES VOTES TO PASS THE BILL. THEY DID NOT. What part of that do you fault comprehend?

TRUMP LIED AND WAS CAUGHT IN THE LIE. What part of that do you fail to comprehend?
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Don't you understand?
It's a white cult
Don himself said he could shoot someone on 5 th ave and his uneducated would still vote for him
 
haymarket said:
How in the world does this guy think he is going to get away with outright lies like this that are so easy to expose?

No wonder 56% of Americans think he is unfit for office.
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It's always been easy for US prezes to lie because US citizens are so damn gullible. It's another American exceptionalism - the best liars in the whole world.
 
JasperL said:
You seem to think that the only thing a Senator should care about is his the hard right (or left) wing base that is most responsible for electing him, and to hell with everyone else. I just don't agree.

And I also don't agree that it's "lying" to vote NO on a bill that is supported by 6% of your constituents, the people. He ran on repeal and replace. He didn't run on being a trained monkey who would vote YES for every POS bill McConnell put to the Senate for a vote, and vote YES just BECAUSE McConnell brought it to the floor.

Furthermore, your principles are pretty selective here. The POTUS ran on universal healthcare and on a pledge not to cut a penny from Medicaid, Medicare or Social Security, but I haven't seen you take Trump to task for lying about THAT. Why is that? There isn't any question the bill up for debate cuts Medicaid and increases the number of uninsureds.
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Nobody is asking McCain to vote for something just because McConnell puts it to the Senate. People are just asking McCain to vote the way he said he would when he was asking for their vote.

Since he didn't...twice...that makes him a liar.
 
Mycroft said:
Nobody is asking McCain to vote for something just because McConnell puts it to the Senate. People are just asking McCain to vote the way he said he would when he was asking for their vote.

Since he didn't...twice...that makes him a liar.
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What people? The health care legislation the GOP has been trying to ram through all year are the most unpopular pieces of legislation I've ever seen. It's a rare poll that finds support for them creeping into the low 20s.

Why would he vote for legislation that's 1) substantively awful, and 2) almost universally reviled by the public?

McCain asked for hearings and a real legislative process so the GOP could develop the plan it's been claiming it would.
 
Mycroft said:
Nobody is asking McCain to vote for something just because McConnell puts it to the Senate. People are just asking McCain to vote the way he said he would when he was asking for their vote.

Since he didn't...twice...that makes him a liar.
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That's exactly what you are doing - calling McCain a liar for not supporting a bill with a 6 (SIX) percent favorability rating in his state because he ran on repeal and replace. Your assertion is if he didn't vote for ANY replace plan run up the flag pole, like a trained dog, he is not only wrong but dishonest and a liar. I don't agree, and it's fine we don't agree on the merits, but in ignoring my reasoning you're just restating your conclusion as your argument.

Furthermore, as I pointed out and you also ignored, Trump is as big a liar or more than McCain, and directly ON THIS ISSUE, but this doesn't appear to bother you. Why is that?

Bottom line is you don't agree with McCain's decision, which is fine, but there is no need to accuse him of being dishonest or a liar for voting in a way you don't prefer. Fact is he IS doing his job by opposing legislation that literally almost no one in AZ wants made into law. This latest version, for example, was projected to cost AZ nearly a $billion/year in Federal funding. It's unreasonable to assert that only a dishonest liar representing the interests of AZ would vote against that bill, especially when the last version, similar to this one, was at 6%. Six.

Edit again to say that his opposition to the bill is also rooted in the indefensible way in which it was brought to a vote. He and the rest of the Senate were being asked to vote on a pig in a poke, but this alleged pig, brought to the floor with no debate, no hearings, no score from CBO, no real idea what in the hell would be the affect on premiums, coverage, healthcare access, those with pre-existing conditions, the poor, etc., this ????????? of a bill, affects 1/6th of our economy. It's irresponsible to vote yes on that bill in those circumstances, but you are asserting that only a dishonest "liar" would vote no. It's amazing to me, actually.
 
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Greenbeard said:
What people? The health care legislation the GOP has been trying to ram through all year are the most unpopular pieces of legislation I've ever seen. It's a rare poll that finds support for them creeping into the low 20s.

Why would he vote for legislation that's 1) substantively awful, and 2) almost universally reviled by the public?

McCain asked for hearings and a real legislative process so the GOP could develop the plan it's been claiming it would.
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Why? Because he told his voters he would...but then turned around and voted no. That makes him a liar.
 
JasperL said:
That's exactly what you are doing - calling McCain a liar for not supporting a bill with a 6 (SIX) percent favorability rating in his state because he ran on repeal and replace. Your assertion is if he didn't vote for ANY replace plan run up the flag pole, like a trained dog, he is not only wrong but dishonest and a liar. I don't agree, and it's fine we don't agree on the merits, but in ignoring my reasoning you're just restating your conclusion as your argument.

Furthermore, as I pointed out and you also ignored, Trump is as big a liar or more than McCain, and directly ON THIS ISSUE, but this doesn't appear to bother you. Why is that?

Bottom line is you don't agree with McCain's decision, which is fine, but there is no need to accuse him of being dishonest or a liar for voting in a way you don't prefer. Fact is he IS doing his job by opposing legislation that literally almost no one in AZ wants made into law. This latest version, for example, was projected to cost AZ nearly a $billion/year in Federal funding. It's unreasonable to assert that only a dishonest liar representing the interests of AZ would vote against that bill, especially when the last version, similar to this one, was at 6%. Six.
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Instead of repeating over and over that unsupported "6%" thing, how about telling us how many Republican voters approve of him lying to them?
 
Mycroft said:
Why? Because he told his voters he would...but then turned around and voted no. That makes him a liar.
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Nobody campaigned on Graham-Cassidy (for good reason!). So there's literally no possibility that any vote cast was contingent on anyone supporting it
 
Greenbeard said:
Nobody campaigned on Graham-Cassidy (for good reason!). So there's literally no possibility that any vote cast was contingent on anyone supporting it
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McCain campaigned on repeal. When it came time to repeal, he voted no.

He lied to his voters.
 
Mycroft said:
Instead of repeating over and over that unsupported "6%" thing, how about telling us how many Republican voters approve of him lying to them?
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Here's the link to the poll: Poll: 6 percent of Arizona voters like Senate's Obamacare replacement

As to the rest, you're asserting your conclusion as argument. I've explained, in detail, in various ways, why I do NOT think voting NO on that bill is a lie. If your only counter argument for that is, "Is TOO lying!!" then we can leave it here because you're not actually making a point I can address.
 
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