Ben Shapiro Berkeley Speech In Full

Absentglare said:

He rambles incoherently about liberals and SJWs. Reminds me a little of your post here, actually.

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You need to look up what incoherent means and its appropriate uses. Disagreeing with someone does not render them incoherent.

Your reply is actually incoherent because it criticizes in an unclear way. Maybe next time you'll want to point out what you disagree with and form a real rebuttal.

I won't hold my breath though. Doing that requires one to forego their own laziness which in your case is abundant.

Northern Light said:

You need to look up what incoherent means and its appropriate uses. Disagreeing with someone does not render them incoherent.

Your reply is actually incoherent because it criticizes in an unclear way. Maybe next time you'll want to point out what you disagree with and form a real rebuttal.

I won't hold my breath though. Doing that requires one to forego their own laziness which in your case is abundant.

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It was just a stream-of-consciousness format. You recognized that he's a liar (like on trans statistics) but you like him anyway as he attacks SJWs. It's a pattern of appeal we've seen all too often, relying on lies and anti-liberal prejudice, strawmen like that Shapiro is opposed simply for having an opposing viewpoint, perhaps the most egregious lie he's told.

As you said, you find it entertaining. Maybe you should consider whether basing an ideology purely on spite, rather than having actual merits, might play a role in how that ideology is received. Maybe.

Absentglare said:

It was just a stream-of-consciousness format. You recognized that he's a liar (like on trans statistics) but you like him anyway as he attacks SJWs. It's a pattern of appeal we've seen all too often, relying on lies and anti-liberal prejudice, strawmen like that Shapiro is opposed simply for having an opposing viewpoint, perhaps the most egregious lie he's told.

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Hold on a second, I never said I liked him because he attacks SJWs. Like anybody he's a mixed bag. He's going to say things I agree and disagree with. I never said that his trans statistic was a lie, I said I found it suspicious. My main issue with Shapiro is that he peddles the same statistics in every speech, statistics that can easily have counter-statistics -- and that's because statistics in general are not a super reliable way of drawing concrete sociopolitical conclusions. Instead, he relies mostly on debate skill, which he is well equipped with.

I disagree with your last point. People do oppose him simply because he has a right-wing viewpoint. That's what the Berkley protests were all about. They called him a white nationalist, a white supremacist, and a neo-nazi, when there is absolutely no evidence to back that up in anything he has ever said in any of his talks, EVER. Antifa are lying and causing violence over nothing because the left in Berkley are so coddled for being left wing that they have no real exposure to any succinct right-wing talking points. So they become emotionally reactive children. I don't need Ben Shapiro to tell me that, I have a brain and can read the news to draw that conclusion. The leftists at UC Berkley are children, based purely on their actions.

Absentglare said:

As you said, you find it entertaining. Maybe you should consider whether basing an ideology purely on spite, rather than having actual merits, might play a role in how that ideology is received. Maybe.

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Maybe you need to stop making this thread about me and keep talking about Ben Shapiro instead. You're going to gain little ground by trying to make me seem immoral, based on how inaccurate your reading comprehension is.

Northern Light said:

Hold on a second, I never said I liked him because he attacks SJWs. Like anybody he's a mixed bag. He's going to say things I agree and disagree with. I never said that his trans statistic was a lie, I said I found it suspicious. My main issue with Shapiro is that he peddles the same statistics in every speech, statistics that can easily have counter-statistics -- and that's because statistics in general are not a super reliable way of drawing concrete sociopolitical conclusions. Instead, he relies mostly on debate skill, which he is well equipped with.

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I'd love for the right to use more statistics, as long as they're actual statistics rather than agenda-driven fiction. I can respect a different methodology. I cannot respect propaganda.

Northern Light said:

I disagree with your last point. People do oppose him simply because he has a right-wing viewpoint.

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Sure, just like how people "simply" opposed President Obama because he's black, people "simply" opposed Hillary Clinton because she's a woman, and people "simply" opposed Al Gore because he has a left-wing viewpoint.

Or you could let them explain their reasoning, rather than speculating.

Northern Light said:

That's what the Berkley protests were all about. They called him a white nationalist, a white supremacist, and a neo-nazi, when there is absolutely no evidence to back that up in anything he has ever said in any of his talks, EVER.

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He titled his speech "When Diversity Becomes a Problem". He attacked diversity.

Of course, if you listen to the speech, he doesn't actually attack diversity. That's what you'll point out, right? He didn't actually attack minorities.

Irrelevant. He chose his words intentionally, to intentionally provoke a reaction. He's just another right wing attention whore like Milo, though he tries harder to masquerade as an honest person.

Northern Light said:

Antifa are lying and causing violence over nothing because the left in Berkley are so coddled for being left wing that they have no real exposure to any succinct right-wing talking points. So they become emotionally reactive children. I don't need Ben Shapiro to tell me that, I have a brain and can read the news to draw that conclusion. The leftists at UCLA are children, based purely on their actions.

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That doesn't make any sense. It just smells like you're upset that the right wing "ideology" of propaganda, lies, gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, scapegoating minorities, identity politics, and social regression simply doesn't appeal to the youth, so you're eager to get in their faces. Why not just leave them alone to be different? Why get all triggered and march into the lion's den? It just doesn't make any sense.

Northern Light said:

Maybe you need to stop making this thread about me and keep talking about Ben Shapiro instead. You're going to gain little ground by trying to make me seem immoral, based on how inaccurate your reading comprehension is.

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I simply felt the same smug, matter-of-fact, deriving-joy-from-spite style.

Absentglare said:

I'd love for the right to use more statistics, as long as they're actual statistics rather than agenda-driven fiction. I can respect a different methodology. I cannot respect propaganda.



Sure, just like how people "simply" opposed President Obama because he's black, people "simply" opposed Hillary Clinton because she's a woman, and people "simply" opposed Al Gore because he has a left-wing viewpoint.

Or you could let them explain their reasoning, rather than speculating.



He titled his speech "When Diversity Becomes a Problem". He attacked diversity.

Of course, if you listen to the speech, he doesn't actually attack diversity. That's what you'll point out, right? He didn't actually attack minorities.

Irrelevant. He chose his words intentionally, to intentionally provoke a reaction. He's just another right wing attention whore like Milo, though he tries harder to masquerade as an honest person.



That doesn't make any sense. It just smells like you're upset that the right wing "ideology" of propaganda, lies, gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, scapegoating minorities, identity politics, and social regression simply doesn't appeal to the youth, so you're eager to get in their faces. Why not just leave them alone to be different? Why get all triggered and march into the lion's den? It just doesn't make any sense.



I simply felt the same smug, matter-of-fact, deriving-joy-from-spite style.

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You keep making this about me and in a really presumptuous way. Not one thing you've said is accurate of my politics, nor is it reflected in anything I actually stated in this thread.

We're done here. :2wave: Someone else can deal with you.

Northern Light said:

You keep making this about me and in a really presumptuous way. Not one thing you've said is accurate of my politics, nor is it reflected in anything I actually stated in this thread.

We're done here. :2wave: Someone else can deal with you.

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Specifically i was attacking your view of Shapiro, the reasoning of which i considered flawed.

It makes little sense for Shapiro to give a speech where he is so unwanted and despised. That is, unless his goal is to troll.

Absentglare said:

Specifically i was attacking your view of Shapiro, the reasoning of which i considered flawed.

It makes little sense for Shapiro to give a speech where he is so unwanted and despised. That is, unless his goal is to troll.

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What nonsense. What part of "he was invited" to speak there do I need to clarify? He also spoke there last year after being invited no problem. So the whole unwanted and despised thing is nothing but snowflake bull. Just like the same people calling him a white supremacist and Nazi.

Absentglare said:

Specifically i was attacking your view of Shapiro, the reasoning of which i considered flawed.

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There's nothing flawed about what I said. You need to learn the difference between when you disagree with someone, and when they are being truly non-sensical. It figures that you are the only liberal to enter this thread and accuse me of flawed reasoning, when nobody else here has had a problem comprehending my words.

Absentglare said:

It makes little sense for Shapiro to give a speech where he is so unwanted and despised. That is, unless his goal is to troll.

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It doesn't matter if the whole country hates him. He has a right to speak in a public forum under the First Amendment. He was invited to. He had a packed house. He spoke there one year ago and there was no big deal. Now this year because he gained some popularity, the liberal nutjobs are out in full.

What's obvious to me is that you don't know much about him yet you have an axe to grind, EXACTLY like all the antifa crowd who showed up to protest him and commit acts of violence. On youtube there are dozens of videos of protestors being interviewed, and nobody can form a coherent reason why Ben Shapiro is a bad guy. They keep calling him racist, white nationalist, a nazi, a white supremacist, etc... when there literally isn't one single soundbyte or piece of writing he has done that proves that to be true. None. Zippo.

He's a yamaka-wearing orthodox Jew with right-wing beliefs. Just get over it.

Black Dog said:

What nonsense. What part of "he was invited" to speak there do I need to clarify? He also spoke there last year after being invited no problem. So the whole unwanted and despised thing is nothing but snowflake bull. Just like the same people calling him a white supremacist and Nazi.

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Oh, nobody protested him? Then what are you whining about?

Absentglare said:

Oh, nobody protested him? Then what are you whining about?

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OF course they did, that however is irrelevant. This does not change the FACT he was invited by a group at the college as is there right. If a few butthurtt morons who think a Jewish man is a white supremacist or Nazi don't like it, who cares. Not "whining" about anything. I am educating you on reality.

By the way. please show me where I said Oh, nobody protested him? I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics.

Northern Light said:

There's nothing flawed about what I said. You need to learn the difference between when you disagree with someone, and when they are being truly non-sensical. It figures that you are the only liberal to enter this thread and accuse me of flawed reasoning, when nobody else here has had a problem comprehending my words.

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You are confusing my comment about how your post reminded me of Shapiro, with its haphazard stream-of-consciousness style, with it being non-sensical. I understood your post, i simply disagreed with it. You seem very bothered by that fact, and you seem to be taking it personally, while scolding me for allegedly making this about you. I don't really care too much about that so let's just move on, as your only defense seems to be an appeal to popularity fallacy/appeal to ignorance fallacy anyway.

Northern Light said:

It doesn't matter if the whole country hates him. He has a right to speak in a public forum under the First Amendment.

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Irrelevant.

Northern Light said:

He was invited to. He had a packed house. He spoke there one year ago and there was no big deal. Now this year because he gained some popularity, the liberal nutjobs are out in full.

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I'm sure lots of people who harbor anti-liberal prejudice love his style of troll-based identity politics. Triggered right wingers are struggling against the tide of progress.

Northern Light said:

What's obvious to me is that you don't know much about him yet you have an axe to grind, EXACTLY like all the antifa crowd who showed up to protest him and commit acts of violence.

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Equivocation fallacy. I'm not "EXACTLY" like Antifa, that's ridiculous. I condemn the use of violence. Ideologically, Shapiro is not a threat, he's just an attention whore. That's why he titled his speech in conflict with the content of the speech when he chose the title "When Diversity Becomes a Problem". He's trolling.

I don't hear that argument from Antifa so i don't recognize your claim that i'm "EXACTLY" like them.

Northern Light said:

On youtube there are dozens of videos of protestors being interviewed, and nobody can form a coherent reason why Ben Shapiro is a bad guy. They keep calling him racist, white nationalist, a nazi, a white supremacist, etc... when there literally isn't one single soundbyte or piece of writing he has done that proves that to be true. None. Zippo.

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Cherry picking fallacies are extremely effective. Have you considered whether you are filtering the valid points people raise? I just reiterated one, one you never addressed.

Northern Light said:

He's a yamaka-wearing orthodox Jew with right-wing beliefs. Just get over it.

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I don't care whether he's Jewish. Not sure why you think that matters.