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56% - Trump UNFIT for office

Fearandloathing said:
How about for once you prove what you and Baby Huey say is true.

Unimpeachable & independent proof.


Trump and his ilk may as well stop talking all together....so far the closest we've gotten to honesty has been an accident, or what your White House calls leaks.

Like so many nursery rhyme examples you all have laid down too many lies to be believed on ANYThING.

Your word is no good, let's see some independent statistics, because if you guys are claiming job growth anywhere it means maybe some plant in the rust belt has hired back 15 workers.
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Already have but you ignored it, Reagan cut taxes three years in a row and grew almost 17 million jobs, Bush cut taxes and increased jobs 9 million before the housing bubble burst. You seem to have a problem with people keeping more of what they earn and the question is why? Seems personal choice is only an issue for the left when it comes to issues of interest to them like abortion.

Results matter not rhetoric and i suggest you go to BLS.gov and BEA.gov to see actual results.

Here is an example

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2007 to 2017

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 4279 4220 4253 4313 4473 4342 4410 4576 4521 4325 4494 4618
2008 4846 4902 4904 5220 5286 5540 5930 5851 6148 6690 7311 8029
2009 8046 8796 9145 8908 9113 9024 8891 9029 8847 8979 9114 9098
2010 8530 8936 9233 9178 8845 8577 8500 8800 9246 8837 8873 8935
2011 8470 8464 8645 8652 8576 8427 8281 8788 9166 8657 8447 8171
2012 8305 8238 7775 7913 8101 8072 8082 7974 8671 8203 8166 7943
2013 8074 8119 7658 7936 7864 8096 8083 7804 8011 7995 7730 7792
2014 7298 7262 7403 7466 7170 7469 7430 7173 7123 7033 6870 6819
2015 6836 6664 6646 6563 6544 6463 6292 6438 6031 5734 6113 6057
2016 6035 6019 6120 5970 6409 5820 5936 6027 5874 5850 5659 5598
2017 5840 5704 5553 5272 5219 5326 5282
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joG said:
It was obvious before he became President that the likelihood of his being unfit for the job was near certain. What is astounding is the whining goung on about spilled milk.
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I'd say that americans got what they deserved, but the alternative was Hilary and I'd still have to say the same thing there. Be sure to get out and vote to preserve thr status quo.
 
Conservative said:
Already have but you ignored it, Reagan cut taxes three years in a row and grew almost 17 million jobs, Bush cut taxes and increased jobs 9 million before the housing bubble burst. You seem to have a problem with people keeping more of what they earn and the question is why? Seems personal choice is only an issue for the left when it comes to issues of interest to them like abortion.

Results matter not rhetoric and i suggest you go to BLS.gov and BEA.gov to see actual results.

Here is an example
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It's lies.

Look, it's been more than a year that we've been subjected to your bull****. Trump lies 95% of the time and his followers, you find ways tom add to the lie to make it more plausable.

So don't bother OK?

Everything this administration says and does is a lie.

SO, you can stop now, lying to cover lies is very boring
 
Fearandloathing said:
It's lies.

Look, it's been more than a year that we've been subjected to your bull****. Trump lies 95% of the time and his followers, you find ways tom add to the lie to make it more plausable.

So don't bother OK?

Everything this administration says and does is a lie.

SO, you can stop now, lying to cover lies is very boring
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Really, Trump lies? Seems the actual results don't show those lies so who truly is lying?

BEA.gov

Last Revised on: September 28, 2017 - Next Release Date October 27, 2017


Gross domestic product
2015
3.2
2.7
1.6
0.5

2016
0.6
2.2
2.8
1.8

2017
1.2
3.1
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Conservative said:
Already have but you ignored it, Reagan cut taxes three years in a row and grew almost 17 million jobs, Bush cut taxes and increased jobs 9 million before the housing bubble burst. You seem to have a problem with people keeping more of what they earn and the question is why? Seems personal choice is only an issue for the left when it comes to issues of interest to them like abortion.

Results matter not rhetoric and i suggest you go to BLS.gov and BEA.gov to see actual results.

Here is an example
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this is classic
wants us to believe that dubya did a great job economically
ignores that he put us in the worst recession since the great depression
 
justabubba said:
this is classic
wants us to believe that dubya did a great job economically
ignores that he put us in the worst recession since the great depression
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You buy the rhetoric ad ignore the actual results, Bush 4.5 trillion in GDP, and 4.9 trillion added to the debt, Obama 3.5 trillion in GDP and 9.3 trillion added to the debt so tell me again what a great job Obama did
 
washunut said:
What percent of those he say he is unfit could name the V.P. or the two senators from their state. Just saying.
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Not long ago, conservatives would point to polls showing how unpopular Obamacare was, when 1/3 of those question didn't know that the ACA and Obamacare were the same law.
 
Conservative said:
You buy the rhetoric ad ignore the actual results, Bush 4.5 trillion in GDP, and 4.9 trillion added to the debt, Obama 3.5 trillion in GDP and 9.3 trillion added to the debt so tell me again what a great job Obama did
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Bush added 1,737 trillion in real GDP; Obama added 2,243. Source
Year GDP-US
$ billion 2009
2000 12559.7
2001 12682.2
2002 12908.8
2003 13271.1
2004 13773.5
2005 14234.2
2006 14613.8
2007 14873.7
2008 14830.4
2009 14418.7 1736.5
2010 14783.8
2011 15020.6
2012 15354.6
2013 15612.2
2014 15982.3
2015 16397.2
2016 16662.1 2243.4

Then, there is this:

BushvObama_job_0916.jpg
 
Conservative said:
You buy the rhetoric ad ignore the actual results, Bush 4.5 trillion in GDP, and 4.9 trillion added to the debt, Obama 3.5 trillion in GDP and 9.3 trillion added to the debt so tell me again what a great job Obama did
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Obama did one hell of a job turning the nation's economy around after dubya wrecked it
 
MTAtech said:
Bush added 1,737 trillion in real GDP; Obama added 2,243. Source
Year GDP-US
$ billion 2009
2000 12559.7
2001 12682.2
2002 12908.8
2003 13271.1
2004 13773.5
2005 14234.2
2006 14613.8
2007 14873.7
2008 14830.4
2009 14418.7 1736.5
2010 14783.8
2011 15020.6
2012 15354.6
2013 15612.2
2014 15982.3
2015 16397.2
2016 16662.1 2243.4

Then, there is this:

BushvObama_job_0916.jpg
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One more time, GDP growth 10.2 trillion to 14.7 trillion for Bush and that is actual GDP growth not inflation adjusted which is what you leftists always try to pull. We pay taxes and expenses on actual not inflation adjusted

https://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=9&step=1#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=5
 
justabubba said:
Obama did one hell of a job turning the nation's economy around after dubya wrecked it
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Yeah he sure did losing the House in 2010-2012 and the Congress in 2014 and 2016 leaving us with a 1.8% GDP growth and 19.9 trillion dollar debt. Seems just like with most issues the local and state electorate disagrees with you
 
justabubba said:
Obama did one hell of a job turning the nation's economy around after dubya wrecked it
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Not that it makes any difference because you people on the left never read anything that refutes your opinions which just goes to show that you can indeed fool some of the people all of the time. Interesting how you and others continue to ignore election results and continue to try and prop up a truly failed administration. You buy what you are told by the radical left and because you want to believe it you ignore anything that refutes that. Here is another piece of information that goes hand in hand with state, local, and Congressional elections


What Ended the Great Recession?
 
Conservative said:
Not that it makes any difference because you people on the left never read anything that refutes your opinions which just goes to show that you can indeed fool some of the people all of the time. Interesting how you and others continue to ignore election results and continue to try and prop up a truly failed administration. You buy what you are told by the radical left and because you want to believe it you ignore anything that refutes that. Here is another piece of information that goes hand in hand with state, local, and Congressional elections


What Ended the Great Recession?
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hey, it was your guy, the shrub, who wrecked the economy
causing Obama to have to spend his administration cleaning up behind him
seems you are the one in denial about that fact
 
Conservative said:
Exactly, we are getting the results we voted for, More Jobs, More in the labor force, less discouraged workers, less part time jobs for economic reasons, GDP growth now over 3% yet the left still focuses on rhetoric and ignores actual results. Rather sad to see so many people here focused on continued hatred for Trump. Wait until the tax policies are implemented and people see more spendable income in their paychecks. Wait until companies bring that overseas cash back into this country and the increase in wages accompanies that return. Wait until the country sees that GDP growth that never existed during the Obama term. I chose wisely and am happy with my choice. Finally a President that does what he says and is focused on the major responsibilities, economy and national security for nothing else matters
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You must be listening to too much FOX News. Job growth isn't that good under Trump. Projected through the end of the year, Obama did much better the last 3 years.
How strong has job growth been on Donald Trump's watch? | PolitiFact
 
justabubba said:
hey, it was your guy, the shrub, who wrecked the economy
causing Obama to have to spend his administration cleaning up behind him
seems you are the one in denial about that fact
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That's what the left keeps telling us even when the facts don't prove that. Interesting how you didn't bother to read the article or understand that the recession ended long before Obama spent a dime of the stimulus. Facts always get in the way of your partisan leftwing rhetoric
 
Media_Truth said:
You must be listening to too much FOX News. Job growth isn't that good under Trump. Projected through the end of the year, Obama did much better the last 3 years.
How strong has job growth been on Donald Trump's watch? | PolitiFact
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Apparently actual results still don't resonate as rhetoric trumps reality

Looks to me like every measure is better than Obama's, BLS.gov. Employment, discouraged workers, part time for economic reasons. Suggest you learn how to do research. Here is an example

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2007 to 2017

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 4279 4220 4253 4313 4473 4342 4410 4576 4521 4325 4494 4618
2008 4846 4902 4904 5220 5286 5540 5930 5851 6148 6690 7311 8029
2009 8046 8796 9145 8908 9113 9024 8891 9029 8847 8979 9114 9098
2010 8530 8936 9233 9178 8845 8577 8500 8800 9246 8837 8873 8935
2011 8470 8464 8645 8652 8576 8427 8281 8788 9166 8657 8447 8171
2012 8305 8238 7775 7913 8101 8072 8082 7974 8671 8203 8166 7943
2013 8074 8119 7658 7936 7864 8096 8083 7804 8011 7995 7730 7792
2014 7298 7262 7403 7466 7170 7469 7430 7173 7123 7033 6870 6819
2015 6836 6664 6646 6563 6544 6463 6292 6438 6031 5734 6113 6057
2016 6035 6019 6120 5970 6409 5820 5936 6027 5874 5850 5659 5598
2017 5840 5704 5553 5272 5219 5326 5282 5255
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Let's see if you are mature enough to admit that you are wrong? Want me to post employment, discouraged workers, labor force?
 
Conservative said:
Apparently actual results still don't resonate as rhetoric trumps reality

Looks to me like every measure is better than Obama's, BLS.gov. Employment, discouraged workers, part time for economic reasons. Suggest you learn how to do research. Here is an example



Let's see if you are mature enough to admit that you are wrong? Want me to post employment, discouraged workers, labor force?
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You're delusional. Didn't like that link. Here's another.

Trump touts 'great jobs numbers' that aren't actually so great - LA Times

So far, 2017 is on track to produce the fewest net new jobs in seven years.
 
Media_Truth said:
You're delusional. Didn't like that link. Here's another.

Trump touts 'great jobs numbers' that aren't actually so great - LA Times

So far, 2017 is on track to produce the fewest net new jobs in seven years.
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LOL, have you told that to BLS??

Keep buying the leftwing rhetoric ignoring the actual results. No wonder you people never win state and local elections

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2007 to 2017

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143225 143315 143319 143603 143856 144006 144318 144304 144466 143577 144536 144741
2014 145055 145102 145715 145673 145819 146222 146461 146501 146845 147426 147361 147521
2015 148061 148108 148244 148522 148792 148742 148890 149092 148932 149255 149419 150030
2016 150533 151043 151301 151028 151058 151090 151546 151655 151926 151902 152048 152111
2017 152081 152528 153000 153156 152923 153168 153513 153439
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haymarket said:
Devastating news for Trump and his supporters.

Poll: Trump unfit to be president, majority says - Business Insider




56% of Americans say that Trump is unfit for the office he holds. This goes far beyond not merely approving of him or not liking him or not supporting him or not being in favor of a policy initiative he may have. A clear majority of Americans feel Trump is UNFIT for the office of he presidency.

I know of no such similar finding in my lifetime for any other holder of the Oval Office and I go back to 1949.

Polls show that despite the three or four point bump of two weeks ago for working with Democrats in Congress, Trump has retreated to the mid to high thirties in approval ratings - again.
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Again, these are bogus figures because 100% of the left is in full resistance mode, skewing the poll.
 
haymarket said:
I would agree with that. Trump is so irresponsible and so incompetent and so outright ignorant of basic facts about policy and issues that people are noticing .... and they do not like it.

Its one thing for a majority to say they do not support a president. Its a far more serious indictment for a majority to say he is unfit for office.
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As I said, it doesn't count when the left is at 100% resistance (actually I read somewhere that it is 96%). I think that is actually a great sign that the left is so obsessed with being against what the country wants. They truly don't understand their heavy losses over the last six straight years.
 
Media_Truth said:
I believe what makes him most unfit for office, is his divisiveness. He has done nothing to unite the country. Instead, his tweets and off-the-cuff remarks are dividing the country more than ever. He is even divisive with his own Party's leaders in the House and the Senate. He's already fired so many on his staff, or they've resigned, because they can't associate with him. The "Great Divider" will wear heavily on people, more and more, as time goes on.
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With the resistance at 100%, it is the left who is being divisive. It is the left who call the right names such as racists and bigots. It is Hillary who called Trump supporters deplorables.
 
justabubba said:
hey, it was your guy, the shrub, who wrecked the economy
causing Obama to have to spend his administration cleaning up behind him
seems you are the one in denial about that fact
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GWB didn't have much to do with the mortgage crisis. Yes, Obama did have a mess to clean up but the mess was the fault of both parties.
 
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