56% - Trump UNFIT for office

ataraxia · Oct 9, 2017

Conservative said:
As stated, he took over an economy that was 1.8% GDP, 9.4% U-6 and 19.9 trillion in debt. Can you name for me what Trump's results are today?

Yeah sure. Here is GDP growth from 2008 to present:

Here is US debt:

So what point are you trying to make? I am straining hard to see something different since 2017 in those graphs.

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

ataraxia said:
Yeah sure. Here is GDP growth from 2008 to present:

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Here is US debt:

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So what point are you trying to make? I am straining hard to see something different since 2017 in those graphs.

Get some help reading them as he added 9.3 trillion to the debt and no year with 3% GDP growth

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SMTA · Oct 9, 2017

Conservative said:
My post stands on its own

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It makes no sense.

Glowpun · Oct 9, 2017

Conservative said:
Exactly, we are getting the results we voted for, More Jobs, More in the labor force, less discouraged workers, less part time jobs for economic reasons, GDP growth now over 3% yet the left still focuses on rhetoric and ignores actual results. Rather sad to see so many people here focused on continued hatred for Trump. Wait until the tax policies are implemented and people see more spendable income in their paychecks. Wait until companies bring that overseas cash back into this country and the increase in wages accompanies that return. Wait until the country sees that GDP growth that never existed during the Obama term. I chose wisely and am happy with my choice. Finally a President that does what he says and is focused on the major responsibilities, economy and national security for nothing else matters

Uh, what planet are you living on? I have seen no real legislative accomplishments from Trump.

The GDP growth began with Obama and has been continuing since. Trump has been on an economic coat tail not of his creation.

I do not see corporations bringing back jobs from overseas. Fact: the Carrier jobs Trump boasted having saved have now been sent out of the country. FACT: there has been job growth, but the majority of those jobs are the low paying temp type jobs. That is the reality.

You keep saying wait for this, wait for that...well those are hypothetical and has not happened yet, so you can NOT say they have happened.

My question to you: Please name those accomplishments that Trump has actually realized!

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

SMTA said:
It makes no sense.

Of course it makes no sense because actual data showing results never makes sense to a liberal

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

Glowpun said:
Uh, what planet are you living on? I have seen no real legislative accomplishments from Trump.

The GDP growth began with Obama and has been continuing since. Trump has been on an economic coat tail not of his creation.

I do not see corporations bringing back jobs from overseas. Fact: the Carrier jobs Trump boasted having saved have now been sent out of the country. FACT: there has been job growth, but the majority of those jobs are the low paying temp type jobs. That is the reality.

You keep saying wait for this, wait for that...well those are hypothetical and has not happened yet, so you can NOT say they have happened.

My question to you: Please name those accomplishments that Trump has actually realized!

Legislative accomplishments mean little when attitude, morale and an understanding that private business isn't going to be punished by the class warfare generated by liberals. Of course you only see what you want to see, not the 154 million working Americans, up 2.4 million from last September, the 3.1% GDP growth this year vs. the 2.2% last year, the 700,000 fewer people working part time for economic reasons vs. Obama, and significant improvement in the deficit and the debt

Not sure what planet you live on but try doing some DD getting verifiable official data, you know the data the left tried to spew when they thought it benefited them?

Obama left us with a 1.8% GDP growth which apparently is acceptable to you and it was 1.2% the first quarter of 2017 and is now over 3%. Keep buying the liberal spin and keep losing credibility. Most leftists don't have a lot more to lose

Accomplishments? EO's rolling back Obama's anti business, anti growth policies, dismantling ACA removing the penalties for not registering, eliminating anti growth EPA laws that hurt businesses from expanding. I could go on but this will go right over your head

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

Glowpun said:
Uh, what planet are you living on? I have seen no real legislative accomplishments from Trump.

The GDP growth began with Obama and has been continuing since. Trump has been on an economic coat tail not of his creation.

I do not see corporations bringing back jobs from overseas. Fact: the Carrier jobs Trump boasted having saved have now been sent out of the country. FACT: there has been job growth, but the majority of those jobs are the low paying temp type jobs. That is the reality.

You keep saying wait for this, wait for that...well those are hypothetical and has not happened yet, so you can NOT say they have happened.

My question to you: Please name those accomplishments that Trump has actually realized!

Just one example

EPA moves to repeal Obama?s Clean Power Plan coal regs | Fox News

ataraxia · Oct 9, 2017

Conservative said:
Get some help reading them as he added 9.3 trillion to the debt and no year with 3% GDP growth

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Yeah, sure. That was that bump you see on the graph in 2009. The graphs are not lying. And I am still not seeing how Trump is helping matter any in 2017. It looks like more of the same thing.

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

ataraxia said:
Yeah, sure. That was that bump you see on the graph in 2009. The graphs are not lying. And I am still not seeing how Trump is helping matter any in 2017. It looks like more of the same thing.

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Why are you using 2008 and 2009 numbers as your time frame and not the pre recession numbers which Obama was hired to generate? Please point out the positive numbers on the debt chart above

ataraxia · Oct 9, 2017

Conservative said:
Why are you using 2008 and 2009 numbers as your time frame and not the pre recession numbers which Obama was hired to generate? Please point out the positive numbers on the debt chart above

All I am saying is that there is nothing different from Trump. So any big change you see there exists only in your imagination: seeing things that you wish were true. If you got any graphs to suggest otherwise, please provide them.

ataraxia · Oct 9, 2017

Conservative said:
Why are you using 2008 and 2009 numbers as your time frame and not the pre recession numbers which Obama was hired to generate? Please point out the positive numbers on the debt chart above

I am using graphs starting from 2008 because I thought you were comparing Trump to Obama. We can do longer term graphs if you like. It still looks like Trump isn't doing anything special, other than in your imagination and world of magical wishful thinking. Save it for Disney World.

Here is graphs from the late 1700s projected to 2030:

Still not seeing the magical Trump effect there.

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

ataraxia said:
All I am saying is that there is nothing different from Trump. So any big change you see there exists only in your imagination: seeing things that you wish were true. If you got any graphs to suggest otherwise, please provide them.

There is quite a bit different under Trump in BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and Treasury.org all official data sites for the federal govt. Obama added 9.3 trillion to the debt in 8 years more than Reagan, GHW Bush, GW Bush, and Trump combined

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

ataraxia said:
I am using graphs starting from 2008 because I thought you were comparing Trump to Obama. We can do longer term graphs if you like. It still looks like Trump isn't doing anything special, other than in your imagination and world of magical wishful thinking. Save it for Disney World.

Here is graphs from the late 1700s projected to 2030:

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Still not seeing the magical Trump effect there.

Seems projections trump real data and I gave you links for the real data. Trump has been in office since January and I compared the results this year vs. last year as that the only comparison available at this time but will judge Trump vs. Obama in every metric. So far I am getting exactly who I voted for and it was the Obama results that gave us Trump

Projections????? Wow, take a look at the projections for Obama at the start of his term and tell me they projected the 19.9 trillion debt he left the country and the 1.8% GDP growth? Projections are never right and why is it the left posts projections but then never responds when those projections are proven wrong?

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

ataraxia said:
I am using graphs starting from 2008 because I thought you were comparing Trump to Obama. We can do longer term graphs if you like. It still looks like Trump isn't doing anything special, other than in your imagination and world of magical wishful thinking. Save it for Disney World.

Here is graphs from the late 1700s projected to 2030:

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Still not seeing the magical Trump effect there.

Sorry, posted bls.gov twice, here is the GDP site

https://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=1&isuri=1

ataraxia · Oct 9, 2017

Conservative said:
There is quite a bit different under Trump in BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and Treasury.org all official data sites for the federal govt. Obama added 9.3 trillion to the debt in 8 years more than Reagan, GHW Bush, GW Bush, and Trump combined

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

That was, of course, a one time expenditure to dig us out of the economic mess Bush left us with. After 2009, it was back to same old, same old.

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

ataraxia said:
That was, of course, a one time expenditure to dig us out of the economic mess Bush left us with. After 2009, it was back to same old, same old.

One time expenditures affect the deficit and once gone are gone, Obama's total debt was 9.3 trillion dollars over his 8 years so there appeared to be a lot of one time spending bills that added to that debt.

Obama inherited an 11 trillion dollar debt of which 450 billion was TARP LOANS that were repaid but never reduced the debt thus the actual debt he inherited was 10.6 trillion dollars, it was 19.9 trillion when he left office on January 21, 2009. Seems to be a number the left wants to ignore and avoid, wonder why?

Conservative · Oct 9, 2017

ataraxia said:
That was, of course, a one time expenditure to dig us out of the economic mess Bush left us with. After 2009, it was back to same old, same old.

Here is a little more history for you

October 1, 2016 or the first month of fiscal year 2017 the debt was 19.574 trillion dollars and when he left office it was 19.947 trillion or 374 billion deficit. today that debt is 20.371 trillion or 324 billion deficit for Trump. Trump inherited the Obama budget but is spending the money in that budget and no where does it mandate that all money budgeted has to be spent. So from October 1, 2016 to January 21, 2017(4 months) 374 trillion deficit and from January 21, 2017 to October 6, 2017(8 months) 324 billion deficit.

Geoist · Oct 12, 2017

joG said:
With or without Trump we are headed for large nuclear war with a probability approaching 1.

No other recent president would have engaged in this type of battle of egos with Kim Jong Un the way Trump is.

56% - Trump UNFIT for office

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